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4/14/2011  6:23 PM
holfresh wrote:
I knew MDA was never about defense...This only confirms all suspicions...For a while he had a few of us, maybe just me, thinking that he may actually think, incorporating defense in this group, might help him win some ball games...So much for that...The idea that the Knicks are somehow MDA's canvas to prove that his "system" works is a little unsettling...What does this means going forward...Is Donnie building the team in MDA's image of what he thinks will win...I have dreams of Donnie maybe coming up with a way of lifting Ibaka from OKC and adding a defensive 1 or 2 to help sure up our weaknesses...Does this mean Bargnani is actually MDA's wet dream or maybe a Channing Frye??..Is he in Donnie's ear trying to add three point shooters and with little thought of help on the defensive end...
I didn't like the hire but was willing to see how the outcome will be after a full season with two top ten talent on his team...I think this playoff should say whether he has a future here or not...
This is pretty unsettling. It seems like whenever Walsh tries to bring in size or youth if they don't fit the D'Antoni mold they are relegated to the bench until Walsh trades them away. I think you are right about finesse bigs being the size that fits for D'Antoni. Hopefully either he changes his ways or the team moves on soon. I don't think there is any chance for success in theplayoffs if he doesn't change. The Knicks have offensive superstars now but they really needed to get guys like LeBron and Wade to overcome D'Antoni's coaching deficits.
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4/14/2011  6:38 PM
This often repeated theme that D'Antoni is ignoring defense is just garbage. Show me how you can prove that he's not focusing on D or else stop saying it. All I see is guys fighting hard on D. You can't ignore the fact that we're small and our PG's are old and slow except for TD. We're going to have issues cuz our two best players are not great on D. How is any coach supposed to completely overcome those weaknesses?

When I watch the games I see the Knicks defend, but often they can't get the rebound to finish off the defensive play. The initial defense is often good. Not being strong on the defensive Boards and giving up 2nd chance points is our biggest issue. Once we can add some real rebounding help and upgrade the PG position this team should be OK.
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4/14/2011  6:52 PM
nixluva wrote:This often repeated theme that D'Antoni is ignoring defense is just garbage. Show me how you can prove that he's not focusing on D or else stop saying it. All I see is guys fighting hard on D. You can't ignore the fact that we're small and our PG's are old and slow except for TD. We're going to have issues cuz our two best players are not great on D. How is any coach supposed to completely overcome those weaknesses?

When I watch the games I see the Knicks defend, but often they can't get the rebound to finish off the defensive play. The initial defense is often good. Not being strong on the defensive Boards and giving up 2nd chance points is our biggest issue. Once we can add some real rebounding help and upgrade the PG position this team should be OK.

Did you hear the interview?
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4/14/2011  7:04 PM
nixluva wrote:This often repeated theme that D'Antoni is ignoring defense is just garbage. Show me how you can prove that he's not focusing on D or else stop saying it. All I see is guys fighting hard on D. You can't ignore the fact that we're small and our PG's are old and slow except for TD. We're going to have issues cuz our two best players are not great on D. How is any coach supposed to completely overcome those weaknesses?

When I watch the games I see the Knicks defend, but often they can't get the rebound to finish off the defensive play. The initial defense is often good. Not being strong on the defensive Boards and giving up 2nd chance points is our biggest issue. Once we can add some real rebounding help and upgrade the PG position this team should be OK.


The Knicks give up 106.9 points a game. The only teams worse than that are the Wolves, Cavs, Raptors and Pistons. I have to give you credit in regards to your defense of D'Antoni. Your description of how you see the Knick defense is exactly what he said in the interview when he attempted to defend it.
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4/14/2011  7:12 PM
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nixluva wrote:This often repeated theme that D'Antoni is ignoring defense is just garbage. Show me how you can prove that he's not focusing on D or else stop saying it. All I see is guys fighting hard on D. You can't ignore the fact that we're small and our PG's are old and slow except for TD. We're going to have issues cuz our two best players are not great on D. How is any coach supposed to completely overcome those weaknesses?

When I watch the games I see the Knicks defend, but often they can't get the rebound to finish off the defensive play. The initial defense is often good. Not being strong on the defensive Boards and giving up 2nd chance points is our biggest issue. Once we can add some real rebounding help and upgrade the PG position this team should be OK.


The Knicks give up 106.9 points a game. The only teams worse than that are the Wolves, Cavs, Raptors and Pistons. I have to give you credit in regards to your defense of D'Antoni. Your description of how you see the Knick defense is exactly what he said in the interview when he attempted to defend it.

The point is that as currently constituted this team is going to have issues defending and rebounding. This team hasn't even reached the levels of his PHX teams in terms of defense, which is not good, but I don't really think it's Mike's fault. I think this team just has a poor make up for being good on D. But they do TRY to defend.

Once we get into the series I think the Knicks will adjust to the competition and give a great effort. We've seen this team play very well against good teams. Before the last 2 games in which we weren't trying I believe we had an 8-4 record against winning teams with this group.
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4/14/2011  7:33 PM
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what I find interesting is it seems the guys who are really pro Melo and loved the trade are the same guys who really dislike MDA. So we traded the roster for a GREAT scorer who's whole game is based around outscoring his opponent, yet the same guys HATE D'Antoni. Kind of hard to get my head around.
At this point I'm all in with this group and that included MDA. The trade is history. This is the Knicks. We got firepower! We got two of the biggest guns in the NBA!

The highest possible pace is EXACTLY what we want. Scoring MORE is exactly what we want. We have Amare and Melo (have I mentioned they are EASILY both top 10 scorers in this league if not top 5?????). Douglas and Billups can both get hot and light it up. Its weak after that but hey... thats what we are right now.

I takes all types to make the world. Live and laugh mon dude.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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4/14/2011  7:36 PM
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Nalod wrote:
Its also like those who love the melo trade and hate moving AR.

I thought if he bought into the system or matured into it he could have been great in a year or so.

He was needed to facilitate the trade.

Great coaches are very stubborn and have a high conviction in what they do.

Lose battles to win the war.

As much change as we have had I don't think it warrants him going.

YOu don't go out and get Melo and Amare then change your posture to ball control and defense.

YOu don't build a sports car then complain it don't drive like a Sedan De Ville!

you don’t bang kim kardashian and then complain that she doesn't discuss world politics with you.

Replace KK with Josie Maran, and I would vote for Post of the Year!

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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4/14/2011  7:40 PM
nixluva wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:The coach is holding the team back from reaching their full potential and you have people here blindly supporting him. It's sad, really. The man has shown nothing here and his philosophy has never been successful yet he is consistently given a free pass.

Did you listen to the interview. His last comments were about playing D and not fouling. I think people get so caught up in the words. Did you even watch how Mike reacted to the great defensive plays by TD and AC. He was animated and slapping five with the players. Trust me he's focused on this team defending, but our STRENGTH is offense. STAT and MELO are great offensive players and that is how we're going to win is by getting them off as much as possible.

As currently built there's no way we can win with just our defense, we have to keep the pace up as much as possible and score. We have to get to the line and keep the pressure on their D. Everyone has to hit the boards too, cuz we have to keep the rebounding close.

Thanks for being the voice that speaks about the rebounding. The flaw with SSOL is that the shot goes up with no one in postion to rebound. Also, with the high number of 3 point shots, long rebounds must be run down.

On the defensive end, effort is also necessary to box out and cut down on the second and third opportunities being allowed by not going to the ball. It is not the other guy's responsibility, it's everyone's.

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4/14/2011  7:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/14/2011  7:46 PM
nixluva wrote:This often repeated theme that D'Antoni is ignoring defense is just garbage. Show me how you can prove that he's not focusing on D or else stop saying it. All I see is guys fighting hard on D. You can't ignore the fact that we're small and our PG's are old and slow except for TD. We're going to have issues cuz our two best players are not great on D. How is any coach supposed to completely overcome those weaknesses?

When I watch the games I see the Knicks defend, but often they can't get the rebound to finish off the defensive play. The initial defense is often good. Not being strong on the defensive Boards and giving up 2nd chance points is our biggest issue. Once we can add some real rebounding help and upgrade the PG position this team should be OK.

Have you followed the team this season? Have you seen the lack of effort on D. The lack of preparation? The career nights players have against us? What would you accept as proof if not these?

WHen we had Felton who is not old and slow we were still atrocious on D. This was for the vast majority of the season? So why did you even bring that up?
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4/14/2011  7:44 PM
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:wow. it's time for another holy revolt reaction from knick fans who live their lives as if they’re in the movie ground hog day - every day they wake up outraged at discovering mike d'antoni's coaching philosophy anew.
its pretty funny.

I would never hire him to coach the teams of the 90s... look what happened with Don Nelson!

That being said he's the right coach for this group. We have scorers. That what the Knicks are. We have two of the best scorers in the league. You want to slow it down? How is that maximizing your talent? Its like having Jerry Rice and Randy Moss and saying "ball control teams who run the ball win titles so thats what we are going to do."

what I find interesting is it seems the guys who are really pro Melo and loved the trade are the same guys who really dislike MDA. So we traded the roster for a GREAT scorer who's whole game is based around outscoring his opponent, yet the same guys HATE D'Antoni. Kind of hard to get my head around.

At this point I'm all in with this group and that included MDA. The trade is history. This is the Knicks. We got firepower! We got two of the biggest guns in the NBA!

The highest possible pace is EXACTLY what we want. Scoring MORE is exactly what we want. We have Amare and Melo (have I mentioned they are EASILY both top 10 scorers in this league if not top 5?????). Douglas and Billups can both get hot and light it up. Its weak after that but hey... thats what we are right now.

So yea.. the #1 key to this team being great is FORCING other teams to match the guns we have.


good post fish, and I would like to add, in the end, it is who scores more... you can hold a team scoreless all you want, but until you score, what's the point..... you have to outscore your opponent.. plain and simple..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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4/14/2011  8:00 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:
nixluva wrote:This often repeated theme that D'Antoni is ignoring defense is just garbage. Show me how you can prove that he's not focusing on D or else stop saying it. All I see is guys fighting hard on D. You can't ignore the fact that we're small and our PG's are old and slow except for TD. We're going to have issues cuz our two best players are not great on D. How is any coach supposed to completely overcome those weaknesses?

When I watch the games I see the Knicks defend, but often they can't get the rebound to finish off the defensive play. The initial defense is often good. Not being strong on the defensive Boards and giving up 2nd chance points is our biggest issue. Once we can add some real rebounding help and upgrade the PG position this team should be OK.

Have you followed the team this season? Have you seen the lack of effort on D. The lack of preparation? The career nights players have against us? What would you accept as proof if not these?

WHen we had Felton who is not old and slow we were still atrocious on D. This was for the vast majority of the season? So why did you even bring that up?


Well for one thing i'm talking about the team we have now!!! Why are you talking about Felton? The issue is how is the team right now. What are our weaknesses right now. This is another team now from what it was before the trade. We do have slower PG's now and we actually got smaller. We never had strong rebounding so the team is going to have to gang rebound and play better team defense.

I'm pretty sure that the Coach will have the team focus on taking some things away from what the C's like to do and I expect the knicks to do a better job executing on D.
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4/14/2011  9:26 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Boston in 4.

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Had enough Melo?
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4/15/2011  9:31 AM
nixluva wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
nixluva wrote:This often repeated theme that D'Antoni is ignoring defense is just garbage. Show me how you can prove that he's not focusing on D or else stop saying it. All I see is guys fighting hard on D. You can't ignore the fact that we're small and our PG's are old and slow except for TD. We're going to have issues cuz our two best players are not great on D. How is any coach supposed to completely overcome those weaknesses?

When I watch the games I see the Knicks defend, but often they can't get the rebound to finish off the defensive play. The initial defense is often good. Not being strong on the defensive Boards and giving up 2nd chance points is our biggest issue. Once we can add some real rebounding help and upgrade the PG position this team should be OK.

Have you followed the team this season? Have you seen the lack of effort on D. The lack of preparation? The career nights players have against us? What would you accept as proof if not these?

WHen we had Felton who is not old and slow we were still atrocious on D. This was for the vast majority of the season? So why did you even bring that up?


Well for one thing i'm talking about the team we have now!!! Why are you talking about Felton? The issue is how is the team right now. What are our weaknesses right now. This is another team now from what it was before the trade. We do have slower PG's now and we actually got smaller. We never had strong rebounding so the team is going to have to gang rebound and play better team defense.

I'm pretty sure that the Coach will have the team focus on taking some things away from what the C's like to do and I expect the knicks to do a better job executing on D.

I'm talking about the team then to demonstrate that Mda doesn't get the team to defend even with a quick pg. That if you remember was one of your points in YOUR last post. Good job skirting around the topic though. It's funny because if the team wins a few it's like see what r u complaining about Mda is great! When they lose,say
9/10 it's well half a decade ago he coached the suns.
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4/15/2011  10:35 AM
holfresh wrote:I really don't get your point..The fact that we added two guys who can score automatically means we shouldn't play defense?...LeBron and Wade are two of the best scorers in the league and somehow gets it done on the defensive end

Lebron and Wade never needed a coach for them to play all star defense. Completely different players and an invalid comparison.

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4/15/2011  10:43 AM
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holfresh wrote:I really don't get your point..The fact that we added two guys who can score automatically means we shouldn't play defense?...LeBron and Wade are two of the best scorers in the league and somehow gets it done on the defensive end

Lebron and Wade never needed a coach for them to play all star defense. Completely different players and an invalid comparison.

How do you know this..Mike Brown was all about defense and Spo is a Riley deciple..all defense..And whT does that have to do anything...My point was because we bring in offense players does not mean we cannot or should not expect the team to play defense...
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4/15/2011  11:00 AM
Mike D'antoni can't win when it counts.
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4/15/2011  11:12 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike D'antoni can't win when it counts.

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4/15/2011  11:23 AM
eViL wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike D'antoni can't win when it counts.

keepin it fresh!

So short, but yet so meaningful.

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4/15/2011  11:26 AM
holfresh wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really don't get your point..The fact that we added two guys who can score automatically means we shouldn't play defense?...LeBron and Wade are two of the best scorers in the league and somehow gets it done on the defensive end

Lebron and Wade never needed a coach for them to play all star defense. Completely different players and an invalid comparison.

How do you know this..Mike Brown was all about defense and Spo is a Riley deciple..all defense..And whT does that have to do anything...My point was because we bring in offense players does not mean we cannot or should not expect the team to play defense...


IM thinking the Defense has improved over the last 20 games. Team game and while the offense takes time to get a rhythm so do the Defense. They got stops when needed.

Knicks are always going to score high as will opponents. So their D rating will never be great unless they blow teams out.

MDA says its the diff and he is not happy with ours right now.

IN the real world, teams are trying to win but also entertain and sell seats.

What, no Skiles love this year?

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4/15/2011  11:48 AM
Nalod wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really don't get your point..The fact that we added two guys who can score automatically means we shouldn't play defense?...LeBron and Wade are two of the best scorers in the league and somehow gets it done on the defensive end

Lebron and Wade never needed a coach for them to play all star defense. Completely different players and an invalid comparison.

How do you know this..Mike Brown was all about defense and Spo is a Riley deciple..all defense..And whT does that have to do anything...My point was because we bring in offense players does not mean we cannot or should not expect the team to play defense...


IM thinking the Defense has improved over the last 20 games. Team game and while the offense takes time to get a rhythm so do the Defense. They got stops when needed.

Knicks are always going to score high as will opponents. So their D rating will never be great unless they blow teams out.

MDA says its the diff and he is not happy with ours right now.

IN the real world, teams are trying to win but also entertain and sell seats.

What, no Skiles love this year?

Gotta love the flavor of the month club.


Melo's block on Grainger for the win @Indiana is the biggest evidence for your argument I've seen. Melo has definitely helped our rebounding numbers. Stat needs to choose when to box out better instead of sprinting back all the time. Whoever is closest needs to harass when we lose the boards to deter the other team breaking for the basket. Stop the outlet pass. It's coonsistently doing the little things that needs to happen and smart decisions.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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