Marv wrote:amear may have some physical issues going on. but imo he's also got some emotional reactions going on. this is a big hit for him ego-wise. he was big-time top dawg, "mvp" chants, letterman show, vogue cover, "savior" status of the franchise, all these younger, meeker players deferring to him. now he's melo's caddy. that’s a HUGE downgrade. i don’t care how professional and together the guy is, this game is played on a huge stage of publicity and celebrity and he’s having to go through a massive adjustment, which i think is affecting his play and effort.

interesting. what you could have said was that now he doesn't have the biggest balls in the room any more.

martin wrote:

Marv wrote:amear may have some physical issues going on. but imo he's also got some emotional reactions going on. this is a big hit for him ego-wise. he was big-time top dawg, "mvp" chants, letterman show, vogue cover, "savior" status of the franchise, all these younger, meeker players deferring to him. now he's melo's caddy. that’s a HUGE downgrade. i don’t care how professional and together the guy is, this game is played on a huge stage of publicity and celebrity and he’s having to go through a massive adjustment, which i think is affecting his play and effort.

interesting. what you could have said was that now he doesn't have the biggest balls in the room any more.

i could have but i try to not use that kind of language.

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:I wish Amare would get a little dirty too. Especially with the rebounding man one measly rebound last night .

Amare can't even box out these days. He is left with face-guarding his guy and pushing him. It's pretty sad.

So true he has lost all concept of rebounding. Last night I saw the rebound go one way and Amare looking another not a clue that the shot even went up. His rebounding has gone past the point of pathetic.

The good thing about Amare's stat line last night was 30 minutes and not 40. I would keep him to 28-32 minutes rest of the year. He's obviously run down. I might even sit him if I could and we are playing well.

This thread is silly. Who cares if Melo got some punk or dirty in him? Just win.

I would take Reggie Evans and Stephen Jackson on this team next year in a heartbeat.

Melo is a bit of a punk, so what so long as he's a crafty punk. All these guys pull crap whether its shoving, trash talking, etc

Rodman used to pinch Malone. Literally pinch him in the back. Divac was a crafty dude.

When you win (or your white) its crafty and slick. Otherwise your a punk or dirty. Who cares. CP3 does this stuff also. Bruce Bowen would stick his foot out so the jumpshooter would last and twist their ankles. Tell you what... I would take Rodman, Bowen and CP3 on my team anyday. We win a title next year if we had those 3 guys!

fishmike wrote:This thread is silly. Who cares if Melo got some punk or dirty in him? Just win.

I would take Reggie Evans and Stephen Jackson on this team next year in a heartbeat.

Melo is a bit of a punk, so what so long as he's a crafty punk. All these guys pull crap whether its shoving, trash talking, etc

Rodman used to pinch Malone. Literally pinch him in the back. Divac was a crafty dude.

When you win (or your white) its crafty and slick. Otherwise your a punk or dirty. Who cares. CP3 does this stuff also. Bruce Bowen would stick his foot out so the jumpshooter would last and twist their ankles. Tell you what... I would take Rodman, Bowen and CP3 on my team anyday. We win a title next year if we had those 3 guys!

I think it was Jesse Ventura or Bobby Heenan that used to say: "Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat and never get caught".

metra wrote:

misterearl wrote:Grabbing ten rebounds

When did this become Miss Manners Finishing School For Sorority Girls?

Sheesh

It's not. I love his 10 boards, he really knows how to get up and get the ball unlike countless other Knicks (Clarence Weatherspoon, Eddy Curry, Mozgov). Sometimes Melo just shoves the guy next to him out of the way though.

Cash$ wrote:Guys push for rebounds all the time, hence the term foul. Melo punched one guy and it was years ago and it was Mardy Collins. Melo should have punched Zeke for drafting that guy. Tripping - happened once so far as I know.

Melo is not a dirty player but has had a few dirty plays. A dirty play here and there doesn't mean the guy is a dirty player. The few instances don't define Melo as a player.

I'll give Melo the benefit of the doubt. It's only been some 15 games so far and the response from the UK has been in overwhelming disagreement with me on Melo's dirtiness. 1/2 agree but love it, 1/2 disagree, and 1/10 agree with me.

Papabear Says

Look I believe that Melo wanted to win that game by all means to him. That mean fight a claw and scratch in order to win.We need more of that Oakley and Mason type. We needed that game. Melo takes hard fouls.

Vmart wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Vmart wrote:

metra wrote:

Marv wrote:amear may have some physical issues going on. but imo he's also got some emotional reactions going on. this is a big hit for him ego-wise. he was big-time top dawg, "mvp" chants, letterman show, vogue cover, "savior" status of the franchise, all these younger, meeker players deferring to him. now he's melo's caddy. that’s a HUGE downgrade. i don’t care how professional and together the guy is, this game is played on a huge stage of publicity and celebrity and he’s having to go through a massive adjustment, which i think is affecting his play and effort.

I agree but if that's what's really going on then he let himself be "Melo's caddy". Amare doesn't have to be second fiddle, it's all on him to continue dominating. If anything I can see Amare as a 3 quarter monster and the Melo takes the spotlight in the fourth. The only reason I see for Amare not stepping it up is that Melo's game doesn't lend itself to P&R.

I don't think that is what is the problem. Fatigue may be the issue with Amare. I give him that. But there is no place for piss poor rebounding he is slacking on the defense. Put it this way he needs to stop acting pretty out there and get he job done. He needs to go back to the drawing board and relearn the concepts of rebounding.

Acting pretty?

What is "acting pretty"?

How about playing five on five for a change?

Two (or three) does not beat six or seven in the playoffs.

You know the pretty girl at the office that gets all her grunt work done by others so she don't break her nails. That's Amare "acting pretty" like he is to good to be rebounding.

Yeah, I hate that chick.

Let's get rid of Amare for a bag of magic beans.

misterearl wrote:

Vmart wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Vmart wrote:

metra wrote:

Marv wrote:amear may have some physical issues going on. but imo he's also got some emotional reactions going on. this is a big hit for him ego-wise. he was big-time top dawg, "mvp" chants, letterman show, vogue cover, "savior" status of the franchise, all these younger, meeker players deferring to him. now he's melo's caddy. that’s a HUGE downgrade. i don’t care how professional and together the guy is, this game is played on a huge stage of publicity and celebrity and he’s having to go through a massive adjustment, which i think is affecting his play and effort.

I agree but if that's what's really going on then he let himself be "Melo's caddy". Amare doesn't have to be second fiddle, it's all on him to continue dominating. If anything I can see Amare as a 3 quarter monster and the Melo takes the spotlight in the fourth. The only reason I see for Amare not stepping it up is that Melo's game doesn't lend itself to P&R.

I don't think that is what is the problem. Fatigue may be the issue with Amare. I give him that. But there is no place for piss poor rebounding he is slacking on the defense. Put it this way he needs to stop acting pretty out there and get he job done. He needs to go back to the drawing board and relearn the concepts of rebounding.

Acting pretty?

What is "acting pretty"?

How about playing five on five for a change?

Two (or three) does not beat six or seven in the playoffs.

You know the pretty girl at the office that gets all her grunt work done by others so she don't break her nails. That's Amare "acting pretty" like he is to good to be rebounding.

Yeah, I hate that chick.

Let's get rid of Amare for a bag of magic beans.

I didn't say that. I'm say he needs to get it going that is all. Like Clyde says just get 10 rebs.

I also hated Melo's drive.by punch. But he was a kid then if he learned from it and matured I am good.
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I think you got guys who are tough and gritty and maybe borderline dirty you can respect like SJax, Artest, McDyess, Oakley I think there are guys that are all out dirty like KG, Bowen, Evans that really have no place in the game with their antics. I put Melo in the first category.

OjilEye wrote:

Nalod wrote:

misterearl wrote:

Nalod wrote:This is Melo.

He is a punk, but he is our punk.

Calling someone a punk from behind a keyboard is a punk move

True......

Calling out someone's punk move for calling someone a punk from behind a keyboard from behind a keyboard is a punk move.

i got dizzy reading that sentence

orangeblobman wrote:

misterearl wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Didn't we learn anything from Kermit Washington?

Yup.

You don't run up on an player, from his blindside, during a scuffle when his back is turned. Kermit Washington was no criminal and Rudy T got caught with a spontaneous reaction.

Didn't you learn anything from Rodney King?

Yea, don't lead cops on a 115mph chase.

And it wasn't a spontaneous reaction, it was a violent character brought to light.

My point is, aggressive dirty hoops leads to scuffles, which can lead to life threatening injuries.

Someone get this softy out of NY. We talkin basketball. NEW YORK basketball! Basketball is a contact sport. Physical player. Period.

TheloniusMonk wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

misterearl wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Didn't we learn anything from Kermit Washington?

Yup.

You don't run up on an player, from his blindside, during a scuffle when his back is turned. Kermit Washington was no criminal and Rudy T got caught with a spontaneous reaction.

Didn't you learn anything from Rodney King?

Yea, don't lead cops on a 115mph chase.

And it wasn't a spontaneous reaction, it was a violent character brought to light.

My point is, aggressive dirty hoops leads to scuffles, which can lead to life threatening injuries.

Someone get this softy out of NY. We talkin basketball. NEW YORK basketball! Basketball is a contact sport. Physical player. Period.

One man's physical player is another man's opportunity to arbitrarily label the same player a thug.

If Carmelo Anthony shied away from contact he would be labeled as "soft."

He would never be described as blue collar. He scores too many points for that.