CrushAlot wrote:Maybe Melo is used to being on a team where adjustments are made on defense in resonse to how an opponent played. Maybe he is used to working on that sort of thing in practice. Maybe George Karl and the Nuggets employ scouts. Things are different in NY but he doesn't have to worry. Once D'Antoni gets his guys, has guys on his roster that can play his system, has enough time for his team to gel, his team will be great. However the Knicks are 230 games into this and nothing during his tenure here has shown me that he is a winner or can win in NY (unless you include his assistant olympic coach status and his ability to lure big name free agents other than Amare who reports are now saying had to be convinced to play for D'Antoni again by Isiah).

nykshaknbake wrote:Y'know that Melo character not a winner and just likes to whine. DIdn't Amare once complain about MDAs defensive coaching? He's just a little bitch who whines because he's uncoachable and all me first. The problem is the othe other players look up to them and so they all refuse to play the great MDA defensive strategy. MDA tried to make adjustments but they told him to fuk off.

This is typical of some of the more uneducated idiotic posts on this board. Let's not give the team time to get their act together let's just jump on them. To say Melo is not a winner is idiotic. I guess he never won anything at Syracuse!!! I guess Denver didn't consistently win 50 plus games per year while he was there! Idiotic!

holfresh wrote:Does anyone have a link to Melo's post game interview...I saw it and he never said anything close to what is being suggested...1050ESPN radio just played Melo's post game interview and he is being ridiculed by SAS and Don La Greca for making excuses for the way the Knicks played defense...

http://knicksnow.com/posts/1148-postgame-carmelo-anthony

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Maybe Melo is used to being on a team where adjustments are made on defense in resonse to how an opponent played. Maybe he is used to working on that sort of thing in practice. Maybe George Karl and the Nuggets employ scouts. Things are different in NY but he doesn't have to worry. Once D'Antoni gets his guys, has guys on his roster that can play his system, has enough time for his team to gel, his team will be great. However the Knicks are 230 games into this and nothing during his tenure here has shown me that he is a winner or can win in NY (unless you include his assistant olympic coach status and his ability to lure big name free agents other than Amare who reports are now saying had to be convinced to play for D'Antoni again by Isiah).

you got to be kidding with this crap

This is the kind of thing that inspires me to stop posting here. Not the opinion. But the way it's expressed. You referenced George Karl.

Here are some tidbits from a recent SI piece on how Karl feels post Melo:

To say that Karl did not like Anthony is far too first grade. Rather, he did not like what the Nuggets had become with Anthony, a symbol of much that ails the modern NBA: passive on defense and predictable on offense, with endless isolation plays for a disgruntled superstar whose teammates stand on the fringe and wonder what they could accomplish if given the chance. "Do you like watching that kind of basketball?" Karl says. "I don't either."

He is challenging the widely held belief that an NBA team stocked with solid talent can't beat one with a couple of stars. "Why can't we?" Karl asks. "Why can't we get creative? Why can't we have more passing, more movement, more guys with the ball, better defense, better spacing?"

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1182973/1/index.htm#ixzz1Go7MUiJ6

here's another piece on Karl, Melo, defense:

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/25/george-karl-calls-carmelo-bad-at-defense-carmelo-is-unhappy/
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I'm not saying Melo is a terrible player but I don't understand how someone can think that our terrible defense the last 2 games has nothing to do with him.

That's the crazy part. Slam MDA for his defense but slam the players too. This is just getting crazy.

TMS wrote:

holfresh wrote:Does anyone have a link to Melo's post game interview...I saw it and he never said anything close to what is being suggested...1050ESPN radio just played Melo's post game interview and he is being ridiculed by SAS and Don La Greca for making excuses for the way the Knicks played defense...

http://knicksnow.com/posts/1148-postgame-carmelo-anthony

Thanks TMS...How is this interview in any way close to what this thread has suggested Carmelo is saying...Where is Camelo taking a shot at MDA...Saying they didn't make adjustments to Hansbrough???..How is it not interpreted that the players didn't make adjustments...

Vmart wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:Sounds like some of the star struck Melophant crowd is sweating a bit and scrambling about to find reasons for why the Melo/Amare/Billups triad not just overwhelming opponents by the sheer force of their respective reputations and star power.

...And as usual, it is always easier to go after the coach

Anthony has not earned the right, through his defense as a Knick, or his history of less than enthusiastic D with the Nuggets, to make comments about defensive strategy, IMO.

I'll listen if Billups says something, not Anthony.

The Melo deal is the best deal made by the Knicks in years. Stay the course, no panic here, the Knicks are so much better than they were before the trade.

No panic here, just the sad realization that we may have just made a rather big mistake that has put us back into the hole which Walsh had so adroitly gotten us out of.

holfresh wrote:

TMS wrote:

holfresh wrote:Does anyone have a link to Melo's post game interview...I saw it and he never said anything close to what is being suggested...1050ESPN radio just played Melo's post game interview and he is being ridiculed by SAS and Don La Greca for making excuses for the way the Knicks played defense...

http://knicksnow.com/posts/1148-postgame-carmelo-anthony

Thanks TMS...How is this interview in any way close to what this thread has suggested Carmelo is saying...Where is Camelo taking a shot at MDA...Saying they didn't make adjustments to Hansbrough???..How is it not interpreted that the players didn't make adjustments...

Its not a shot, but the people who were against the trade have used this an opportunity to overstate what Melo said so they can jump on the "I told you so," Bandwagon. When Melo first arrived, people were calling him a loser who hasn't won anyting. After a few games he was a 'selfish chucker' and a 'ball stopper' and now his resent comments have been twisted to the point where people are now calling Melo 'a cancer, a diva, and Melobury?' Really?

After years of being left at the alter, we finally have a guy that legitimately wanted to be in NY. Forced his way here. Instead of embracing our best SF since Bernard, people take their angst out on him all because we gave up a bunch of players that had some potential, a bunch of maybe's and lots of hope-so's. This is unreal to me. It will ony get worse from here. Brace yourselves....

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Maybe Melo is used to being on a team where adjustments are made on defense in resonse to how an opponent played. Maybe he is used to working on that sort of thing in practice. Maybe George Karl and the Nuggets employ scouts. Things are different in NY but he doesn't have to worry. Once D'Antoni gets his guys, has guys on his roster that can play his system, has enough time for his team to gel, his team will be great. However the Knicks are 230 games into this and nothing during his tenure here has shown me that he is a winner or can win in NY (unless you include his assistant olympic coach status and his ability to lure big name free agents other than Amare who reports are now saying had to be convinced to play for D'Antoni again by Isiah).

you got to be kidding with this crap

This is the kind of thing that inspires me to stop posting here. Not the opinion. But the way it's expressed. You referenced George Karl.

Here are some tidbits from a recent SI piece on how Karl feels post Melo:

To say that Karl did not like Anthony is far too first grade. Rather, he did not like what the Nuggets had become with Anthony, a symbol of much that ails the modern NBA: passive on defense and predictable on offense, with endless isolation plays for a disgruntled superstar whose teammates stand on the fringe and wonder what they could accomplish if given the chance. "Do you like watching that kind of basketball?" Karl says. "I don't either."

He is challenging the widely held belief that an NBA team stocked with solid talent can't beat one with a couple of stars. "Why can't we?" Karl asks. "Why can't we get creative? Why can't we have more passing, more movement, more guys with the ball, better defense, better spacing?"

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1182973/1/index.htm#ixzz1Go7MUiJ6

here's another piece on Karl, Melo, defense:

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/25/george-karl-calls-carmelo-bad-at-defense-carmelo-is-unhappy/
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I'm not saying Melo is a terrible player but I don't understand how someone can think that our terrible defense the last 2 games has nothing to do with him.

That's the crazy part. Slam MDA for his defense but slam the players too. This is just getting crazy.

it's very easy to be critical of a player once he forces his way out of your organization... i find it hard to believe George Karl had any problem with 3 straight 50+ win seasons with Melo as his best player... not sure what the revelation is about Carmelo's defense anyway, it's not a newsflash that he was a weak defensive player even his biggest supporters acknowledged this fact a long time ago, but he has shown the ability to defend at times he played Kobe Bryant pretty tough in the WCF i don't think anyone on this board had anything negative to say about him back then i find it funny the selective memory that's going on from some of the posters around here.

Paladin55 wrote:Sounds like some of the star struck Melophant crowd is sweating a bit and scrambling about to find reasons for why the Melo/Amare/Billups triad has not just overwhelmed opponents by the sheer force of their respective reputations and star power.

...And as usual, it is always easier to go after the coach

Anthony has not earned the right, through his defense as a Knick, or his history of less than enthusiastic D with the Nuggets, to make comments about defensive strategy, IMO.

I'll listen if Billups says something, not Anthony.

wow, i thought u were one of the more reasonable posters to be able to debate around here... "Melophant crowd"? are you falling in line with the same crowd that doubted the Melo trade & now wants instantaneous championship results after a week & a half & a handful of practice time? not even 1 playoff game played yet & we're already scrambling about to apply bandaids to try & salvage something out of this mess? lol.