Juice wrote:

Nalod wrote:For me its not defending MDA but the Scapegoat theory in Ny that a new coach will always help.

MDA didn't drop the pick and roll pass Amare had tonite and MDA didn't leave 7.8 on the clock after melo had his way and pts.

We are not privy to all that coaches are telling the players but somtimes its just not executed.

Im tired of all the coaches and player change overs and fans expecting wins right away.

If this season matters then size does not.

I see this as our problem. JNBE. Just not big enough.

Where was the defensive adjustment to Hansbrough? Why was Hibbert making clutch plays late? How come Collison could do whatever he wanted tonight? How come we lost to the Pacers with and without Granger in the lineup? The Pacers made the bulk of their plays from the perimeter not the interior.

Not sure if there is a better coach available at the moment who you can clearly say is better than Pringles besides....

Sloan(Yes but is he available)
Jackson(Yes but will he continue to coach)

Hubie(not available)
Fratello(bridge burned maybe)
JVG(bridge burned down)

Lawrence Frank(maybe)
Mike Brown(sheesh who knows)
Nellie(repeat debacle plus too intoxicated)
Jim O'Brien(well an interim is doing as good a job0
Mike Dunleavy(No)
Dwayne Casey(?)
Eddie Jordan(?)
Mussleman(?)
Terry Stotts(?)
Terry Porter(?)
Mo Cheeks(?)
Mark Jackson(?)
Mario Elie(?)
Patrick Ewing(?)
Sam Cassell(?)
Larry Brown(can't go there ever)

Then again when Silas and Collins were available no one thought much of them.

Brian Shaw > any of the third tier candidates.

I'm not yet convinced sucks, but maybe that's because I haven't seen a good coach here in a decade... Van Gundy? Or Riley before him?

But I'm also not convinced that firing a coach magically brings order out of the disorder that would create.

And what about Donnie?

Nalod wrote:For me its not defending MDA but the Scapegoat theory in Ny that a new coach will always help.

MDA didn't drop the pick and roll pass Amare had tonite and MDA didn't leave 7.8 on the clock after melo had his way and pts.

We are not privy to all that coaches are telling the players but somtimes its just not executed.

Im tired of all the coaches and player change overs and fans expecting wins right away.

If this season matters then size does not.

I see this as our problem. JNBE. Just not big enough.

I usually agree with you, but you are forgetting we let a team that had lots of troubles scoring and winning to put up 106 and 119 points in consecutive losses. We made a few mistakes in the last minutes but our defensive woes are a problem of ages under D'Antoni. I wouldn't put the blame on the coach if I saw any sign of defense, but this is ridiculous what we supposedly play when defending. Im sure the Knicks win the last two games if they played AVERAGE team defense, but they don't even do that.

Now tell me how we don't have defensive players. That's not the point. Its about playing defensive schemes, adjust to teams and stop them for stretches of the game. We do none of that, and its because of the lack of preparation to do it. That goes on the coach.

He has to go.

MDA's response:
" i don't think anything was wrong with our defense we just weren't making shots"

we scored 117 pts tonight but our problem was not hitting our shots... terrific.

What Would Van Gundy Do?

Juice wrote:Those defensive plays were actually catch 22....objectively speaking SW made Granger take a tough shot he had to use a step back and he sent him to help, that's why he pulled up and stepped back. He didn't play him as aggressive than you would like but it was a tough shot.

The bicker shouldn't be on what the role players weren't doing in the clutch versus what the star players were doing all game.....Collison/Hansbrough/Hibbert/Jones were making the big plays in critical moments throughout the game. These are covers by Amar'e/Melo/Billups. Our big 3 just isn't that good. We know what the coach's focus is and always will be.

Good point Juice. I want to put the onus on Amar'e and Melo for our defensive effort... Billups is hurt and he has good backup in Toney D so I'll give him a pass. They come here notorious for not playing it, just as comes for not coaching it.

islesfan wrote:

TMS wrote:In the post game MDA was asked "what do you think was wrong defensively tonight?"... does he address how Shawne Williams let Granger blow past him & how late JJ was in rotating over to help? of course not... does he talk about how JJ stood motionless in the paint while Collison drove to the hole for easy layups? no sir.

MDA's response:
" i don't think anything was wrong with our defense we just weren't making shots"

we scored 117 pts tonight but our problem was not hitting our shots... terrific.

If that's what he said, fire the idiot tonight.

nykshaknbake wrote:A 0.500 team with that roster would have been passable. But not this one. You play the cards you are dealt. If you have a mediocre hand you live with medicore results. When you have the talent we do, getting brained by the Pacers is and being 0.500 is not acceptable.

MDA should stay untill the end of this season, but if we don't see something different it'd be stupid to keep him.

CrushAlot wrote:

islesfan wrote:

TMS wrote:In the post game MDA was asked "what do you think was wrong defensively tonight?"... does he address how Shawne Williams let Granger blow past him & how late JJ was in rotating over to help? of course not... does he talk about how JJ stood motionless in the paint while Collison drove to the hole for easy layups? no sir.

MDA's response:
" i don't think anything was wrong with our defense we just weren't making shots"

we scored 117 pts tonight but our problem was not hitting our shots... terrific.

If that's what he said, fire the idiot tonight.

+1

+ 1,000

DrAlphaeus wrote:The other more frightening way to look at this though is that maybe this is still a mediocre hand.

nykshaknbake wrote:A 0.500 team with that roster would have been passable. But not this one. You play the cards you are dealt. If you have a mediocre hand you live with medicore results. When you have the talent we do, getting brained by the Pacers is and being 0.500 is not acceptable.

MDA should stay untill the end of this season, but if we don't see something different it'd be stupid to keep him.

CrushAlot wrote:The guy has won 95 out of the 235 he has coached in NY. When is he going to be held accountable for his incompetence.

People use the excuse that he has had lost of roster turn-over. The problem with that excuse is each group he has had were all inept on the defensive end. Its not like we broke up defensive juggernauts for high-end offensive players.