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nixluva
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3/15/2011  8:17 AM
I find it strange how quickly some jump on this team for it's current state when they should know that this is not the final product. You have to recognize that they put the core together based on the model that you need at least 2 stars to compete for a title. No, this team isn't perfect. We knew that once we went after Melo now rather than waiting for FA, that the cost would be higher. Then we've got those who are upset cuz the Nuggets are better, well right now that may be so, but it's not about right now. It's about the next 5 years. The idea is to now put more people around a dynamic core. IMO this is a much better start than what we had before. Now that we have this core, it's easier to know the extra parts we need to add in order to complete the picture.

We've got closers now. It's much easier to find solid role players IMO. They're much more plentiful than Superstars! Every draft there are guys with specific skills that are perfect as role players, but not stars. Guys like Verajao who are great in the role they play and really make an impact next to stars.

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CashMoney
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3/15/2011  9:13 AM
nixluva wrote:I find it strange how quickly some jump on this team for it's current state when they should know that this is not the final product. You have to recognize that they put the core together based on the model that you need at least 2 stars to compete for a title. No, this team isn't perfect. We knew that once we went after Melo now rather than waiting for FA, that the cost would be higher. Then we've got those who are upset cuz the Nuggets are better, well right now that may be so, but it's not about right now. It's about the next 5 years. The idea is to now put more people around a dynamic core. IMO this is a much better start than what we had before. Now that we have this core, it's easier to know the extra parts we need to add in order to complete the picture.

We've got closers now. It's much easier to find solid role players IMO. They're much more plentiful than Superstars! Every draft there are guys with specific skills that are perfect as role players, but not stars. Guys like Verajao who are great in the role they play and really make an impact next to stars.

Finally, a common sense perspective.

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3/15/2011  10:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/15/2011  10:07 AM
The knicks should be contending next year no doubt. The biggest question for this team is probably the maturation of Douglas and Fields.


Finding a part time big isn't going to be a 2 year search. But for the most part this is a good team that needs three spots filled..........Donnie going to fill those needs.

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3/15/2011  12:01 PM
Some more info for you guys from http://www.hoopsworld.com/NBASalaries.asp
Spurs: $69,877,859
Lakers: $91,377,340
Celtics: $76,404,035
Heat: $67,633,998
Thunder: $55,773,117
Knicks: $68,415,367

And guess what, these other teams are better with much better depth.

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3/15/2011  12:15 PM
CashMoney wrote:
nixluva wrote:I find it strange how quickly some jump on this team for it's current state when they should know that this is not the final product. You have to recognize that they put the core together based on the model that you need at least 2 stars to compete for a title. No, this team isn't perfect. We knew that once we went after Melo now rather than waiting for FA, that the cost would be higher. Then we've got those who are upset cuz the Nuggets are better, well right now that may be so, but it's not about right now. It's about the next 5 years. The idea is to now put more people around a dynamic core. IMO this is a much better start than what we had before. Now that we have this core, it's easier to know the extra parts we need to add in order to complete the picture.

We've got closers now. It's much easier to find solid role players IMO. They're much more plentiful than Superstars! Every draft there are guys with specific skills that are perfect as role players, but not stars. Guys like Verajao who are great in the role they play and really make an impact next to stars.

Finally, a common sense perspective.

Does everyone remember when Donnie said the 2010 plan wasn't the 2010 plan? It was par tof the 2011 plan, and the 2012 plan, etc. I know the cupboard is a little empty right now, but by the same token, it didn't taken Donnie all too long to fill it up either

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3/15/2011  12:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/15/2011  12:31 PM
1. Build a team that makes people stare in the airport. You need three centers. The Knicks have zero.

2. Build a team that shares the pill. Nobody takes more than 20 shots a night.

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Marv
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3/15/2011  12:24 PM
misterearl wrote:2. Build a team that makes people stare in the airport. You need three centers. The Knicks have zero.

2. Build a team that shares the pill. Nobody takes more than 20 shots a night.

earl, what's donnie gonna do if he keeps giving mike height and mike doesn't use it? i know, i know, there have been limitations with each of these guys, but if height was important to mike he would have used hill, milicic, randolph and mosgov a lot more than he did.

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3/15/2011  12:48 PM
Marv - good point. Each of the guys you mention had a unique case.

Anthony Randolph he did not play like a center. He wanted to imitate Tayshaun Prince.
Darko was a locker room cancer. He wanted it his way. He had to go.
Mozgov was granted some bonus minutes to start his career in NYC. He had to make a huge adjustment. Jeg lag is a dog.

With that said, The Answer Man preferred Mark Jackson to coach da yoots.

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TMS
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3/15/2011  6:48 PM
CashMoney wrote:
nixluva wrote:I find it strange how quickly some jump on this team for it's current state when they should know that this is not the final product. You have to recognize that they put the core together based on the model that you need at least 2 stars to compete for a title. No, this team isn't perfect. We knew that once we went after Melo now rather than waiting for FA, that the cost would be higher. Then we've got those who are upset cuz the Nuggets are better, well right now that may be so, but it's not about right now. It's about the next 5 years. The idea is to now put more people around a dynamic core. IMO this is a much better start than what we had before. Now that we have this core, it's easier to know the extra parts we need to add in order to complete the picture.

We've got closers now. It's much easier to find solid role players IMO. They're much more plentiful than Superstars! Every draft there are guys with specific skills that are perfect as role players, but not stars. Guys like Verajao who are great in the role they play and really make an impact next to stars.

Finally, a common sense perspective.

+1... the rush to judgement gets a little ridiculous

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3/15/2011  8:16 PM
knickstorrents wrote:Some more info for you guys from http://www.hoopsworld.com/NBASalaries.asp
Spurs: $69,877,859
Lakers: $91,377,340
Celtics: $76,404,035
Heat: $67,633,998
Thunder: $55,773,117
Knicks: $68,415,367

And guess what, these other teams are better with much better depth.

Close to the bottom, and as a destination for FA's NY might well be at the top of the list.

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3/15/2011  8:48 PM
a bad one. Hope all you melolites enjoy--great move!!
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3/16/2011  5:03 PM
TMS wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
nixluva wrote:I find it strange how quickly some jump on this team for it's current state when they should know that this is not the final product. You have to recognize that they put the core together based on the model that you need at least 2 stars to compete for a title. No, this team isn't perfect. We knew that once we went after Melo now rather than waiting for FA, that the cost would be higher. Then we've got those who are upset cuz the Nuggets are better, well right now that may be so, but it's not about right now. It's about the next 5 years. The idea is to now put more people around a dynamic core. IMO this is a much better start than what we had before. Now that we have this core, it's easier to know the extra parts we need to add in order to complete the picture.

We've got closers now. It's much easier to find solid role players IMO. They're much more plentiful than Superstars! Every draft there are guys with specific skills that are perfect as role players, but not stars. Guys like Verajao who are great in the role they play and really make an impact next to stars.

Finally, a common sense perspective.

+1... the rush to judgement gets a little ridiculous

We've done 10 years of starphucking? How many do we need to wait before we can make a judgment?

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3/16/2011  5:10 PM
TMS wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
nixluva wrote:I find it strange how quickly some jump on this team for it's current state when they should know that this is not the final product. You have to recognize that they put the core together based on the model that you need at least 2 stars to compete for a title. No, this team isn't perfect. We knew that once we went after Melo now rather than waiting for FA, that the cost would be higher. Then we've got those who are upset cuz the Nuggets are better, well right now that may be so, but it's not about right now. It's about the next 5 years. The idea is to now put more people around a dynamic core. IMO this is a much better start than what we had before. Now that we have this core, it's easier to know the extra parts we need to add in order to complete the picture.

We've got closers now. It's much easier to find solid role players IMO. They're much more plentiful than Superstars! Every draft there are guys with specific skills that are perfect as role players, but not stars. Guys like Verajao who are great in the role they play and really make an impact next to stars.

Finally, a common sense perspective.

+1... the rush to judgement gets a little ridiculous


HAHAHAHA... coming after a losing streak. But when Melo hits a game winner your streaking down 7th avenue calling out all the posters who didnt like the trade. "Where are the detractors now????"

HAHAHHA... classic dude.

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3/16/2011  5:11 PM
BRIGGS wrote:a bad one. Hope all you melolites enjoy--great move!!
he's still a good player though... the Knicks got worse with this but they have a couple big guns now. It just comes down to Walsh staying and building this thing. If he does we can overcome this. If he leaves and we have Allan Houston or whoever is going to be Dolans next stooge we are phucked
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3/16/2011  6:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2011  6:41 PM
fishmike wrote:
TMS wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
nixluva wrote:I find it strange how quickly some jump on this team for it's current state when they should know that this is not the final product. You have to recognize that they put the core together based on the model that you need at least 2 stars to compete for a title. No, this team isn't perfect. We knew that once we went after Melo now rather than waiting for FA, that the cost would be higher. Then we've got those who are upset cuz the Nuggets are better, well right now that may be so, but it's not about right now. It's about the next 5 years. The idea is to now put more people around a dynamic core. IMO this is a much better start than what we had before. Now that we have this core, it's easier to know the extra parts we need to add in order to complete the picture.

We've got closers now. It's much easier to find solid role players IMO. They're much more plentiful than Superstars! Every draft there are guys with specific skills that are perfect as role players, but not stars. Guys like Verajao who are great in the role they play and really make an impact next to stars.

Finally, a common sense perspective.

+1... the rush to judgement gets a little ridiculous


HAHAHAHA... coming after a losing streak. But when Melo hits a game winner your streaking down 7th avenue calling out all the posters who didnt like the trade. "Where are the detractors now????"

HAHAHHA... classic dude.

the amount of flip flopping u do on this trade is shameful 1 day you're comparing Melo to 3rd tier guys like Gilbert Arenas saying Melo's just a stat padder doesn't help teams win games, then we make the trade you say we gave up a lot but we had to make the trade disguising your previous contempt for Melo with posts like "I like Melo, always have" type of bullsheit... then we lose a string of games you're back on the forums ripping anyone who may have supported the trade & acting as if you wrote the book on basketball knowledge.... make up ur damn mind stop trying to ride both sides of the fence on this issue that's a pretty bitchass move if i ever saw one... have some conviction to stand behind your own arguments for God's sakes & get over yourself... flip floppers like u have zero credibility

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3/16/2011  6:47 PM
TMS wrote:
fishmike wrote:
TMS wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
nixluva wrote:I find it strange how quickly some jump on this team for it's current state when they should know that this is not the final product. You have to recognize that they put the core together based on the model that you need at least 2 stars to compete for a title. No, this team isn't perfect. We knew that once we went after Melo now rather than waiting for FA, that the cost would be higher. Then we've got those who are upset cuz the Nuggets are better, well right now that may be so, but it's not about right now. It's about the next 5 years. The idea is to now put more people around a dynamic core. IMO this is a much better start than what we had before. Now that we have this core, it's easier to know the extra parts we need to add in order to complete the picture.

We've got closers now. It's much easier to find solid role players IMO. They're much more plentiful than Superstars! Every draft there are guys with specific skills that are perfect as role players, but not stars. Guys like Verajao who are great in the role they play and really make an impact next to stars.

Finally, a common sense perspective.

+1... the rush to judgement gets a little ridiculous


HAHAHAHA... coming after a losing streak. But when Melo hits a game winner your streaking down 7th avenue calling out all the posters who didnt like the trade. "Where are the detractors now????"

HAHAHHA... classic dude.

the amount of flip flopping u do on this trade is shameful 1 day you're comparing Melo to 3rd tier guys like Gilbert Arenas saying Melo's just a stat padder doesn't help teams win games, then we make the trade you say we gave up a lot but we had to make the trade disguising your previous contempt for Melo with posts like "I like Melo, always have" type of bullsheit... then we lose a string of games you're back on the forums ripping anyone who may have supported the trade & acting as if you wrote the book on basketball knowledge.... make up ur damn mind stop trying to ride both sides of the fence on this issue that's a pretty bitchass move if i ever saw one... have some conviction to stand behind your own arguments for God's sakes & get over yourself... flip floppers like u have zero credibility

Rome wasn't built in a day, but it certainly speeds thing sup when you get your cornerstones in place. Miami looked pretty bad when they started out. We saw glimpses of how well Stat and Melo can play together, running and effective PnR. Billups came up big before his injury. I suspect the team will hover around .500 this year. And no team is going to want to play them in the postseason.

Come the offseason, the Knicks will reload the depth they sacrifice. I suspect next season this will be the best Knicks team since that '99 surprise team. I look at it like this: the Knicks are winning at the same rate as before. But the players they will replace are easier to find than finding another Melo.

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