fishmike wrote:spin it anyway you want.. Felton has a 3rd year. It was an option.

If you're implying the Knicks hold a third year option on Felton, they do not.

If you're implying if Felton played well for 2 years he'd sign for 1 more year, inexpensiively, you're crazy.

Melo's age isnt a concern for me or the difference between Melo's age and the guys we gave up. The age issue was wirth Billups and the fact that we gave up 4 rotation players (starters) and one prospect for one player and one on the way out.

If Billups, under your definition is "one on the way out", then what were Chandler and Randolph". They were on their way out too, just reasons other than age.

Again, you're manipulating things to paint them in the worst possible light.

As for Melo being penalized because of our current seeding your joking right? Didnt we get Melo to be elite and compete with the other star studded teams in the east? I thought that was the point.

Partly, yes. But as Walsh has outright stated, the work isn't done.

In the top-heavy east, seeding is important. Yes, he's here to compete with the best, but he won't be responsible for OTHER teams getting the play-off homecourt advantage.

And cap space in 2012? Really dude? Go run the #s and get back to me....

Don't need to. Knicks have about $42m committed to 2012-2102. Look it up.

And I'll say this again. Chandler in 2011, Gallinari, Felton and Fields in 2012.

They idea the KNicks were keeping those players AND signing a significant free agent is a myth.

We could have competed and made the playoffs just fine with the very deep, young and improving team we had.

I continue to fail to see how practically the Knicks went from "very deep" to threadbare.

Randolph was a non-factor.

Mozgoz was a project (whom I liked, but a project nonetheless).

Felton-Billups was at worst a wash.

At worst, you're really talking 2 for 1. One of which probably wasn't going to be here next year anyway.

And this is for a team who is a coached by someone we all KNOW has a short rotation.

The extreme terms being used to paint this trade is out of emotion, not practical analysis.

Bonn1997 wrote:My only point is that the assumption that we wouldn't have cap space in 2012 for one of the big three FAs is an unnecessary assumption to make.

I'm going to reiterate what I was responding to, which is something you posted.

t would have been a nightmare to have gone 4-4 with the previous team instead of 5-3 in the last 8 and have cap room to sign Melo, D Will, C Paul, or Dwight Howard while keeping Gallo.

Unless I misunderstand your point, you seemed to implying the KNicks could SIGN a 2012 FA AND keep Gallo.

Am I mistaken?

Now are you asking what if you miss out on Melo, miss out on Deron, miss out on Paul, and miss out on Dwight? Look, no plan is risk free; that plan is a risk I'm willing to take and there are plenty of good 2nd tier FAs anyway and lots of trade advantages to staying under the cap if you don't sign max FAs.

Which invariably brings us back to the point that NO ONE knows what the next CBA will do to free agent movement, so the "risk" is greater than just those players failing to choose NY. Add to that their possible inability to.

And at the end of the day, I think I'm missing the big picture. What is the goal here?

Knicks now HAVE one of the names you mentioned.

What ELSE are you positioning for?

Marv wrote:GREAT trade.

TERRIBLE TRADE

Marv wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Marv wrote:GREAT trade.

TERRIBLE TRADE

less filling.

great taste.

TMS wrote:

Marv wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Marv wrote:GREAT trade.

TERRIBLE TRADE

less filling.

the Jeffries acquisition has allowed Melo to score 20 in the 1st half... understand it live it & love it Knick fans.

the Dynastic Vessel is BALLIN OUTTA CONTROL!!!

SupremeCommander wrote:

TMS wrote:

Marv wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Marv wrote:GREAT trade.

TERRIBLE TRADE

less filling.

the Jeffries acquisition has allowed Melo to score 20 in the 1st half... understand it live it & love it Knick fans.

the Dynastic Vessel is BALLIN OUTTA CONTROL!!!

TMS wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:I laugh at anyone who thinks Gallo's professional basketball career can surpass Melo's.

i'd be shocked if Gallo or Wilson's professional careers ever surpassed Chauncey's either... i been done telling everyone weeks before the trade that Chauncey was still ballin' & all he's been doing is averaging over 23 ppg since he got here... the Knicks clearly got the 2 best players in that trade by far i don't see what there is to lament over... i dunno about anyone else but i have more faith in even Shelden Williams than i do in Timofey Mozgov as a player that will help us in the playoffs this year... we weren't going anywhere with the players we gave up in that deal & yet people act as if we gave up our future for a quick Melo fix & completely ignore every other piece we got in that deal... AC's a good role player too, hell i like all the role players we got back in that deal.

for me the only downside was having to take back Balkman's contract but whatever it's not a cap killer & he can fill some useful minutes if he has to... also not a fan of buying Corey Brewer out, but if fishlips can do the job in that role, screw it, let MDA play who he wants to play as long as they're effective for us... now that we have the legit 2 superstars to build around i can't complain, i think this team is in much better shape going forward than it's been since i've been watching basketball.

So TMS, would you say that Walsh has earned the benefit of the doubt yet?

Marv wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

TMS wrote:

Marv wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Marv wrote:GREAT trade.

TERRIBLE TRADE

less filling.

the Jeffries acquisition has allowed Melo to score 20 in the 1st half... understand it live it & love it Knick fans.

the Dynastic Vessel is BALLIN OUTTA CONTROL!!!

d-vessel should have an assist on every one of carmelo's 1st-half buckets.

**** that. he should have two assists for every one of melo's bucket shots (or whatever the racists call it these days)

SupremeCommander wrote:

Marv wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

TMS wrote:

Marv wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Marv wrote:GREAT trade.

TERRIBLE TRADE

less filling.

the Jeffries acquisition has allowed Melo to score 20 in the 1st half... understand it live it & love it Knick fans.

the Dynastic Vessel is BALLIN OUTTA CONTROL!!!

d-vessel should have an assist on every one of carmelo's 1st-half buckets.

**** that. he should have two assists for every one of melo's bucket shots (or whatever the racists call it these days)

lmao! racists... that's hilarious

SupremeCommander wrote:

TMS wrote:funny how much better our role players look when they're playing next to 2 superstars like STAT & Melo... hell even Fishlips looks like a keeper & Roger Mason is ballin... look at the defense AC has brought & the rebounding help that Shelden has been able to give when he's gotten the chance to play... those guys were all completely irrelevant for the past 2 seasons or actually detrimental when they were on the floor before we made this trade... 1 superstar can only get you so far, when you add the 2nd you're now making everyone else around them better just by having them on the floor... people that consistently try to rag on this trade are either unwilling or incapable of understanding.

TERRIBLE TRADE

LESS FILLING