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2/23/2011  11:42 AM
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CHAOS wrote:Proko got his just deserts for jacking up the price for Melo on us. Now he loses his prized picks and rookie just to rent DWill for half a season !!! lol

I hope that happens. That will set the Nets back about 3-4 years if that happens. Hopefully, Deron will sign with the Knicks, if we can clear enough cap space.

i'd much rather cp3 to be honest.

and just to let everyone know - deron isn't a FA until after next year - just like cp3.

why?

i've always liked cp3 better, aside from the dirty **** he pulls sometimes. i think paul is the better player, i think he's done more with less than deron has done. cp3 has had no help on that hornets team for years and he's constantly putting that team in the playoffs. i like cp3's ability to run the pick and roll better than deron and i think overall cp3 is a better shooter than deron, especially from the outside.

i can't agree with or disagree with fish's point about cp3's D since the knee injury, but i'm going to go off what i knew and that was that cp3 was a very good defensive player, not only steals-wise but man-man defense.

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2/23/2011  11:42 AM
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tkf wrote:and gave up less. I am sorry, gallo, chandler, felton, moz are better...

But Billups is better than Felton.

not by much and Felton's age (8? 9 years younger?) and much smaller salary make him the more valuable player. Billups will win you more games this year but he's old and a stop gap. Worst case is you could always extend Felton and have a high caliber rotation guy at a critical position

yeah I don't think Billups is an upgrade. He's obviously good, but there's no way he can play as many minutes as Felton. Which means way too much of Toney Douglas

I agree, but I think Melo makes TD better. TD can play the point and Melo can go into Iso mode which he is good at, and the Knicks can live without a true PG on the floor a little longer than before.

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2/23/2011  11:42 AM
Knickoftime wrote:We have our answer...

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Under current NBA rules, D-Will isn't eligible to sign an extension w/Nets until July 9. So this can NOT be an extend-and-trade like Melo

And the first chance he had to sign extension will be AFTER a new CBA is ratified.

NJ just took a HUGE, HUGE chance.

right... wow

guess Prokhorov is betting the new CBA doesn't let guys hop from place to place

I'm not going to call him crazy though... I think Williams is the best point guard in the game. You don't get the best without dropping your balls on the table

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2/23/2011  11:42 AM
Knickoftime wrote:We have our answer...

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Under current NBA rules, D-Will isn't eligible to sign an extension w/Nets until July 9. So this can NOT be an extend-and-trade like Melo

And the first chance he had to sign extension will be AFTER a new CBA is ratified.

NJ just took a HUGE, HUGE chance.

So here is my question to all: During CBA negotiations, does NJ want a franchise tag so that it helps them keep Deron, or do they want loosey-goosey trade rules so that they can grab another high-end FA to ensure that Deron stays?

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2/23/2011  11:43 AM
matt wrote:Didn't see this one coming.. Any word if he mentioned he'll resign there yet?

blind sided by this one

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2/23/2011  11:43 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:yeah I don't think Billups is an upgrade. He's obviously good, but there's no way he can play as many minutes as Felton. Which means way too much of Toney Douglas

Once again we're left to trying to get people to realize Felton hasn't been playing well since mid-December.

Look at the splits.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/2753/raymond-felton

A PG of Felton's skillset can NOT be shooting as poorly behind the arc as Felton is, particularly given his enthusiasm for shooting it.

I like Felton but he's living of some early good will with some of you.
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2/23/2011  11:44 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:We have our answer...

STEIN_LINE_HQ
Under current NBA rules, D-Will isn't eligible to sign an extension w/Nets until July 9. So this can NOT be an extend-and-trade like Melo

And the first chance he had to sign extension will be AFTER a new CBA is ratified.

NJ just took a HUGE, HUGE chance.

right... wow

guess Prokhorov is betting the new CBA doesn't let guys hop from place to place

I'm not going to call him crazy though... I think Williams is the best point guard in the game. You don't get the best without dropping your balls on the table

but then he has capped his team at Brooks/Deron. Which is caca

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2/23/2011  11:45 AM
Andrew wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
tkf wrote:and gave up less. I am sorry, gallo, chandler, felton, moz are better...

But Billups is better than Felton.

not by much and Felton's age (8? 9 years younger?) and much smaller salary make him the more valuable player. Billups will win you more games this year but he's old and a stop gap. Worst case is you could always extend Felton and have a high caliber rotation guy at a critical position

yeah I don't think Billups is an upgrade. He's obviously good, but there's no way he can play as many minutes as Felton. Which means way too much of Toney Douglas

I agree, but I think Melo makes TD better. TD can play the point and Melo can go into Iso mode which he is good at, and the Knicks can live without a true PG on the floor a little longer than before.

That's true. Just as long as he spaces properly. We all know TD isn't afraid to shoot.

I think Toney Douglas will end up looking best if he plays with an offguard who can distribute... the Kobes, Iguodalas, and Joe Johnsons of the world

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martin wrote:So here is my question to all: During CBA negotiations, does NJ want a franchise tag so that it helps them keep Deron, or do they want loosey-goosey trade rules so that they can grab another high-end FA to ensure that Deron stays?

Very astute question.

Frachise tag locks in Williams, but also prevents them from bringing in anything to build off the two pieces they have.
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2/23/2011  11:47 AM
I would rather pual anyway he's a better fit around amre and melo..besides that wedding toast seems to have some truth to it from what im hering in the streets
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2/23/2011  11:47 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
Andrew wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
tkf wrote:and gave up less. I am sorry, gallo, chandler, felton, moz are better...

But Billups is better than Felton.

not by much and Felton's age (8? 9 years younger?) and much smaller salary make him the more valuable player. Billups will win you more games this year but he's old and a stop gap. Worst case is you could always extend Felton and have a high caliber rotation guy at a critical position

yeah I don't think Billups is an upgrade. He's obviously good, but there's no way he can play as many minutes as Felton. Which means way too much of Toney Douglas

I agree, but I think Melo makes TD better. TD can play the point and Melo can go into Iso mode which he is good at, and the Knicks can live without a true PG on the floor a little longer than before.

That's true. Just as long as he spaces properly. We all know TD isn't afraid to shoot.

I think Toney Douglas will end up looking best if he plays with an offguard who can distribute... the Kobes, Iguodalas, and Joe Johnsons of the world

For me TD would excel in a triangle offense ala Derek Fisher. Note how Fisher doesn't run PnP, doesn't do too much with the ball in his hands. Kobe has the ball, Gasol does in the post and Fisher runs to spots and hits jumpers or makes cuts. That's TD's strengths.

Amare needs someone to feed him the ball on the move and in certain spots, not so with Melo.

We shall see how it works out.

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2/23/2011  11:48 AM
Just so you're all prepared, the spin is going to be Lopez for Dwight Howard for the latest big 2.
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2/23/2011  11:48 AM
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SupremeCommander wrote:yeah I don't think Billups is an upgrade. He's obviously good, but there's no way he can play as many minutes as Felton. Which means way too much of Toney Douglas

Once again we're left to trying to get people to realize Felton hasn't been playing well since mid-December.

Look at the splits.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/2753/raymond-felton

A PG of Felton's skillset can NOT be shooting as poorly behind the arc as Felton is, particularly given his enthusiasm for shooting it.

I like Felton but he's living of some early good will with some of you.

and Detroit won there chip a reallllllllllllllllllllllllly long time ago. I like Billups but I think he's living of some earlier in the career good will with some of you

I have a TON of gratitude for Felton changing the culture here. His attitude is a HUGE reason why the other guys we traded were desired.

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2/23/2011  11:49 AM
Alex Kennedy - 02/23/2011 11:38pm EST-

Sources confirm that the Utah Jazz have agreed to send Deron Williams to the New Jersey Nets. With more than 24 hours left before the deadline, that may not be New Jersey's only deal. Sources close to the situation say that the Nets are still looking at other deals that would surround Deron Williams with talent. They no longer consider themselves to be rebuilding and the next step is to put the right pieces around Williams so that he can be successful

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18860#ixzz1Enl51hVL

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2/23/2011  11:50 AM
martin wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Andrew wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
tkf wrote:and gave up less. I am sorry, gallo, chandler, felton, moz are better...

But Billups is better than Felton.

not by much and Felton's age (8? 9 years younger?) and much smaller salary make him the more valuable player. Billups will win you more games this year but he's old and a stop gap. Worst case is you could always extend Felton and have a high caliber rotation guy at a critical position

yeah I don't think Billups is an upgrade. He's obviously good, but there's no way he can play as many minutes as Felton. Which means way too much of Toney Douglas

I agree, but I think Melo makes TD better. TD can play the point and Melo can go into Iso mode which he is good at, and the Knicks can live without a true PG on the floor a little longer than before.

That's true. Just as long as he spaces properly. We all know TD isn't afraid to shoot.

I think Toney Douglas will end up looking best if he plays with an offguard who can distribute... the Kobes, Iguodalas, and Joe Johnsons of the world

For me TD would excel in a triangle offense ala Derek Fisher. Note has Fisher doesn't run PnP, doesn't do too much with the ball in his hands. Kobe has the ball, Gasol does in the post and Fisher runs to spots and hits jumpers or makes cuts. That's TD's strengths.

Amare needs someone to feed him the ball on the move and in certain spots, not so with Melo.

We shall see how it works out.

yeah... I said coming into the year that I thought TD would be the quick, less strong Derek Fisher. He's frustrated the hell out of me this year, but there is still hope he hits his potential

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2/23/2011  11:50 AM
Wow, did not see this one coming.

I guess after jerking their fans around (all 17 of them) for months in the Melodrama, Nets decided they needed to make a splash before Thursday.

I'm not convinced Deron will be there long term, especially if there's ANY legitimacy to the rumor of him wanting to play for NYK, but in the mean time, it's fun to see teams shake it up every now and then.

I'm not going to worry about any more stars to NY rumors until next year, but regardless of preference, I still believe CP3 to NY was much more likely than Deron to begin with.
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2/23/2011  11:51 AM
Who else could the Nets get at this point? Who's available?
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2/23/2011  11:51 AM
Post is reporting that the new CBA 'may' force Williams to have to resign with them.
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2/23/2011  11:51 AM
martin wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:We have our answer...

STEIN_LINE_HQ
Under current NBA rules, D-Will isn't eligible to sign an extension w/Nets until July 9. So this can NOT be an extend-and-trade like Melo

And the first chance he had to sign extension will be AFTER a new CBA is ratified.

NJ just took a HUGE, HUGE chance.

right... wow

guess Prokhorov is betting the new CBA doesn't let guys hop from place to place

I'm not going to call him crazy though... I think Williams is the best point guard in the game. You don't get the best without dropping your balls on the table

but then he has capped his team at Brooks/Deron. Which is caca

look, I think it's an obscene risk, but this dude is a self made billionaire... he made his money as the Russian economy was opening its doors to the rest of the world. He took advantage of the rule changes. I don't know what the union and the owners are discussing, but I'm willing to give this particular owner the benefit of the doubt here

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2/23/2011  11:53 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Post is reporting that the new CBA 'may' force Williams to have to resign with them.

The post reports a lot of things. Realistically the new CBA will make it more difficult for top FAs to leave but going to the extent to say that it will force someone to sign is just there to sell papers.

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