We've since found out.

People who don't like the trade endlessly trying to convince themselves Donnie Walsh really, secretly agrees with them.

Knickoftime wrote:Somebody commented last night now that the trade actually happened, what are KNicks fans going to talk about now.

We've since found out.

People who don't like the trade endlessly trying to convince themselves Donnie Walsh really, secretly agrees with them.

I don't think he secretly agrees with them--he blatantly agrees with them--be honest-you heard his voice.

Knickoftime wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:You seem like a smart fellow

Appearances can be deceiving.

Paladin55 wrote:Exactly what someone working for Dolan or Isiah would say.

LOL... BlueSeats isn't happy with me at the moment, but he can vouce I don't work for Isiah.

Isiah is perhaps the worst GM in the history of the NBA and I find him personally unlikeable in a visceral way few human people inspire in me.

Does that convince you? :-)

I've seen this in the movies before- you kill an ally to impress and deceive an enemy.

You've been trained well, but you're not fooling anyone.

Knickoftime wrote:

Markji wrote:K-O-T - In your opinion, do you think that this trade could have been completed without giving up either Mozgov and/or our 2014 pick if negotiations had been handled better before and during the weekend? (Meaning we give up Curry, Felton, Chandler, AR or trade for 1st round pick, and Gallo and maybe a 2nd round pick or 2??)

I have ZERO idea. When there are capable people in the room (and I give Walsh that credit) I tend to think things happened as they were going to.

The reason I can't answer the question of "if things were handled better before", is because I don't know they were handled badly at all.

I've seen different versions of this entire process, people are gravitating toward the version they like best.

I think 'Melo really might have went to NJ.

I think sometime as close to very recently, Denver would have really liked to have held onto Anthony.

I know if the names that we know had SOME involvement Walsh is probably the most astute, experienced and professional.

None of that is definitive, but at the end of the day my faith in Walsh isn't limited to the first time he's involved in something I'm thrilled with (which btw, I'm not. I would like liked to held into Mozgoz too). I'm not a "yeah-but-what-have-you-done-for-me-lately" sort of person.

i think just after the job he's done, buying into the Dolan-Isiah Thomas narrative is just a little too convenient for my tastes.

My respect for Walsh extends to not assuming he's sitting there selling himself out.

Your mileage may vary.

Go home dude--you're not fooling anyone--makes Dolan look worse that he planted stooges on a message board. Every last person here knows that Walsh did not want to do this deal--so please save it. You signed up about a month ago prepared for this sch-meal--so don't insult people's intelligence--it makes the Knicks look even dumber that they felt the need to plant stooges on a message board. Go tell Dolan to buy 2 million shares of IGOI and hold on to them for 5 years and I will gladly say he thought of it when it nets him 100mm $.

Knickoftime wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:You think Donnie is the kind of guy who needs to be coached on acting a gentleman?

First words outta his mouth, unsolicited mind you, was he is "very happy" with trade.

Sorry, but I still see arguing the Donnie Walsh is being less than genuine is fairly disrespectful of the man, not sympathetic to him. I don't see any way around that.

He's earned my trust. I me

What is it exactly that we are arguing here?

That a distinct possibility is at the end of the day, one of the reasons the trade was made was because Donnie Walsh agreed it should be made.

And if he would have preferred to hold out another player or two and played chicken till Thursday, or let it go to free agency, do you think you'd know that from today's press conference?

Knickoftime wrote:

Markji wrote:K-O-T - In your opinion, do you think that this trade could have been completed without giving up either Mozgov and/or our 2014 pick if negotiations had been handled better before and during the weekend? (Meaning we give up Curry, Felton, Chandler, AR or trade for 1st round pick, and Gallo and maybe a 2nd round pick or 2??)

I have ZERO idea. When there are capable people in the room (and I give Walsh that credit) I tend to think things happened as they were going to.

The reason I can't answer the question of "if things were handled better before", is because I don't know they were handled badly at all.

I've seen different versions of this entire process, people are gravitating toward the version they like best.

I think 'Melo really might have went to NJ.

I think sometime as close to very recently, Denver would have really liked to have held onto Anthony.

I know if the names that we know had SOME involvement Walsh is probably the most astute, experienced and professional.

None of that is definitive, but at the end of the day my faith in Walsh isn't limited to the first time he's involved in something I'm thrilled with (which btw, I'm not. I would like liked to held into Mozgoz too). I'm not a "yeah-but-what-have-you-done-for-me-lately" sort of person.

i think just after the job he's done, buying into the Dolan-Isiah Thomas narrative is just a little too convenient for my tastes.

My respect for Walsh extends to not assuming he's sitting there selling himself out.

Your mileage may vary.

I'll take that as a "maybe" because you have a strong opinion on everything that has gone down and that has been posted about this trade. You are a good debater, and are not wanting to create any doubt of the correctness of this trade because that is your position.

To explain how "NO" can really mean "Maybe" do you know the old joke of how a Lady and a Diplomat are similar but opposite?

Knickoftime wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:And if he would have preferred to hold out another player or two and played chicken till Thursday, or let it go to free agency, do you think you'd know that from today's press conference?

Absolutely not.

I'm always going to lose when asked to disprove wholesale speculation and assumption.

You can't really "prove" trust either so this whole debate is a waste of words, the exact number of which I have not counted. Have you?

BlueSeats wrote:You can't really "prove" trust either so this whole debate is a waste of words, the exact number of which I have not counted. Have you?

15,171.

Knickoftime wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:You can't really "prove" trust either so this whole debate is a waste of words, the exact number of which I have not counted. Have you?

15,171.

I'm waiting on verification from basketballjones.