BRIGGS wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

giantfan216 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im calling it now. we had a good team that we couldve built into a champion and just blew it up and gave away every last asset we could while holding deep leverage.

LMAO...Whats championship? NIT? Give me a break this was an average team at best. Dont overrate the team just because we stunk for 7 straight years and managed to climb 2 games over .500.

Agree 100% as Bill Parcells used to say "you are what your record says you are" and we were a barely above .500 team with a lot of very likable complimentary parts surrounding 1 superstar carrying a huge load. This is a league where stars come at a premium both in trades and FA and now we have two. If our biggest problem now is finding other pieces o compliment the
I can live with that.

What we gave up

a 26 year old PG for a 34 year old who does not want to be here and we wont ahev cap space when he is done in2 years.

2 young burgeoning forwards 22-23 who had all the ability in the world to avarge 20 points and 6-7 rebounds on the SAME team

1 7-1 260 pound 24 athletic C with a ton of upside and he showed it in that 24-14-3 game

a 6-11 210 PF who never got a chance here thats lamar odom compared to a young HIM. This was also a 1st round draft pick take your pick Den used it on salary relief

an additional unrestricted 2014 and two additional 2's in 2012 and 2013 with (lets say 21's and 2 2's)

CAP space of atleast 13mm

for a 26 year old SF 25 pt scorer who plays a similar game to Amare

the collective assets and pieces is staggering staggering

anyone comparing this to the KG is out fo their mind--we gave up more and carmelo is not KG or even close.

We blew this team up for one player--who we likely couldve had for nothing he was not going to NJ--this is the worst used car dealer we got played for a would be free agent in 30 games in NBA history bar none take it to the bank

That's your assessment..not the definite truth. IN my view we gave up a PG guard that looked very average the last month, two inconsistent Wing Men who on several nights lost us games but simply disapearing or plain stinking up the court, and a 7'1 Russian Project that has shown us something in what 5 games? Gonna miss Gallo, Felton & Chandler but I'm fine with Melo and billups as replacements.

Lots of things change in the span of 3 months..don't think taking a chance to get Melo in Free Agency would be a smart move. You have a chance to get an Elite player you go for it.

your not including the player we couldve had with cap space of 13mm+--honestly and very likely the same guy we just traded for and if not still a grta player. mutliple draft picks that have come back and haunt us time after time. Gallo and WC were hit by injury and they are 22-23 lets see how they are over the next 2-3 years. i predict gallo will be a 20 point scorer.

im not going to repeat myself--we got played liek dogs.

I respect your opinion but be prepared to eat those words by next season. I see Gallo as who he is now and without the coddling of D'Antoni he might even regress. David Lee syndrome. We all talk about their age but Real Wing Stars usually blossom already..Look at Melo, Lebron, Wade, Durant at the same age. Both Chandler and Gallo are ok players and wish them the best but they will never sniff Melo's prowess or dare I say Billups career. Also by 2012 we will have our cap space back..not really that serious.

CrushAlot wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im calling it now. we had a good team that we couldve built into a champion and just blew it up and gave away every last asset we could while holding deep leverage.

On July 17, 1992, Charles Barkley was traded to the Phoenix Suns in exchange for Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry and Andrew Lang. I think that trade was a lot worse.
Gallo and Chandler could average 20 points and six rebounds, but Gallo back could go out at any second. Who knows? I can say that right now, we have a forward who score with anyone in the league. We have two All Stars and and a very good, if not creaky, point guard. Billups might not be here in two years, but you could have said the same thing about Felton if he was still here. We could've let our players develop and they might have developed into a championship team. The most likely scenario is that we would've turned into the Atlanta Hawks, a group of young guys and superstar, and use that term loosely, who get the fifth see every year and get bounced out of the playoffs.We need to make bold moves if we want to have a legitinate shot at the title and this is a step in the right direction.

Felton was 17 and 9, Chandler was 16 and 6 plus 1.4 blocks, Gallo was 15 and 5. The oldest guy in that group is 26. Randolph was a lottery pick, has put up big numbers and is only 21. Moz was a favorite of the fans, the coaching staff and apparently other teams were very interested in him. The Knicks gave up a kings ransom last year to get Mc Grady's expiring contract. This year they sent Curry's ll mil expiring out along with the 3 mil he was owed for the rest of the season. The Knicks also gave up the only first round pick they could trade in the next 5 years. How is that not worse than the Barkley trade?

Philly got one bench guy, decent starter at shooting guard, and a guy who amounted to nothing and was out of the league four years later. In essence, they traded Jeff Hornacek, a solid guard, for a hall of famer who still had a few monster season left in him. How can you not tell me that wasn't a worse trade. I mean, I like Jeff Hornacek, and I can't still can't justify that trade. Also, if you account for minutes played, Billups more than holds his own against Felton. Do I have concerns about his age? Heck yeah. But he'll be gone in two years--just like Raymond probably would've. Right now, Chandler and Gallo are solid NBA forwards. It's not a given that either one will turn into a star.As for Anthony Randolph, the kids wasn't working. Don Nelson runs one of the most player friendly systems in the league and he couldn't make it there. Maybe a low pressure situation like Minnesota is what he needs.

That said, I have mixed feelings. This isn't the worst trade in history, that's preposterous. But it's hard for me to get excited. I retired that part of my brain after The Decision, and wasn't a huge fan of the Amar'e trade, but was proven wrong there.

I am weary after the melodrama of this, and I really haven't watched Melo play much. But looking forward to watching some basketball games and rooting for the orange and blue.

BlueSeats wrote:$5 say there'll be another trade by Thursday and Briggs will be pegging us for 60 wins.

+1

Real wing stars? Durant, Wade, Lebron that's some measuring stick to justify your point. List three of the top 6 wings in the last 20 years. Our guys were doing just fine and progressing nicely in the flow of the offense. You want to give Gallo 20 shots a night he average 22 if that's the case.

We got back crap talent in Brewer, Balkman, Carter and Williams add those guys to Rautins and Mason Jr and that's nearly half a roster of guys that bring nothing to the table.

FoeDiddy wrote:

MooK wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:

MooK wrote:Can somebody tell me when Carmelo Anthony became a superstar?

when did gallo, chandler, felton become superstars?

Whether you like Melo or not, his stats don't lie. He's got the rest of his knick career to define his legacy.
Dude has skills!
We got 2 all-stars, 1 veteran pg. We can make some noise in the playoffs.

Melo was on Dream Team, perennial All-Star..has carried his team to 50+ wins almost every year, Won a NCAA title damn near by himself, gives Lebron fits on the offensive end..He is indeed a Superstar. Not even close..there is Kobe, Lebron, Wade and Melo just below that 3.

So where do Dirk, Durant, Howard and Rose fall? My problem isn't really with Melo. I'd take him on my squad any day of the week...unless of course you're asking for all of my assets + I gotta pay him 20 mil per. Melo is what I'd call a star player. I feel like a true superstar shows leadership, raises the level of play of those around him and plays hard on both ends of the court. I don't really see any of that in Carmelo Anthony. Basically what I'm saying is, I like pairing Melo with Stat but I'm upset because Isiah got fleeced.

From that pool last ten seconds you need a gamewinner who do you want with the ball...Kobe, Wade, Melo & Dirk...with Durant trailing a little. Lebron is not as clutch as Melo by the way. Melo plays hard on defense by the way..Not as strong as Wade and Lebron but he is no slouch and has great pride.

If we're talking gamewinners then I'm taking the four guys you mentioned plus Jamal Crawford, Paul Pierce, Rudy Gay, Manu Ginobili and possibly even a guy like Tim Thomas over several top 10 players. But what about if you need a defensive stop?

SupremeCommander wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

sportsguy33 Bill Simmons
In a 30-team league, the Knicks now have 2 of the 10 guys who started yesterday's All-Star Game. That deal was a no-brainer.
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exactly

The term "no-brainer" is one of my least favorite terms. I especially hate it when it is used in reference to any deal the Knicks are a part of.