joec32033 wrote:Nalod, let me start off by you are one of the wittier more creative posters here.You have also spent the last few years coining this term in a negative light in the context of this board and when you brand someone with it I can see it getting offensive. Hell, it offends me when you label this move or that move a starphuck when it is a move I agree with.
It seems that going after any big ticket guy while giving up youth is a starphuck now with you. I understood the meaning when you coined it here under Zeke's reign. You have morphed it to generalize any move that is not youth development oriented. And you portray it as a cheap way to win. Even going so far as to talk down to TMS because he is a starphucker and that is his philosophy..etc.
When you work hard to coin a phrase as an insult and then start calling people that phrase, you have no right to act surprised if they go off.
This thread was a bait for TMS to bite on. Let me reiterate that you are one of the better more knowledgeable posters here, but I have seen you bait some guys before just needling for a reaction. Unfortunately for TMS he took the bait. Martin didn't help by getting involved either, even though his intentions were good. He did-at least to me also- come off more on your side of the fence then TMS' and was a bit more standoffish then he implied in his response to TMS on the first page of this thread.
I also don't understand how Martin egging you on at the beginning of this thread could have been seen by him as a way to diffuse this situation.
Martin I have never been a mod, so please take this as an observation from the other side of the fence. In the position of mod, you seem to be in the unenviable position of being the boss while being one of the guys. I get it. I also get everyone has favorites. But when you are trying to diffuse a situation as a mod I can see why TMS would get upset. You didn't come off as neutral.
Also as an aside, certain posters here have earned quite a bit of respect and latitude. I have seen Nalod post some images back when that would have gotten others banned without so much as a stern talking to. Posters like Nalod, Silver, TMS, Bip, Briggs, HARDCORE to name a few have really earned their stripes here. I am not suggesting carte blanc but they have earned respect. The way you told TMS to post elsewhere was disrespectful, insulting, and quite honestly, dissapointing.
Nalod, I can understand the issues some guys are pointing out that they have with your posting style. Personally I find your postings comical-in a good way-even though I can see where people can see you coming off as smug or arrogant. I am not telling you how to post, but be aware that if you purposefully come off that way don't be surprised when sometimes posters go off.
TMS, if you are reading this, take some time off come back when you are ready.
Joe, It was Nalod whom started an appreciation thread for TMS landmark 40,000 post! It was sincere. Quite remarkable count!
I reread my "young persons guide" and find little to put anyone over the edge. It is consistent with a large body of my work. My attempts to be smug or arrogant is actually satirical. I mean really, who the phuch is anyone to define who a "Starphucher" is or is not? Is the term or such a subject itself not ridiculous?
The title refers to a a famous body of work and subsequent tv show: "The classical TV series Young Person's Guide to the Orchestra was created by famed world-renowned orchestra conductor Leonard Bernstein, in 1960. Bernstein created the show for the purpose of exposing young viewers, mainly school-aged children, not just to European classical music, but to various kinds of orchestral instruments as well. It was a weekly show on CBS, and then PBS picked up the show in 1972."
"A young persons guide" was kind of like the "Dummies" books made popular in the 1990's. Maybe "Starphuch for Dummies" might have resonated a bit better.
Regarding TMS I rarely if ever argued in bad manner nor did he. We just did not see eye to eye and perhaps only in my "Guide" did I ever engage him vs his point of view. There is a difference. Like if I say "your stupid" or I say "your view is stupid". I was engaged by him and maybe Martin knowing I'd run with it and what an ******* I can be thought it might be of amusement to declare once and for all the validity of "Starphuch".
TMS posted with great frequency and was redundant in his attempt to not just argue his views but perhaps convert one to change. Thats cool, but any "mission" takes emotion motivation. Maybe one only has 40,000 posts in them and then boils over?
Regarding past posters and their reasons for leaving I can only give you my take and not theirs. Its my opinion they kind of boiled over and when a Mod asks to knock it off you either take it down a notch or leave. In private Martin has asked me to do so and I had a choice to either take my act down or take it home. I choose to comply. My choice.
THis is martins house and has lasted years due to his mod style. Its not denying free speech as this is not a public forum. Its Martins house. Martin will send you an off the grid E-mail and outline whats up.
Also many posts that state ones personal opinion as if they were in the know are asked to verify. If you can't then its not valid. To say "Walsh could have traded XXXXX player but blew it" is different than "I feel that walsh blew it if he could have traded XXX". I think if your called out a few times to verify statements but don't it becomes a problem.
Me thinks TMS is a good dude and really did not read to all his posts as they were too frequent.
His parting words dictated he was offended he "invested" much by his 40k posts and felt little in return. Perhaps we each have a personal level of satisfaction we try to achieve here. His words reminded me of a scorned marriage partner who "gave the best years of my life to this marriage" and feels cheated. My interpretation. He can better answer the question.
If my "manifesto" was the issue that pushed him off the ledge of appreciation then perhaps he was already leaning pretty far anyway.
I am frequent to mention that there is not right or wrong to doing things, its entertainment, and its a business. Also the Ultimate Knicks is entertainment for us.
UK has a history of great posters that boil over and choose to leave either by not posting or by rules defined and they have chosen to not adhere to.
We are like family here and like all families there are disagreements.
But when one door closes two more open. This place thrives on the exchange of ideas not redundancy.
2/21/2011 1:34 PM
