TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:We should be able to meet in the middle on this. More than our original offer, but not as much as the Nuggets are asking. This deal gets done IMO. The risks for both teams are too high not to find a way to make a good compromise. We came in too low and now they've come back too high. Just get the deal done already. We've got 3 games before the deadline and i'd like to see this deal done before the 3rd game against the Bucks.

this is how negotiations generally work... 1 side presents their lowball offer, the other side presents their extreme demands, & you try & meet somewhere in the middle... i have no doubt DW is gonna do what he can to get this deal done w/o having to gut the entire roster, but you need 2 to tango... if DEN isn't willing to be reasonable in this then the only thing we need to worry about is whether Dolan panics & agrees to giving up everything DEN wants to get the deal done, which is always a legitimate threat.

Funny thing is that even if we do "gut the Team" so to speak, I still think in the long run it would be worth it. People tend to understate how much impact great players have on teams. You just look at the Heat and if you take the 2 top guys off the team what do they have? So even if we don't have a super deep team right after the trade, that doesn't mean we won't be able to fill in the spots we need at some point in the offseason or later. I do know that you have ONE ELITE guy that's actually available for us to get right now and so if you end up having to overspend I think you have to do it. But still I think we'll be able to meet in the middle tho.

if the circumstances were different & DEN had other options open to them to deal Melo to then a much better case could be made to "gut the roster" to get an elite talent, but that isn't the case here... DEN has 1 real trade option available to them, us... if they choose not to deal with us then they leave the Melo situation up to blind faith that he'll agree to an extension by this July... are they willing to take that risk? IMO we need to present them with enough of a good offer to offset their concern about being made to look like fools in this trade & yet not completely cave in to all their extraneous demands for every single asset we own... i think a happy medium can easily be reached but both parties need to be willing to sacrifice a little & compromise.

Man I wish I could trust Melo in the offseason, but I get the feeling that this guy will cave when faced with the prospect of maybe not getting all his money. Maybe i'm wrong, but he's been giving me mixed signals and I don't fully trust him.

put urself in his shoes... he's a top 10 player in the NBA & has pretty much giftwrapped himself for the Knicks to make a move for him, & he's getting impatient to sign that extension with a lockout & new CBA looming in a few months... if the team you've pretty much made it obvious that you want to play for is still hesitant on trading for you because they're scared of losing someone like Landry Fields or Danilo Gallinari, do u think they value your services as much as u would hope they do? if we aren't at least willing to try & tailor our offer to try & meet SOME of the Nuggets' desired pieces & reach a happy middle ground, then we really don't deserve to have him to begin with if u ask me... an offer of Wilson, AR & Curry's expiring is a ridiculous lowball offer, i don't think anyone could blame DEN for turning that down... on the other hand if we're willing to go as high as giving them Gallo, Fields, Curry's expiring, Mozgov & a future #1, that will at least let DEN save a little face in these dealings & we still get the guy we covet while still holding onto 2 talented young pieces of our own... it's a win win scenario IMHO... no one feels taken advantage of & everyone's happy... except for the Melo haters who think he's 2nd tier but that changes after his first 40 pt statline in a Knicks uniform guaranteed.

I understand what you're saying. I guess I just wish he would play hardball with Denver, which would help his future team out. If he gave them no hope of signing him that would force their hand, but instead he said he'd be open to the idea of signing if we don't get a deal done. That gave the Nuggets some leverage back. He should've just kept silent and let this play out. His agent had shutdown the other teams with his comments which helped us, but Melo gave it back with his.

crzymdups wrote:i gotta say, at this point, i don't see melo ending up on the knicks. i just don't see it happening. sucks that it ruined our season and weren't not even going to get him.

Uptown wrote:

TMS wrote:i think the Knicks gotta be willing to negotiate in good faith to expect anything to get done... trying to pull a fast one on Denver for their franchise guy by bending them over a barrel isn't a good way to approach these dealings... we're talking about an elite talent in his prime, not some wannabe star player with baggage that the other team wants to desperately unload... unless DW is willing to give a little in these negotiations, then nothing will get done & we'll have to take the same risk that Denver is facing this summer.

Couldn't agree more. How can we expect to trade two non ration players (Curry and Randolph) and Chandler who probably walks in the summer anyway for an allstar caliber player? I think we need to include one of Gallo and Feilds in the deal just to get Denver somewhat interested.

I'm pretty sure that is what's going to happen. DW will step up his offer by adding one of Gallo or Fields, but not Moz.

orangeblobman wrote:

skeng wrote:Of course DW starts with the low ball offer of Chan, Curry, AR. I don't think Melo should look down upon Donnie trying to build a contender. I mean, isn't winning a priority for Melo? So under the circumstances I don't think DW's initial offer is disrespectful. It's just how the market is with Melo right now - I mean, he said he only wanted the Knicks. But he screwed the pooch by saying that he'd consider resigning with Den if a deal wasn't done. my head hurts

It's just the sad state of the NBA, when you have 'star' players making demands, trying to engineer their futures while under bloated deals. Everyone loses in the ****storm of negativity that's swirling around at least three teams right now.

It's not a good look.

And look, it's just stupid to sign your name on a contract and then whine and moan to get off it on a whim.

I don't remember Timmy Duncan or Dirk ever pulling some **** like this.

Screw you, Melo.

so only great players stay happy where they are & never want to be moved to a different situation? tell that to Lebron, Shaq, Kareem & KG.

TMS wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

skeng wrote:Of course DW starts with the low ball offer of Chan, Curry, AR. I don't think Melo should look down upon Donnie trying to build a contender. I mean, isn't winning a priority for Melo? So under the circumstances I don't think DW's initial offer is disrespectful. It's just how the market is with Melo right now - I mean, he said he only wanted the Knicks. But he screwed the pooch by saying that he'd consider resigning with Den if a deal wasn't done. my head hurts

It's just the sad state of the NBA, when you have 'star' players making demands, trying to engineer their futures while under bloated deals. Everyone loses in the ****storm of negativity that's swirling around at least three teams right now.

It's not a good look.

And look, it's just stupid to sign your name on a contract and then whine and moan to get off it on a whim.

I don't remember Timmy Duncan or Dirk ever pulling some **** like this.

Screw you, Melo.

so only great players stay happy where they are & never want to be moved to a different situation? tell that to Lebron, Shaq, Kareem & KG.

Tell that to Kobe also, who almost forced his way out of LA.

TMS wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

TMS wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

skeng wrote:Of course DW starts with the low ball offer of Chan, Curry, AR. I don't think Melo should look down upon Donnie trying to build a contender. I mean, isn't winning a priority for Melo? So under the circumstances I don't think DW's initial offer is disrespectful. It's just how the market is with Melo right now - I mean, he said he only wanted the Knicks. But he screwed the pooch by saying that he'd consider resigning with Den if a deal wasn't done. my head hurts

It's just the sad state of the NBA, when you have 'star' players making demands, trying to engineer their futures while under bloated deals. Everyone loses in the ****storm of negativity that's swirling around at least three teams right now.

It's not a good look.

And look, it's just stupid to sign your name on a contract and then whine and moan to get off it on a whim.

I don't remember Timmy Duncan or Dirk ever pulling some **** like this.

Screw you, Melo.

so only great players stay happy where they are & never want to be moved to a different situation? tell that to Lebron, Shaq, Kareem & KG.

Tell that to Kobe also, who almost forced his way out of LA.

didn't Patrick Ewing ask to be traded too?

Yup. I think back in 91 or so. Riley was hired then he had to convince Pat to stay I think.

CHAOS wrote:Denver wants Mozgov, Chandler, Gallo, Brewer and 2 first rd picks to start with

NO WAY!!!

jimimou wrote:

"It takes a strong-willed person, a strong-minded person to go out there and deal with the stuff I deal with, and still go out and work every day and perform on a nightly basis," Anthony also said last week.

"I take my hat off to myself for dealing with all the stuff that's going on and still be able to play at the highest level I can play at. I don't really think the average person can walk in my shoes."Dude, you can leave your hat on.

Narcissism for teh win

skeng wrote:

jimimou wrote:

"It takes a strong-willed person, a strong-minded person to go out there and deal with the stuff I deal with, and still go out and work every day and perform on a nightly basis," Anthony also said last week.

"I take my hat off to myself for dealing with all the stuff that's going on and still be able to play at the highest level I can play at. I don't really think the average person can walk in my shoes."Dude, you can leave your hat on.

Narcissism for teh win

Did he really say that?