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2/11/2011  3:27 PM
I dunno, fields reminds me of Doug Christie. He does the little things that help you win. I would give them Chandler, 1st rounder, Curry, Billy Walker or try to buy another 1st rounder. Fields and Gallo and Mosgov stay put.
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2/11/2011  3:29 PM
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The only thing is his not very good at is his midrange jump.

Slim, you gotta watch the games.

how about post up? nah...

draws contact around the basket. Has the highest PPS (points per shot) of any Knick except Turiaf and one of the better in the league. He draws fouls where he shoots almost 90% from the line. He's great in the open court. He dribbles around slow guys and draws contact on smaller faster ones. Excellent court vision off the dribble. Protects the ball well. Throws it down with authority. He defends multiple positions. He hits big shots... and yea he's one dimensional.

He's not a mature player yet and at 22 he's still very inconsistent. One dimensional he isnt

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2/11/2011  4:31 PM
fishmike wrote:
SlimChin wrote:
Nalod wrote:
The only thing is his not very good at is his midrange jump.

Slim, you gotta watch the games.

how about post up? nah...

draws contact around the basket. Has the highest PPS (points per shot) of any Knick except Turiaf and one of the better in the league. He draws fouls where he shoots almost 90% from the line. He's great in the open court. He dribbles around slow guys and draws contact on smaller faster ones. Excellent court vision off the dribble. Protects the ball well. Throws it down with authority. He defends multiple positions. He hits big shots... and yea he's one dimensional.

He's not a mature player yet and at 22 he's still very inconsistent. One dimensional he isnt

I agree with what you are saying. I would keep Gallo over Fields. However, my willingness to include Gallo in any trade is based on his inconsistency. I love the dynamic we are seeing this year where he is drawing more fouls. I enjoy seeing him shoot in the 4th quarter where he is demanding the ball and shooting with ice in his veins. Even in that crappy game against the Blakers, he shot 1 for 8 from 3 (pitiful!!!) but somehow managed to shoot 14 free throws.

I don't think people should question Gallo's skill set. But he is not a superstar right now and you need to consider the long term plan. If the plan in motion is to add Melo and then a 3rd "superstar" from the 2012 class (when Gallo and AR become restricted Free Agents), the Knicks will need to choose between Gallo and that 2012 free agent class.

If the Knicks are making the move for Melo, to me it means that the idea is a combination of three stars versus creating a "deep" squad. If that is the case, they should consolidate their assets now and get as much talent as possible here and now. If I can get a Chris Paul (or I am still all for Kevin Martin) at the cost of including Gallo, I still make the move.

Call me a "starphucker" but, I think you need at least 2 superstars and probably more than that to win a chip in this league.

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2/11/2011  4:40 PM
StillaKnicksfan wrote:I dunno, fields reminds me of Doug Christie. He does the little things that help you win. I would give them Chandler, 1st rounder, Curry, Billy Walker or try to buy another 1st rounder. Fields and Gallo and Mosgov stay put.

I like this idea

I would pull trigger on Felton for Billups swap as well if we can keep those 3

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2/11/2011  4:44 PM
umynot wrote:
StillaKnicksfan wrote:I dunno, fields reminds me of Doug Christie. He does the little things that help you win. I would give them Chandler, 1st rounder, Curry, Billy Walker or try to buy another 1st rounder. Fields and Gallo and Mosgov stay put.

I like this idea

I would pull trigger on Felton for Billups swap as well if we can keep those 3

Agreed, but then the backup PG really becomes a priority.

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2/11/2011  5:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2011  5:34 PM
fishmike wrote:
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MooK wrote:You keeping Fields over Gallo?...tough call cause both are a good fit, but I'd keep Gallo.

I would keep Fields over Gallo too. Fields is the best in the lwague at his position at something. Gallo is great one game and mediocre the next three

I don't think you can go wrong with either player but ultimately I like Gallo better. I like his shooting, driving, passing, and defense more. The only real knock on him is he's inconsistent. He'd be deadly if you added Melo and Billups to this team.

gallo and melo both play the 3. i'd rather keep fields. doesn't need the ball to be successful. WAY more consistent as a rookie than these guys.

Fields is more consistent in his role, but he's not asked to do as much. Both players fit but I really like Gallo's versatility, especially on defense.

yea but who's he gonna be guarding? melo is gonna guard 3s. 2s are too quick for gallo.in my view, gallo and chandler are both redundant with melo.

fields isn't asked to do much and yet he's arguably the knicks best rebounder. he isn't asked to do much but he has been more consistent than gallo and chandler all year. fields always makes the right pass, has a nose for the ball, and actually fits at the 2. i don't think we've seen the ceiling from fields.

if it were another player i'd probably rank it differently but melo is a 3, so is gallo, so is chandler. let's keep fields.

you know when the Knicks started to come back on the Clippers? When Gallo started guarding Baron Davis. We have seen this several times from him and its not acknowledged around here because for some reason people really like to hate on Gallo above all other players. Its looks like vmart and sergio's anti Gallo campain is finally working. Gallo is a 6'10 guy who has shown he can guard smaller quicker players. He's got great court vision. He's ultra crafty getting to the line and while is game is somewhat limited to long jumpers and drives to the lane he's damn good at both. He's also awesome on the break and is one of our highest IQ players.

To me the formula is simple... we need to keep Mosgov and Gallo. Gallo spreads the floor and Mosgov is the size and athleticism upfront we are so desperate for. Neither Mos or Gallo are ready for a title run yet, but both are maturing quickly, both work very hard and are dedicated to improving on BOTH sides of the ball.

I like both Chandler and Fields, but they are easier to find then a 6'10 wing who can guard 1s, 2s and 3s, spread the floor and get to the line or a 7'1 skilled athletic true center.

The lineup you want to go to war with is this:
PG Felton
SG Melo 6'8
SF Gallo 6'10
PF Amare 6'10
C Mosgov 7'1

Thats a starting line up with elite skill and athleticism. You want to be elite you create huge mismatches every night.

Gallo draws and ASKS to guard the opposing teams best scorer every night. Is he a lock down defender? Obviously not, but he is certainly effective playing that role. Melo, Amare and Gallo are a legit big 3 with Mos and Felton bringing huge things themselves. Your not going to find better depth than that.

fishmike i respect your opinion but i disagree with you. baron davis is playing on a bum knee. he's having far and away the worst yr of his career spare his rookie season when he was 19. clyde and breen were even talking during that game about how he's lost a step. to say that he's an example of a "quick" player is just not accurate.

i like the gallo mismatch you show, and think that he gives you flexibility b/c he can play multiple positions. the issue is that gallo and chandler both give the knicks the same versatility melo does.

the fact of the matter is we've been waiting for 3 seasons now for gallinari to be more consistent and he hasn't. as a rookie, fields has shown himself to be a better rebounder AND a better shooter. fields shot 28% from 3 in november, and then in december and january he upped his percentage to 43%. the guy clearly works hard on his game and doesn't have the ups and downs of gallo.

i like gallo a lot as a player. he's carried us to a bunch of W's this year with big shots. that being said, he disappears for games at a time, doesn't rebound for a guy with good size at his position, and needs the ball to score.

melo and STAT are going to be two HIGH volume scorers. fields is a lot better of an option as a 3rd banana. he doesn't need plays run for him, he'll continue to get a ton of rebounds from the 2 spot, he'll be an efficient 40% 3 point shooter, and he'll continue to improve. he is 2 months older than gallo so to say one has more potential than the other is misleading. they are the same age, gallo's been playing pro-ball since he was in his teens. fields was a walk on at stanford and is now a starer in the NBA, and has been a consistent contributor from game 1, something we are still waiting for out of gallinari. if fields shot isn't falling, he still rebounds, he still makes hustle plays and gets loose balls, he still makes the extra pass. if gallo's shot isnt falling he disappears. i love how much gallo gets to the line and how he can take over if he's hot, but i'll take consistency over potential any day of the week, especially if melo and stoudemire are both going to be on the team.

if the nuggets ask the knicks to give them 2 of 3 the right guy to keep is fields. he just fits a LOT better than gallinari.

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2/11/2011  6:26 PM
its interesting when people suggest gallo disappears from watching all the games when he does play inconsistent i thinks its because he is not getting enough touches and shots...look at how many less fga he has then stat felton chandler even when he has gotten hot this year we then stop going to him for long stretches right after.... i have always believed he needs the ball in his hands more keep him involved so he cant disappear and when he does have the ball in his hands good things usual happen
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2/11/2011  6:29 PM
abs wrote:its interesting when people suggest gallo disappears from watching all the games when he does play inconsistent i thinks its because he is not getting enough touches and shots...look at how many less fga he has then stat felton chandler even when he has gotten hot this year we then stop going to him for long stretches right after.... i have always believed he needs the ball in his hands more keep him involved so he cant disappear and when he does have the ball in his hands good things usual happen

I agree. I wonder how much better Gallo would play with more of a pass first PG? You could also say that for the rest of the team.

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2/11/2011  6:40 PM
abs wrote:its interesting when people suggest gallo disappears from watching all the games when he does play inconsistent i thinks its because he is not getting enough touches and shots...look at how many less fga he has then stat felton chandler even when he has gotten hot this year we then stop going to him for long stretches right after.... i have always believed he needs the ball in his hands more keep him involved so he cant disappear and when he does have the ball in his hands good things usual happen

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2/11/2011  6:44 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
abs wrote:its interesting when people suggest gallo disappears from watching all the games when he does play inconsistent i thinks its because he is not getting enough touches and shots...look at how many less fga he has then stat felton chandler even when he has gotten hot this year we then stop going to him for long stretches right after.... i have always believed he needs the ball in his hands more keep him involved so he cant disappear and when he does have the ball in his hands good things usual happen

I agree. I wonder how much better Gallo would play with more of a pass first PG? You could also say that for the rest of the team.

part of being a go-to player is demanding the ball. in the games you are watching do you notice when amare demands the ball and takes his man? i've seen gallo do that very rarely. look at all the top scorers -- lebron, kobe, durant -- if they're not getting the ball they don't just stand passively in the corner. that's what gallo does. its as much on him as it is the coach or felton.

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2/11/2011  6:54 PM
agree he doesnt demand it..he needs to do that ....but why put a talent like him all the way in the corner...felton looks to amare most times for either pnr or elbow jumper...he is not yet an elite player like u mention not sure he ever get to that class but ..has the potential...but you have to get touches... the ball... picks /plays run for you to take that step..basketball is played best when five guys touchthe ball not 2 or 3..
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2/11/2011  7:13 PM
BigSm00th wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
abs wrote:its interesting when people suggest gallo disappears from watching all the games when he does play inconsistent i thinks its because he is not getting enough touches and shots...look at how many less fga he has then stat felton chandler even when he has gotten hot this year we then stop going to him for long stretches right after.... i have always believed he needs the ball in his hands more keep him involved so he cant disappear and when he does have the ball in his hands good things usual happen

I agree. I wonder how much better Gallo would play with more of a pass first PG? You could also say that for the rest of the team.

part of being a go-to player is demanding the ball. in the games you are watching do you notice when amare demands the ball and takes his man? i've seen gallo do that very rarely. look at all the top scorers -- lebron, kobe, durant -- if they're not getting the ball they don't just stand passively in the corner. that's what gallo does. its as much on him as it is the coach or felton.

Demanding the ball? A PG shouldn't have to wait for anyone to demand anything, if he is open, if he has the hot hand, give him the ball. I've seen gallo put his arms up to signal he's free, other than that its Felton's job to be distribute the ball within the flow of the offense. I was seeing it during that streak earlier in the season but I don't see much of that now, those assist numbers don't tell the whole story. The only guy who should be demanding the ball is Stat, the rest of them Felton should find without them having to tell him anything.

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2/11/2011  10:07 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
abs wrote:its interesting when people suggest gallo disappears from watching all the games when he does play inconsistent i thinks its because he is not getting enough touches and shots...look at how many less fga he has then stat felton chandler even when he has gotten hot this year we then stop going to him for long stretches right after.... i have always believed he needs the ball in his hands more keep him involved so he cant disappear and when he does have the ball in his hands good things usual happen

I agree. I wonder how much better Gallo would play with more of a pass first PG? You could also say that for the rest of the team.

part of being a go-to player is demanding the ball. in the games you are watching do you notice when amare demands the ball and takes his man? i've seen gallo do that very rarely. look at all the top scorers -- lebron, kobe, durant -- if they're not getting the ball they don't just stand passively in the corner. that's what gallo does. its as much on him as it is the coach or felton.

Demanding the ball? A PG shouldn't have to wait for anyone to demand anything, if he is open, if he has the hot hand, give him the ball. I've seen gallo put his arms up to signal he's free, other than that its Felton's job to be distribute the ball within the flow of the offense. I was seeing it during that streak earlier in the season but I don't see much of that now, those assist numbers don't tell the whole story. The only guy who should be demanding the ball is Stat, the rest of them Felton should find without them having to tell him anything.

no, the point is, when the knicks O is sputtering gallo has to say "gimme the ball i'm gonna get to the line or get a bucket." dirk does it, kobe does it, durant does it, paul pierce does it. its the sign of a go to offensive player. if gallo wants to be that guy, which i think he could, its on him to say "get me the goddamn ball and get outta the way." its not on felton. felton isn't steve nash and that's not how it works. you think MJ would wait for ron harper to find him? hell no. he said "throw me the ball and get outta the way." i know i sound like mark jackson but its true. gallo has the skills, there are games he gets to the line 10+ times and he's had big scoring nights. the fact that he doesn't score 20 a game is on gallo for not wanting it. he has the talent.

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2/11/2011  10:58 PM
BigSm00th wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
abs wrote:its interesting when people suggest gallo disappears from watching all the games when he does play inconsistent i thinks its because he is not getting enough touches and shots...look at how many less fga he has then stat felton chandler even when he has gotten hot this year we then stop going to him for long stretches right after.... i have always believed he needs the ball in his hands more keep him involved so he cant disappear and when he does have the ball in his hands good things usual happen

I agree. I wonder how much better Gallo would play with more of a pass first PG? You could also say that for the rest of the team.

part of being a go-to player is demanding the ball. in the games you are watching do you notice when amare demands the ball and takes his man? i've seen gallo do that very rarely. look at all the top scorers -- lebron, kobe, durant -- if they're not getting the ball they don't just stand passively in the corner. that's what gallo does. its as much on him as it is the coach or felton.

Demanding the ball? A PG shouldn't have to wait for anyone to demand anything, if he is open, if he has the hot hand, give him the ball. I've seen gallo put his arms up to signal he's free, other than that its Felton's job to be distribute the ball within the flow of the offense. I was seeing it during that streak earlier in the season but I don't see much of that now, those assist numbers don't tell the whole story. The only guy who should be demanding the ball is Stat, the rest of them Felton should find without them having to tell him anything.

no, the point is, when the knicks O is sputtering gallo has to say "gimme the ball i'm gonna get to the line or get a bucket." dirk does it, kobe does it, durant does it, paul pierce does it. its the sign of a go to offensive player. if gallo wants to be that guy, which i think he could, its on him to say "get me the goddamn ball and get outta the way." its not on felton. felton isn't steve nash and that's not how it works. you think MJ would wait for ron harper to find him? hell no. he said "throw me the ball and get outta the way." i know i sound like mark jackson but its true. gallo has the skills, there are games he gets to the line 10+ times and he's had big scoring nights. the fact that he doesn't score 20 a game is on gallo for not wanting it. he has the talent.

You could say that about the rest of the team as well. Not sure why you are singling Gallo out. All the guys you named have a post up game, Gallo doesn't right now. You keep throwing the ball to the same guy on the wing and they are going to shut him down unless he is someone like Melo.

The guys you named are superstars, leaders of their team. Like I said, if anyone should be doing that its Stat, not Gallo. Gallo isn't good enough to take over games by himself at this point, and he doesn't command enough respect to be treated like a superstar, not by Felton.

It sounds like you are giving Felton a pass for looking for his shot first which he and TD have been doing, taking the lion share of the shot attempts, that's not Gallo's fault.

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2/11/2011  11:00 PM
GustavBahler wrote:It sounds like you are giving Felton a pass for looking for his shot first which he and TD have been doing, taking the lion share of the shot attempts, that's not Gallo's fault.

i have to disagree w/u on that point... Gallo's been shooting horribly of late, u can't expect to get the ball if you can't knock down your shots... many of the shots he's been missing are wide open looks... that doesn't instill confidence from your PG if you can't knock down those shots.

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2/11/2011  11:10 PM
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GustavBahler wrote:It sounds like you are giving Felton a pass for looking for his shot first which he and TD have been doing, taking the lion share of the shot attempts, that's not Gallo's fault.

i have to disagree w/u on that point... Gallo's been shooting horribly of late, u can't expect to get the ball if you can't knock down your shots... many of the shots he's been missing are wide open looks... that doesn't instill confidence from your PG if you can't knock down those shots.

Just because Gallo isn't shooting well doesn't mean Felton should take more shots than anyone else unless no one else can find the rim. Sometimes its just a case of Felton forcing the issue and not looking for his teammates. He was playing smart during that streak, he got the P&R going with Stat and he was driving and dishing, I don't see much of that anymore. That's not Gallo's fault. What is Gallo's fault are those drama queen flops he does when he gets stripped of the ball, not taking it to the rim enough. He was for a stretch but he can't seem to do it consistently.

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2/11/2011  11:11 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
TMS wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:It sounds like you are giving Felton a pass for looking for his shot first which he and TD have been doing, taking the lion share of the shot attempts, that's not Gallo's fault.

i have to disagree w/u on that point... Gallo's been shooting horribly of late, u can't expect to get the ball if you can't knock down your shots... many of the shots he's been missing are wide open looks... that doesn't instill confidence from your PG if you can't knock down those shots.

Just because Gallo isn't shooting well doesn't mean Felton should take more shots than anyone else unless no one else can find the rim. Sometimes its just a case of Felton forcing the issue and not looking for his teammates. He was playing smart during that streak, he got the P&R going with Stat and he was driving and dishing, I don't see much of that anymore. That's not Gallo's fault. What is Gallo's fault are those drama queen flops he does when he gets stripped of the ball, not taking it to the rim enough. He was for a stretch but he can't seem to do it consistently.

shooting .115 from 3 pt range this month isn't his fault?

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2/11/2011  11:13 PM
TMS wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
TMS wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:It sounds like you are giving Felton a pass for looking for his shot first which he and TD have been doing, taking the lion share of the shot attempts, that's not Gallo's fault.

i have to disagree w/u on that point... Gallo's been shooting horribly of late, u can't expect to get the ball if you can't knock down your shots... many of the shots he's been missing are wide open looks... that doesn't instill confidence from your PG if you can't knock down those shots.

Just because Gallo isn't shooting well doesn't mean Felton should take more shots than anyone else unless no one else can find the rim. Sometimes its just a case of Felton forcing the issue and not looking for his teammates. He was playing smart during that streak, he got the P&R going with Stat and he was driving and dishing, I don't see much of that anymore. That's not Gallo's fault. What is Gallo's fault are those drama queen flops he does when he gets stripped of the ball, not taking it to the rim enough. He was for a stretch but he can't seem to do it consistently.

shooting .115 from 3 pt range this month isn't his fault?

LOL, smart ass . That too.

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2/11/2011  11:19 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
TMS wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
TMS wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:It sounds like you are giving Felton a pass for looking for his shot first which he and TD have been doing, taking the lion share of the shot attempts, that's not Gallo's fault.

i have to disagree w/u on that point... Gallo's been shooting horribly of late, u can't expect to get the ball if you can't knock down your shots... many of the shots he's been missing are wide open looks... that doesn't instill confidence from your PG if you can't knock down those shots.

Just because Gallo isn't shooting well doesn't mean Felton should take more shots than anyone else unless no one else can find the rim. Sometimes its just a case of Felton forcing the issue and not looking for his teammates. He was playing smart during that streak, he got the P&R going with Stat and he was driving and dishing, I don't see much of that anymore. That's not Gallo's fault. What is Gallo's fault are those drama queen flops he does when he gets stripped of the ball, not taking it to the rim enough. He was for a stretch but he can't seem to do it consistently.

shooting .115 from 3 pt range this month isn't his fault?

LOL, smart ass . That too.

ok just checking

seriously tho, i agree Felton hasn't been doing as good a job as he was earlier in the PnR but i do think other teams have tightened up their PnR defense on us & have focused on taking that aspect of the game away... that's pretty much taken us out of our game... i've watched every single minute of every game this season so far i think Felton has had his ups & downs like anyone else but for the most part he's been a positive presence on this team... i think we're simply short on talent to win games consistently... we can't have Felton as our #2 scoring option i agree w/u on that, but really right now there are no other better options to fill that role... until Gallo & Wilson can get their shooting touch back, Felton is our best option especially down the stretch of games, he's got the handle, quickness & strength to penetrate deep into the paint & breakdown a defense... i will agree that he needs to cut down on those times when he dribbles downcourt & tosses up a 3 right away instead of looking to set up a play... i think right now there's a lack of confidence in the rest of his teammates, none of them have earned it other than Amare this year... when Gallo & Wilson break out of their funks i'm confident that Felton will be taking less shots.

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2/11/2011  11:26 PM
TMS wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
TMS wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
TMS wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:It sounds like you are giving Felton a pass for looking for his shot first which he and TD have been doing, taking the lion share of the shot attempts, that's not Gallo's fault.

i have to disagree w/u on that point... Gallo's been shooting horribly of late, u can't expect to get the ball if you can't knock down your shots... many of the shots he's been missing are wide open looks... that doesn't instill confidence from your PG if you can't knock down those shots.

Just because Gallo isn't shooting well doesn't mean Felton should take more shots than anyone else unless no one else can find the rim. Sometimes its just a case of Felton forcing the issue and not looking for his teammates. He was playing smart during that streak, he got the P&R going with Stat and he was driving and dishing, I don't see much of that anymore. That's not Gallo's fault. What is Gallo's fault are those drama queen flops he does when he gets stripped of the ball, not taking it to the rim enough. He was for a stretch but he can't seem to do it consistently.

shooting .115 from 3 pt range this month isn't his fault?

LOL, smart ass . That too.

ok just checking

seriously tho, i agree Felton hasn't been doing as good a job as he was earlier in the PnR but i do think other teams have tightened up their PnR defense on us & have focused on taking that aspect of the game away... that's pretty much taken us out of our game... i've watched every single minute of every game this season so far i think Felton has had his ups & downs like anyone else but for the most part he's been a positive presence on this team... i think we're simply short on talent to win games consistently... we can't have Felton as our #2 scoring option i agree w/u on that, but really right now there are no other better options to fill that role... until Gallo & Wilson can get their shooting touch back, Felton is our best option especially down the stretch of games, he's got the handle, quickness & strength to penetrate deep into the paint & breakdown a defense... i will agree that he needs to cut down on those times when he dribbles downcourt & tosses up a 3 right away instead of looking to set up a play... i think right now there's a lack of confidence in the rest of his teammates, none of them have earned it other than Amare this year... when Gallo & Wilson break out of their funks i'm confident that Felton will be taking less shots.

Don't believe we are too far apart on what we want from Felton. Its not a good sign that the better teams can shut down the P&R. If there was ever a case for Melo, games like these are it. He can spread out the floor and hopefully make it easier for Stat to get going, they wouldn't be keying in on him as much.

All right

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