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babyKnicks
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2/8/2011  7:10 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
grillco wrote:How does a deal with the Lakers clear any cap space (or significant cap space) or get them a worthwhile 1st round picks? The Laker picks are all going to be really late first round, not the dwelling of difference making talent, or at least not of a player that would be in line to replace Melo.

- Any picks we send to Denver would likely be just as low.
- Bynum has more trade value because he is a center. PG's, C's, and SG's who can shoot go for a premium.

- The pick going to denver is Minnesota, so incorrect on "just as low"
- id like Bynum for AR and curry...if melo is truly not possible...but that can only happen in February.

It's melo or bust gentlemen. Luckily we like this current team and can risk it.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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2/9/2011  11:41 AM
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Come on Andrew!! You really broke my heart toke the lock off its different.

Do Lakers Want 'Melo?

Stephen A Smith was right about LeBron going to South Beach could Carmelo be going to Hollywood?

The trump card the New York Knicks have always held in their months-long chase of Carmelo Anthony has been the Denver star's refusal to sign a contract extension with any other suitor. But that all changes now if the Los Angeles Lakers make a credible pitch for Anthony by the Feb. 24 trade deadline.

[+] EnlargeCliff Lee
Drew Hallowell/Getty ImagesThe Yanks had a chance to land Cliff Lee last summer. They didn't, and he went to Philly come winter.

With Anthony reportedly willing to play for L.A., the Knicks' leverage is suddenly so weakened they'd be smart to remember this name: Eduardo Nuñez. Then adopt a new MeloDrama strategy: Prepare to overpay.

You say you don't remember Nuñez?

That's the point.

Nuñez is the shortstop prospect Seattle asked for as the last piece in a package deal that could've brought Cliff Lee to the Bronx last summer. The Yankees said no.

Big mistake. The Yankees now suspect their escalating offer was just being used to squeeze a better deal, but by refusing to part with Nuñez they may never know for sure. Texas stole Lee away by upping its 11th-hour offer to Seattle, and Lee helped the Rangers beat the Yankees in the playoffs to get to the World Series.

The Yankees figured they could, at worst, still get Lee as a free agent in the offseason without giving up any players -- which is the same scenario the Knicks have internally debated when it comes to raising their offer for Anthony. But the Yankees were wrong again. Lee signed with the Phillies instead. And the Yankees' starting pitching problems remain.

The Lakers have replaced the Phillies as the stealth candidate in this latest superstar-to-New York saga. And the Knicks would be smart to learn from the Yankees' reticence. Adding Nuñez to get Lee doesn't look like overextending themselves, in hindsight.

If the Knicks can finally end their chase of Anthony by adding either Danilo Gallinari or Landry Fields to the current three-way deal that's on the table -- the Knicks would send Wilson Chandler to Denver and Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry to Minnesota -- then the Knicks should do it already.

Photos: Carmelo Anthony's career

Stay in Denver? Go to N.Y. or L.A.? As MeloDrama plays out, enjoy photos of
a star's career: Carmelo Anthony Photo Gallery

And if Denver insists on Chandler, Gallinari and Fields, the Knicks could even be forgiven for gritting their teeth and making that deal, too. They supposedly overpaid for Amare Stoudemire but look how that's worked out. Time to make the Nuggets an offer they can't refuse.

The Knicks would still need to add pieces to win a title. But here's why you do it: Because 26-year-old superstars like Anthony shake loose in the NBA about as infrequently as pitching aces like Lee do. Because NBA history over the last few decades shows that teams without at least two superstars generally don't win titles anymore. Because no one knows if the new collective bargaining agreement the NBA has to negotiate before next season will change the salary cap, or perhaps even allow Denver to slap something like a franchise tag on Anthony.

The Knicks would be wiser to lock up Anthony now rather than wait and roll the dice on free agency like the Yankees did with Lee.

After all, it's not a stretch to imagine that Anthony would want -- even prefer -- to play for a Lakers franchise that is chasing a three-peat, already has Kobe Bryant and has shown an impressive ability over the years to be able to reload on the fly.

Nor would it be a stretch if the Nuggets tell the Knicks now that they prefer a Lakers package built around young center Andrew Bynum to anything Minnesota and the Knicks are offering.

But there's an obvious Knicks' counter to that argument, too.

SAS: The Return Listen

Stephen A. is back! Stephen A. Smith breaks down the Carmelo Anthony rumors with the Knicks and the latest on the Lakers being involved.

More Podcasts »

Does Denver really want to let Anthony stay in the Western Conference at all -- let alone help re-establish the now-drifting Lakers as the team to beat in the West by helping them put Carmelo, Kobe and Pau Gasol together? Really?

Expect a bit of a wait to find out.

Anthony is likely to be dealt later rather than sooner if the Lakers are involved. Don't be surprised if the pressure is allowed to keep building, building, building on all sides right up until the trade deadline. The Knicks could afford to ignore the better offers that teams like New Jersey were throwing at Denver when Anthony was only willing to sign a contract extension with them. But if the Lakers are involved? No.

The Lakers would like to have Anthony. The success-starved Knicks need him far, far more. So if the question before the Knicks now is whether to overpay a little to make it happen, the answer should be easy: Remember Nuñez. Then pull the trigger already.

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2/9/2011  11:42 AM
I agree that was totally different.
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2/9/2011  11:43 AM
babyKnicks wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
grillco wrote:How does a deal with the Lakers clear any cap space (or significant cap space) or get them a worthwhile 1st round picks? The Laker picks are all going to be really late first round, not the dwelling of difference making talent, or at least not of a player that would be in line to replace Melo.

- Any picks we send to Denver would likely be just as low.
- Bynum has more trade value because he is a center. PG's, C's, and SG's who can shoot go for a premium.

- The pick going to denver is Minnesota, so incorrect on "just as low"
- id like Bynum for AR and curry...if melo is truly not possible...but that can only happen in February.

It's melo or bust gentlemen. Luckily we like this current team and can risk it.

Minnesota owns Utahs pick man.

LOL at Lakers trading Bynum for Anthony Randolph and cap filler.

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2/9/2011  12:05 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Come on Andrew!! You really broke my heart toke the lock off its different.

Do Lakers Want 'Melo?

Stephen A Smith was right about LeBron going to South Beach could Carmelo be going to Hollywood?

The trump card the New York Knicks have always held in their months-long chase of Carmelo Anthony has been the Denver star's refusal to sign a contract extension with any other suitor. But that all changes now if the Los Angeles Lakers make a credible pitch for Anthony by the Feb. 24 trade deadline.

[+] EnlargeCliff Lee
Drew Hallowell/Getty ImagesThe Yanks had a chance to land Cliff Lee last summer. They didn't, and he went to Philly come winter.

With Anthony reportedly willing to play for L.A., the Knicks' leverage is suddenly so weakened they'd be smart to remember this name: Eduardo Nuñez. Then adopt a new MeloDrama strategy: Prepare to overpay.

You say you don't remember Nuñez?

That's the point.

Nuñez is the shortstop prospect Seattle asked for as the last piece in a package deal that could've brought Cliff Lee to the Bronx last summer. The Yankees said no.

Big mistake. The Yankees now suspect their escalating offer was just being used to squeeze a better deal, but by refusing to part with Nuñez they may never know for sure. Texas stole Lee away by upping its 11th-hour offer to Seattle, and Lee helped the Rangers beat the Yankees in the playoffs to get to the World Series.

The Yankees figured they could, at worst, still get Lee as a free agent in the offseason without giving up any players -- which is the same scenario the Knicks have internally debated when it comes to raising their offer for Anthony. But the Yankees were wrong again. Lee signed with the Phillies instead. And the Yankees' starting pitching problems remain.

The Lakers have replaced the Phillies as the stealth candidate in this latest superstar-to-New York saga. And the Knicks would be smart to learn from the Yankees' reticence. Adding Nuñez to get Lee doesn't look like overextending themselves, in hindsight.

If the Knicks can finally end their chase of Anthony by adding either Danilo Gallinari or Landry Fields to the current three-way deal that's on the table -- the Knicks would send Wilson Chandler to Denver and Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry to Minnesota -- then the Knicks should do it already.

Photos: Carmelo Anthony's career

Stay in Denver? Go to N.Y. or L.A.? As MeloDrama plays out, enjoy photos of
a star's career: Carmelo Anthony Photo Gallery

And if Denver insists on Chandler, Gallinari and Fields, the Knicks could even be forgiven for gritting their teeth and making that deal, too. They supposedly overpaid for Amare Stoudemire but look how that's worked out. Time to make the Nuggets an offer they can't refuse.

The Knicks would still need to add pieces to win a title. But here's why you do it: Because 26-year-old superstars like Anthony shake loose in the NBA about as infrequently as pitching aces like Lee do. Because NBA history over the last few decades shows that teams without at least two superstars generally don't win titles anymore. Because no one knows if the new collective bargaining agreement the NBA has to negotiate before next season will change the salary cap, or perhaps even allow Denver to slap something like a franchise tag on Anthony.

The Knicks would be wiser to lock up Anthony now rather than wait and roll the dice on free agency like the Yankees did with Lee.

After all, it's not a stretch to imagine that Anthony would want -- even prefer -- to play for a Lakers franchise that is chasing a three-peat, already has Kobe Bryant and has shown an impressive ability over the years to be able to reload on the fly.

Nor would it be a stretch if the Nuggets tell the Knicks now that they prefer a Lakers package built around young center Andrew Bynum to anything Minnesota and the Knicks are offering.

But there's an obvious Knicks' counter to that argument, too.

SAS: The Return Listen

Stephen A. is back! Stephen A. Smith breaks down the Carmelo Anthony rumors with the Knicks and the latest on the Lakers being involved.

More Podcasts »

Does Denver really want to let Anthony stay in the Western Conference at all -- let alone help re-establish the now-drifting Lakers as the team to beat in the West by helping them put Carmelo, Kobe and Pau Gasol together? Really?

Expect a bit of a wait to find out.

Anthony is likely to be dealt later rather than sooner if the Lakers are involved. Don't be surprised if the pressure is allowed to keep building, building, building on all sides right up until the trade deadline. The Knicks could afford to ignore the better offers that teams like New Jersey were throwing at Denver when Anthony was only willing to sign a contract extension with them. But if the Lakers are involved? No.

The Lakers would like to have Anthony. The success-starved Knicks need him far, far more. So if the question before the Knicks now is whether to overpay a little to make it happen, the answer should be easy: Remember Nuñez. Then pull the trigger already.

I'm not with SAS on this. According the press, the only source we have, and so many unnamed sources, the Nuggets keep rebuking the Knicks's offers and spent the better part of the last four month telling folks that they weren't interested in that the Knicks had to offer. Along the same lines, they have never made a request to the Knicks outlining any of the players they might be interested in, just the desire for 1st round picks. Until the Nuggets suggest potential targets to the Knicks, it leaves Donnie, his staff and Dolan playing guessing game...one that may just be in place to allow the Nuggets more time to focus on other options (Nets, Lakers, Dallas, etc.). There is no real evidence that for during the last two months (at least) that the Knicks are looking to prevent anyone NOT named Amare from being used to acquire Anthony, it's all speculation.

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2/9/2011  12:10 PM
Vmart wrote:I agree that was totally different.

While I'm not sure if you're being facetious or not, I think it's different enough to have been it's own thread and can't understand the concern over more than one thread covering similar/related topics. But not being a power that bes I's gots no says.

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2/9/2011  4:39 PM
Next week it will be Melo to South Beach. Wake menup when a trade happens - speculation means nothing.

I do think the Lakers can make a more attractive package than the Knicks can and I am doubtful we can get him for nothing (McCurry, Chandler and picks) unless he opts out at the end of the season.

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