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ESPN reporting a 3 team deal is being discussed between DEN, NY & MIN to get Melo to NY
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Knixkik
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2/6/2011  11:09 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Chris Mannix on the trade link is talking about a Houston offer. I am not sure if he is just speculating or if Houston is making an offer. Names mentioned were Hill, Brooks and Yao (70% of contract paid by insurance).

This leaves Houston with a solid nucleus of Melo, Scola, and Martin, but little else. This is too many assets to give for a not-sure thing.
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2/6/2011  11:17 AM
Ira wrote:I don't want to be a wet blanket, but we all know that if it sounds too good to be true, then it usually is.

You are a wet blanket.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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2/6/2011  11:23 AM
I'll believe it when I see it! This would be the ideal trade for us, which is why it doesn't really make sense for Denver- they'd get 2 players who will either have to be paid, eating up their cap, or let go for nothing. The pick they'd get from the Twolves couldn't be their own lottery pick, as I think they have to give next years to Utah, so it would have to be one of the mid first round picks they recieved from another team (I'm relying on my memory here, so I could be wrong!).

I just don't see them making that trade- if thats all they're offered then they'll probably just hold onto him and see if the new CBA impliments a 'franchise player' clause (I remember reading that somewhere else today)

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2/6/2011  11:27 AM
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FrenchKnicks wrote:Aren(y you guys bothered by Dolan's involvement in that ? If he's forcing Walsh to take some action, he's giving Denver more leverage into the negociations. Things like that could take that deal to the deadline, with Denver's hoping a final push will come from Dolan so that they could receive yet an extra asset. I just HATE the fact that Dolan was mentionned in that article, I have bad feelings about that.

Papabear Says

Dolan wants Carmelo point blank! He ownes the team and i think that he is right. Things can happen this summer. The Lakers my make some changes or Dallas.Carmelo wants that money and we have to get the deal done. It's not like we are a great team now and with Carmelo coming here he will attract other good role players who just might take less to win a championship.

No matter what he does or should do, the fact that it is now in the media considerably weakens the Knicks position. Now the Nuggets have some more leverage and that could mean one more pick or player being included in that deal...

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2/6/2011  11:40 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
Ira wrote:I don't want to be a wet blanket, but we all know that if it sounds too good to be true, then it usually is.

You are a wet blanket.


It does sound too good to be true, but considering the parties involved, it makes sense. I'm sure there will be other parts moving as well, this is just the base of the deal. We will probably have to take back some additional contract, using Azubuike and Mason as pieces for that purpose. Also, i'm sure we will be sending more picks and cash away as well.
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2/6/2011  11:51 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2011  11:53 AM
Don't get all bent out of shape on how this is unfair to Denver. Denver is lucky to get anything at all, they screwed themselves, their problem. Our BATNA is to wait and watch and get him as an FA in the summer. Denver's BATNA is cap space from losing Melo. Forget all the emotional crap, if Denver front office understands the position they are in, they should pull the trigger on this.

Us being Knick fans for this long has made us obsessively pessimistic in all things basketball related, time for a change. Let's go Knicks!

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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2/6/2011  11:51 AM
OldFan wrote:
TMS wrote:
nychamp wrote:If this deal is accurate as described in your quote, do it in a heartbeat. This is exactly the type of deal that Walsh's waiting game was meant to yield, only losing Chandler. Obviously hugely favorable for the Knicks. Gallo stays, Fields too. Get it done.

yup... so much for all the experts who thought we were gonna have to gut our entire roster to get Melo here... seems to me like DW played this just right.

Well count me as someone who would be VERY HAPPY to be wrong and get Melo in that kind of deal. Sounds too good to be true but would be great if the Knicks could pull that off.


+1

After the Lebron fiasco and all the hopes which were raised last summer, best thing to do is sit back, watch, and don't get too excited.

Of the three- Gallo, Fields, and Chandler, I would be least unhappy (but not happy) to see Chandler included in the deal.


What if Denver also wanted a future #1 (the next that would be available) from us- how would folks feel about that?

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2/6/2011  11:57 AM
Paladin55 wrote:
OldFan wrote:
TMS wrote:
nychamp wrote:If this deal is accurate as described in your quote, do it in a heartbeat. This is exactly the type of deal that Walsh's waiting game was meant to yield, only losing Chandler. Obviously hugely favorable for the Knicks. Gallo stays, Fields too. Get it done.

yup... so much for all the experts who thought we were gonna have to gut our entire roster to get Melo here... seems to me like DW played this just right.

Well count me as someone who would be VERY HAPPY to be wrong and get Melo in that kind of deal. Sounds too good to be true but would be great if the Knicks could pull that off.


+1

After the Lebron fiasco and all the hopes which were raised last summer, best thing to do is sit back, watch, and don't get too excited.

Of the three- Gallo, Fields, and Chandler, I would be least unhappy (but not happy) to see Chandler included in the deal.


What if Denver also wanted a future #1 (the next that would be available) from us- how would folks feel about that?

Tell Denver to take what's on the teable or nothing at all. Denver has no levrage, and while it's nice to play nice, this is still a business.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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2/6/2011  12:00 PM
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tkf wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Odds of deal happening is practically ZERO.

Corey Brewer is a RFA THIS summer.
Wilson Chandler is a RFA THIS summer.

Yea so Denver will trade Melo for 2 guys they can lose this summer that they are going to have to pay. Their own teams dont want to pay them but Denver is going to pay them to be in lottery land in the west. Makes perfect sense.

Too Funny.

Bye Bye Gallo in any Melo trade.


denver can evaluate them and then sign them if they want... the key to the deal will be minny's pick which will be at the top of the lottery...

I think TKF has noted the fundamental flaw in this deal. If I am Denver, I am trading for two RFAs. Both of those guys can play, so Denver will want to keep them but it will be forced to pay them. The only way this deal goes through is if we offer another 1st round pick and maybe a couple of second round picks. Plus, we might have to throw TD into the deal, which would allow denver to trade Chauncey Billups and start Lawson. Either way, as long as we keep Gallo and Fields, we come out on top of the deal.

Felton, Fields, Melo, Amare, Timmy M, with Gallo on the bench backing up Melo and Amare, is a solid lineup that would be no worse than 3rd best in the East.


Yeah, I think there has to be more involved. Personally, I would not want to lose Douglas at this point. I know he is not a true PG, but we would miss his defensive intensity, and offensively, he still has the ability, IMO, to be an offensive spark off the bench.

I'd have no issue giving up our GS #2(I think we have this) and our 2012 #1 two years down the road, though.

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2/6/2011  12:01 PM
loweyecue wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
OldFan wrote:
TMS wrote:
nychamp wrote:If this deal is accurate as described in your quote, do it in a heartbeat. This is exactly the type of deal that Walsh's waiting game was meant to yield, only losing Chandler. Obviously hugely favorable for the Knicks. Gallo stays, Fields too. Get it done.

yup... so much for all the experts who thought we were gonna have to gut our entire roster to get Melo here... seems to me like DW played this just right.

Well count me as someone who would be VERY HAPPY to be wrong and get Melo in that kind of deal. Sounds too good to be true but would be great if the Knicks could pull that off.


+1

After the Lebron fiasco and all the hopes which were raised last summer, best thing to do is sit back, watch, and don't get too excited.

Of the three- Gallo, Fields, and Chandler, I would be least unhappy (but not happy) to see Chandler included in the deal.


What if Denver also wanted a future #1 (the next that would be available) from us- how would folks feel about that?

Tell Denver to take what's on the teable or nothing at all. Denver has no levrage, and while it's nice to play nice, this is still a business.

Would that be a deal breaker for you??

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2/6/2011  12:02 PM
Yawn
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2/6/2011  12:06 PM
Yawn!?!? Yawn!

misterearl just yawned!!

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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2/6/2011  12:07 PM
there is a lot of smoke and mirrors to sift through... of all that we read I suspect about 20% of it is true.

What I *THINK* is that Melo isnt signing an extension until the Knicks are simply not an option. If he can be traded there or sign a FA MAX 5 year deal with the Knicks he will hold out signing an extension until those options are exhausted. He's from the East, played in the Garden in Big East, and is buddies with Amare. There is no secret about Melo's desires. The only thing in question is what he has said or hasnt said to Den and everyone else as far as signing and extension.

If you look at all thats been reported and his interviews he's simply said over and over that he's waiting and keeping his options open. Thats because he CANT say he will only sign with the Knicks. That makes his life in Denver hell and he's no dummy, so he's towing the line.

The Nuggets want a KG type package. Bos gave up picks, a stud young frontcourt player and some other pieces. What the Nets were (poof poof offering) is in that range...

The Knicks will not offer that. Walsh knows how hard it is to fill a roster with good young players, but also knows how hard it is to get a stud to build around. He fielded a subpar team for 2 years just for the CHANCE to get a guy to build around. He accomplished that and more, using the cap space, draft and trades to really overhaul the roster.

IF he can keep Gallo and Fields and Mosgov I think there isnt a player he wouldnt package, which is something I agree with and have said over and over again.

If you have:
Felton
Fields
Melo
Gallo
Amare
Mosgov
you have ALL the major pieces you need to build and elite team. Do Fields, Chandler and Mosgov need time? bigtime, especially Mos... but that guy works harder than anyone on the team and Amare and the rest of them know that and love him for it. He just need experience.

I'm sure we could get Melo for Mos, Gallo, Fields and Chandler and say take Harrington back and prob not even throw in future picks. Thats a crap trade for us and doesnt get us any closer to being an elite team then just staying pat and waiting.

THANK GOD we have Walsh.. because he's knows value and timing.

And I have ZERO problem with Dolan saying go get Melo. Melo is a star personality, a good guy and wants to be a NYer and a Knick. He will be great here, but he's got a value and overpaying for anything always costs more than its worth

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2/6/2011  12:07 PM
I am no expert at assigning value to first round draft picks, I think they are overrated. If DW thinks they are valuable I would support pulling out of the deal, if he feels it's not a whole lot extra to give up that's fine too. I really don't see first round draft picks as something of immense value. There are lots of "IF"s attached to those.

My position is just based on the position Denver has put themselves in. They should not be demanding anything, I would also like to see the Knicks stop getting the worse end of every dela they are involved in like the Isiah era. So I would tell Denver to shut up becuase they have no leverage, not because of how I value draft picks.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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2/6/2011  12:09 PM
misterearl wrote:Yawn

Time to wake up and smell the coffee, dude.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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2/6/2011  12:43 PM
loweyecue wrote:
misterearl wrote:Yawn

Time to wake up and smell the coffee, dude.

this is basically melo for chandler. melo is better than chandler.

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2/6/2011  12:50 PM
From Hahn, doesn't sound like this is happening that quickly.

And as we reported in today's Newsday , the Nuggets are also considering other scenarios and want to get an understanding of the next collective bargaining agreement from the annual Board of Governors meeting at All-Star Weekend in Los Angeles. A source told me that the Nuggets are curious about the possibility of an NFL-style franchise tag, which they could use to keep Anthony, though there would still be some risk involved

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;jsessionid=06B15DA9DA0C5EFE9155.3040?site=newsday&view=sports_blogs_item&feed:a=newsday_5min&feed:c=sports_blogs&feed:i=1.2665048&part=1

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2/6/2011  1:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2011  1:24 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
FrenchKnicks wrote:Aren(y you guys bothered by Dolan's involvement in that ? If he's forcing Walsh to take some action, he's giving Denver more leverage into the negociations. Things like that could take that deal to the deadline, with Denver's hoping a final push will come from Dolan so that they could receive yet an extra asset. I just HATE the fact that Dolan was mentionned in that article, I have bad feelings about that.

We can't stop Dolan from being an idiot. It is what it is.

pushing for this deal is not an idiotic move

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2/6/2011  1:12 PM
Silverfuel wrote:
Ira wrote:I don't want to be a wet blanket, but we all know that if it sounds too good to be true, then it usually is.

Yup. NY is going to have to give up more than just AR, Chandler and Curry.

the CBS article suggests the Knicks would be giving up $3M in cash to offset the remaining salary that's owed to Curry that would facilitate a buyout once he's traded to MIN... maybe another asset will be included down the road... i'm sure this is just the general parameters that are currently being discussed... this isn't a done deal just yet.

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2/6/2011  1:15 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I think there has to be something more in it for Minnesota. I think Denver could be this desperate but if I am a GM of a big market team like the Lakers or the Bulls I think I would make a comparable offer just to have Melo for 32 games.

what would u offer tho? Lakers already gave up a 1st round pick to NJ to get Joe Smith & dump Vujacic's salary so a future 1st rounder from a championship contender will have very limited value, certainly not better than this package going to DEN reported in this article... Chicago only really has Luol Deng to offer but he's got a big contract of his own... IMO the Nuggets would be more likely to try & work out a lesser contract w/Wilson & Brewer after a new CBA agreement is in place.

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ESPN reporting a 3 team deal is being discussed between DEN, NY & MIN to get Melo to NY

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