We had a core of older players who would have provided leadership than the idiots Isiah bought in.

Layden had the Marbury deal on his desk and it was Isiah that pulled the trigger. I wonder if Layden rejected it knowing what character he lacked?

I hated the Marbury deal. It reeked from day one. The starphuchers all swallowed that one and lapped up any excess!

We'll never know what could have been but we know what was. Isiah was a piece of **** who could draft well.

I would still root for my team with an Isiah return but please don't tempt me into rooting for where I was born: Brooklyn!

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Solace wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Anubis is also a former Isiah Thomas supporter so it tells you where his basketball mind is.

so were a lot of other posters around here, most people were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt & a lot of people supported some of his draft selections, including me & i'm also guessing you supported some of his decisions too... the only poster i recall disagreeing with every single decision Isiah ever made was islesfan.

I hated Isiah from 2005 and on.

My hate only grew stronger as the years and losses piled on. What frustrated me was how many people really went to bat for Isiah until the bitter end - and some still do.

I have never seen a worse mismanagement of a franchise than what I saw with Isiah Thomas. He took a team that had not been to the playoffs in a few years and proceeded to make it into a bigger laughingstock than anyone could have imagined. There was not one player in the Isiah Thomas era that you could build around and he left us with absolutely no worthwhile assets besides Chandler and Lee. 5 years as a GM produced no winning seasons and a slew of overpaid, lazy basketball players. Going through that era has made me a stronger fan. I know that I now can withstand anything thrown at me.

so u knew from the get go that every decision Isiah ever made would turn out to be a disaster at the time those decisions were made & never once supported any trade or draft selection he ever made as our GM? or are u just reciting to me his past history in hindsight like everyone else?

Why is that so hard to fathom?

I only liked the Marbury move and that was because I was starving for a superstar. Little did I know that Marbury was a selfish lunatic. I was younger then. Flashy moves excited me. Crawford and Jerome Williams excited me. But then I saw them on the court and that excitement evaporated and turned into resentment. From then on I realized that Isiah Thomas did not know what he was doing and was not correctly constructing an NBA team. Rather, he was collecting "talent" on one roster and hoping it would mesh. That failed miserably.

it's not hard to fathom that u came to realize Isiah was a horrible GM after the fact... just don't remember hearing consistent opposition against every move he made from too many posters is all... a lot of us were back & forth with support & opposition w/most of his moves... looking back now it's obvious he was a horrible GM, but dunno how many of us knew he would be from the get go is all i'm saying... if u were among those people then i apologize to u... i never posted on RealGM so i wouldn't know who said what over there.

I'm happy to say I was against most of his moves since the awful Van Horn trade. I will reluctantly admit, that I liked the Eddy Curry trade, though. *sigh*

that was Scott Layden

i think he's talking about the Van Horn for Tim Fugazy trade... i hated that trade too when it went down.

haha wow... KVH part of two terrible Knicks trades. I feel ill

u know what before we made that KVH for Fugazy trade i actually had high hopes for Isiah's plan... & i thought Marbury would actually work out... boy did those hopes get dashed with the quickness.

I forgot about the deal but I did too. I thought Marbury and Houston would be the best backcourt in the league. I thought guys like KVH, KT, and Doleac where perfect for the pick and pop. Like Nalod said, Marbury was a Layden deal and it had potential as a recipe. That fell apart with Houston though and Isiah was too stupid to realize how the pieces were supposed to fit

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Solace wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Anubis is also a former Isiah Thomas supporter so it tells you where his basketball mind is.

so were a lot of other posters around here, most people were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt & a lot of people supported some of his draft selections, including me & i'm also guessing you supported some of his decisions too... the only poster i recall disagreeing with every single decision Isiah ever made was islesfan.

I hated Isiah from 2005 and on.

My hate only grew stronger as the years and losses piled on. What frustrated me was how many people really went to bat for Isiah until the bitter end - and some still do.

I have never seen a worse mismanagement of a franchise than what I saw with Isiah Thomas. He took a team that had not been to the playoffs in a few years and proceeded to make it into a bigger laughingstock than anyone could have imagined. There was not one player in the Isiah Thomas era that you could build around and he left us with absolutely no worthwhile assets besides Chandler and Lee. 5 years as a GM produced no winning seasons and a slew of overpaid, lazy basketball players. Going through that era has made me a stronger fan. I know that I now can withstand anything thrown at me.

so u knew from the get go that every decision Isiah ever made would turn out to be a disaster at the time those decisions were made & never once supported any trade or draft selection he ever made as our GM? or are u just reciting to me his past history in hindsight like everyone else?

Why is that so hard to fathom?

I only liked the Marbury move and that was because I was starving for a superstar. Little did I know that Marbury was a selfish lunatic. I was younger then. Flashy moves excited me. Crawford and Jerome Williams excited me. But then I saw them on the court and that excitement evaporated and turned into resentment. From then on I realized that Isiah Thomas did not know what he was doing and was not correctly constructing an NBA team. Rather, he was collecting "talent" on one roster and hoping it would mesh. That failed miserably.

it's not hard to fathom that u came to realize Isiah was a horrible GM after the fact... just don't remember hearing consistent opposition against every move he made from too many posters is all... a lot of us were back & forth with support & opposition w/most of his moves... looking back now it's obvious he was a horrible GM, but dunno how many of us knew he would be from the get go is all i'm saying... if u were among those people then i apologize to u... i never posted on RealGM so i wouldn't know who said what over there.

I'm happy to say I was against most of his moves since the awful Van Horn trade. I will reluctantly admit, that I liked the Eddy Curry trade, though. *sigh*

that was Scott Layden

i think he's talking about the Van Horn for Tim Fugazy trade... i hated that trade too when it went down.

You're arguing with Childs2Dudley? You'll have better luck arguing with a brick wall.

He's not arguing with me but nice try.

Are your feelings still hurt because I insulted your amazing posts of calling Mozgov one of the worst players in Knicks franchise history?

I didn't even check your replies to be honest. Your dick is hard because Mosgov had one good game?

It's evident that you don't check replies from the post you just made in this thread.

My dick isn't hard but thanks for asking.

Mozgov is not the worst player in franchise history nor is he a scrub. Of course you wouldn't know that because everything is black and white with you. Writing off a rookie because he did not impress you in ten games is smart. Well, it's not like your basketball expertise was a strong point anyway.

orangeblobman wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Solace wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Anubis is also a former Isiah Thomas supporter so it tells you where his basketball mind is.

so were a lot of other posters around here, most people were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt & a lot of people supported some of his draft selections, including me & i'm also guessing you supported some of his decisions too... the only poster i recall disagreeing with every single decision Isiah ever made was islesfan.

I hated Isiah from 2005 and on.

My hate only grew stronger as the years and losses piled on. What frustrated me was how many people really went to bat for Isiah until the bitter end - and some still do.

I have never seen a worse mismanagement of a franchise than what I saw with Isiah Thomas. He took a team that had not been to the playoffs in a few years and proceeded to make it into a bigger laughingstock than anyone could have imagined. There was not one player in the Isiah Thomas era that you could build around and he left us with absolutely no worthwhile assets besides Chandler and Lee. 5 years as a GM produced no winning seasons and a slew of overpaid, lazy basketball players. Going through that era has made me a stronger fan. I know that I now can withstand anything thrown at me.

so u knew from the get go that every decision Isiah ever made would turn out to be a disaster at the time those decisions were made & never once supported any trade or draft selection he ever made as our GM? or are u just reciting to me his past history in hindsight like everyone else?

Why is that so hard to fathom?

I only liked the Marbury move and that was because I was starving for a superstar. Little did I know that Marbury was a selfish lunatic. I was younger then. Flashy moves excited me. Crawford and Jerome Williams excited me. But then I saw them on the court and that excitement evaporated and turned into resentment. From then on I realized that Isiah Thomas did not know what he was doing and was not correctly constructing an NBA team. Rather, he was collecting "talent" on one roster and hoping it would mesh. That failed miserably.

it's not hard to fathom that u came to realize Isiah was a horrible GM after the fact... just don't remember hearing consistent opposition against every move he made from too many posters is all... a lot of us were back & forth with support & opposition w/most of his moves... looking back now it's obvious he was a horrible GM, but dunno how many of us knew he would be from the get go is all i'm saying... if u were among those people then i apologize to u... i never posted on RealGM so i wouldn't know who said what over there.

I'm happy to say I was against most of his moves since the awful Van Horn trade. I will reluctantly admit, that I liked the Eddy Curry trade, though. *sigh*

that was Scott Layden

i think he's talking about the Van Horn for Tim Fugazy trade... i hated that trade too when it went down.

You're arguing with Childs2Dudley? You'll have better luck arguing with a brick wall.

He's not arguing with me but nice try.

Are your feelings still hurt because I insulted your amazing posts of calling Mozgov one of the worst players in Knicks franchise history?

I didn't even check your replies to be honest. Your dick is hard because Mosgov had one good game?

It's evident that you don't check replies from the post you just made in this thread.

My dick isn't hard but thanks for asking.

Mozgov is not the worst player in franchise history nor is he a scrub. Of course you wouldn't know that because everything is black and white with you. Writing off a rookie because he did not impress you in ten games is smart. Well, it's not like your basketball expertise was a strong point anyway.

Go to your room, both of you.

Send closk.

AnubisADL wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I was okay with Isiah's drafts and never complained about those. The only one I bitched about was when we drafted Balkman. We needed a PG of the future and I could not understand why Rondo and Williams were available and we did not draft both of them. One of the them was bound to succeed. What did we need Balkman for? I felt like that pick was really Isiah trying to outsmart everyone.

As for his GMing.....Bip preached every day that the time would come wehre we would be forced to clear cap space and rebuild. I railed about it every year since the day Ewing was traded. Isiah did not listen. He suffered the consequences. At least until he returns.

Rondo without Garnett, Pierce, and Allen would not have been good here. Those big 3 draw most of the attention on the offensive end and that allows Rondo to do his thing.

I actually agree with this. Once the big three breakdown, if Boston decides Rondo is their cornerstone, I think they are gonna see Rondo for what he really is- which is a faster version of Andre Miller.

SupremeCommander wrote:

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Solace wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Anubis is also a former Isiah Thomas supporter so it tells you where his basketball mind is.

so were a lot of other posters around here, most people were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt & a lot of people supported some of his draft selections, including me & i'm also guessing you supported some of his decisions too... the only poster i recall disagreeing with every single decision Isiah ever made was islesfan.

I hated Isiah from 2005 and on.

My hate only grew stronger as the years and losses piled on. What frustrated me was how many people really went to bat for Isiah until the bitter end - and some still do.

I have never seen a worse mismanagement of a franchise than what I saw with Isiah Thomas. He took a team that had not been to the playoffs in a few years and proceeded to make it into a bigger laughingstock than anyone could have imagined. There was not one player in the Isiah Thomas era that you could build around and he left us with absolutely no worthwhile assets besides Chandler and Lee. 5 years as a GM produced no winning seasons and a slew of overpaid, lazy basketball players. Going through that era has made me a stronger fan. I know that I now can withstand anything thrown at me.

so u knew from the get go that every decision Isiah ever made would turn out to be a disaster at the time those decisions were made & never once supported any trade or draft selection he ever made as our GM? or are u just reciting to me his past history in hindsight like everyone else?

Why is that so hard to fathom?

I only liked the Marbury move and that was because I was starving for a superstar. Little did I know that Marbury was a selfish lunatic. I was younger then. Flashy moves excited me. Crawford and Jerome Williams excited me. But then I saw them on the court and that excitement evaporated and turned into resentment. From then on I realized that Isiah Thomas did not know what he was doing and was not correctly constructing an NBA team. Rather, he was collecting "talent" on one roster and hoping it would mesh. That failed miserably.

it's not hard to fathom that u came to realize Isiah was a horrible GM after the fact... just don't remember hearing consistent opposition against every move he made from too many posters is all... a lot of us were back & forth with support & opposition w/most of his moves... looking back now it's obvious he was a horrible GM, but dunno how many of us knew he would be from the get go is all i'm saying... if u were among those people then i apologize to u... i never posted on RealGM so i wouldn't know who said what over there.

I'm happy to say I was against most of his moves since the awful Van Horn trade. I will reluctantly admit, that I liked the Eddy Curry trade, though. *sigh*

that was Scott Layden

i think he's talking about the Van Horn for Tim Fugazy trade... i hated that trade too when it went down.

haha wow... KVH part of two terrible Knicks trades. I feel ill

u know what before we made that KVH for Fugazy trade i actually had high hopes for Isiah's plan... & i thought Marbury would actually work out... boy did those hopes get dashed with the quickness.

I forgot about the deal but I did too. I thought Marbury and Houston would be the best backcourt in the league. I thought guys like KVH, KT, and Doleac where perfect for the pick and pop. Like Nalod said, Marbury was a Layden deal and it had potential as a recipe. That fell apart with Houston though and Isiah was too stupid to realize how the pieces were supposed to fit

+1 yup. Those players really complimented Marbury. It's a shame how far down Houston's injury and some ridiculous trades afterwards took us. Not to mention, I thought Lenny Wilkins was the best coach during the Isiah era, but that didn't last so long either.

AnubisADL wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I was okay with Isiah's drafts and never complained about those. The only one I bitched about was when we drafted Balkman. We needed a PG of the future and I could not understand why Rondo and Williams were available and we did not draft both of them. One of the them was bound to succeed. What did we need Balkman for? I felt like that pick was really Isiah trying to outsmart everyone.

As for his GMing.....Bip preached every day that the time would come wehre we would be forced to clear cap space and rebuild. I railed about it every year since the day Ewing was traded. Isiah did not listen. He suffered the consequences. At least until he returns.

Rondo without Garnett, Pierce, and Allen would not have been good here. Those big 3 draw most of the attention on the offensive end and that allows Rondo to do his thing.

Rondo would have been good no matter where he went, but even if both Williams and Rondo bombed I would have been okay with that draft. I would have even been okay with a Collins and Williams draft. It would have sucked but it would have made sense to me. It was the logical move to make and a GM can't get it right all the time. With his history of solid players at late picks I can forgive a Channing Frye and a double miss at PG. But your picks have to make some sort of logical sense and Balkman did not.....

Bippity10 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I was okay with Isiah's drafts and never complained about those. The only one I bitched about was when we drafted Balkman. We needed a PG of the future and I could not understand why Rondo and Williams were available and we did not draft both of them. One of the them was bound to succeed. What did we need Balkman for? I felt like that pick was really Isiah trying to outsmart everyone.

As for his GMing.....Bip preached every day that the time would come wehre we would be forced to clear cap space and rebuild. I railed about it every year since the day Ewing was traded. Isiah did not listen. He suffered the consequences. At least until he returns.

Rondo without Garnett, Pierce, and Allen would not have been good here. Those big 3 draw most of the attention on the offensive end and that allows Rondo to do his thing.

Rondo would have been good no matter where he went, but even if both Williams and Rondo bombed I would have been okay with that draft. I would have even been okay with a Collins and Williams draft. It would have sucked but it would have made sense to me. It was the logical move to make and a GM can't get it right all the time. With his history of solid players at late picks I can forgive a Channing Frye and a double miss at PG. But your picks have to make some sort of logical sense and Balkman did not.....

I don't know if Rondo would've been good without The Big Three. The Celtics were even unsure. They give Minny the choice of Telfair or Rondo in the Garnett trade. Rondo's biggest knock coming in to the L was his shot. That's why he fell. He had other gifts and they grew because he wasn't expected to shoot. Would hav been afforded the same patience and growth opportunities elsewhere? i don't think so. He'd be expected to shoot more and he's not very good at it, even still. Hell, he's shooting 51.6 percent from the foul line. He's got 342 shot attempts--compare that to 699 to Felton.

Bippity10 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I was okay with Isiah's drafts and never complained about those. The only one I bitched about was when we drafted Balkman. We needed a PG of the future and I could not understand why Rondo and Williams were available and we did not draft both of them. One of the them was bound to succeed. What did we need Balkman for? I felt like that pick was really Isiah trying to outsmart everyone.

As for his GMing.....Bip preached every day that the time would come wehre we would be forced to clear cap space and rebuild. I railed about it every year since the day Ewing was traded. Isiah did not listen. He suffered the consequences. At least until he returns.

Rondo without Garnett, Pierce, and Allen would not have been good here. Those big 3 draw most of the attention on the offensive end and that allows Rondo to do his thing.

Rondo would have been good no matter where he went, but even if both Williams and Rondo bombed I would have been okay with that draft. I would have even been okay with a Collins and Williams draft. It would have sucked but it would have made sense to me. It was the logical move to make and a GM can't get it right all the time. With his history of solid players at late picks I can forgive a Channing Frye and a double miss at PG. But your picks have to make some sort of logical sense and Balkman did not.....

Isiah was married to Marbury at the time. There was no way he was picking TWO PGs in a draft. Marbury was his star, and he was shooting to fill other holes. He just should have used the one PG pick more wisely.

TMS wrote:

Panos wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I was okay with Isiah's drafts and never complained about those. The only one I bitched about was when we drafted Balkman. We needed a PG of the future and I could not understand why Rondo and Williams were available and we did not draft both of them. One of the them was bound to succeed. What did we need Balkman for? I felt like that pick was really Isiah trying to outsmart everyone.

As for his GMing.....Bip preached every day that the time would come wehre we would be forced to clear cap space and rebuild. I railed about it every year since the day Ewing was traded. Isiah did not listen. He suffered the consequences. At least until he returns.

Rondo without Garnett, Pierce, and Allen would not have been good here. Those big 3 draw most of the attention on the offensive end and that allows Rondo to do his thing.

Rondo would have been good no matter where he went, but even if both Williams and Rondo bombed I would have been okay with that draft. I would have even been okay with a Collins and Williams draft. It would have sucked but it would have made sense to me. It was the logical move to make and a GM can't get it right all the time. With his history of solid players at late picks I can forgive a Channing Frye and a double miss at PG. But your picks have to make some sort of logical sense and Balkman did not.....

Isiah was married to Marbury at the time. There was no way he was picking TWO PGs in a draft. Marbury was his star, and he was shooting to fill other holes. He just should have used the one PG pick more wisely.

Isiah was shooting to fill many holes during his tenure

after what you just put in my head you owe me an Alba thread post