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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
2/1/2011 3:57 PM
The alleyoop is always an option but that's really gonna be between him and the PG and how the defense is playing. The other plays in this clip are just hustle plays that he can make at anytime and if he hasn't done that it's all on him. The biggest problem still lies with AR. He has it in his power to go out on the floor and force Mike to keep him out there by hustling and playing smart. I think he started to do that and hopefully he gets another shot to keep proving he can be part of this playoff run.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
2/1/2011 3:59 PM
Panos wrote:TMS wrote:didn't know that about his comments after the game about AR, i just heard him answering questions about Mozgov... that's encouraging to hear... if he gets regular burn from now on that's cool with me, but who's place does he take? i doubt he's taking Williams out of the rotation... i gotta figure Walker is gonna ride pine now that Mozgov is getting action... unless MDA plays a 10 man rotation like i proposed i dunno how AR can get in there. i am with you 100% bro... if we have to go to a 10 man rotation to get AR some playing time, then do it... he's a waste to us on the bench doing nothing... we invested a big asset in getting him here, i wanna see him get a fair chance to play, not just relegated to the end of the bench & be cast aside as a throw in on some trade, at least not until he gets a shot to prove why DW was so high on him to begin with... i already know this guy's got some serious game, something i wasn't sure that Mozgov had when he got here... after 1 game we all agree Mozgov should be seeing playing time... AR has already proven to me he's worthy of playing time before he even got to NY... if we have to bench Bill Walker to get both those guys involved, so be it. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
2/1/2011 4:01 PM LAST EDITED: 2/1/2011 4:21 PM
NYKBocker wrote:TMS wrote:martin wrote:TMS wrote:yeah, clearly AR has yet to understand the fundamentals of how to play the game of basketball bro, check the clip again... it begins with AR making a quick spin move in the post off a feed from Turiaf & gets off a basket while hanging in the air to beat Drew Gooden & Tim Duncan down low early in the 1st quarter... the entire clips shows he is producing throughout the entire course of that game, not just in garbage minutes... a few nice passes off his post up to cutting teammates for easy layups... several great hustle plays on defense & rebounding... he shows his ability to isolate & get off his own shot... he shows a nice touch from the perimeter... he's got the whole package... why do we want him to be limited to being just a Fishlips clone is beyond me After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
2/1/2011 4:15 PM
here's a nice game he has against the Suns, the same team that runs MDA's SSOL style offense... again, this is stuff he does throughout the course of a full game, not just in garbage minutes... see how he's able to break down a defense w/his dribble... u guys think Gallo's good at getting to the rim off his dribble drive, AR can do it too... pay attention to his recognition on help defense & his ability to come off guarding Steve Nash to get a steal on a guy who's about 12 feet away from him on the baseline... notice his court vision seeing a cutting Biedrins & hitting him with a perfect bounce pass after he'd taken the ball up the court himself & setting him up for a basket... check out the little step back pullup midrange J coming off a little screen that he knocks down nice & smooth, looks totally comfortable w/his game & it comes in the flow of the offense, not just some forced up shot like we were seeing in early action this season... u see him finishing nice in transition from a long pass up court... they show a graphic this kid was averaging 15 & 11 stats in the month of April that year & talk about his ability as a point forward... all of these things he is capable of doing for the Knicks if we show a little patience & try to get this guy involved in the offense IMO.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
2/1/2011 4:26 PM
knicks1248 wrote:TMS wrote:scoshin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:scoshin wrote:AR still looks lost on the offense (hardly moving off the ball, just sitting in one spot like Artest would do on the Lakers), but at least he wasn't forcing it like in past games. In fact, he looked reluctant to do anything with the ball, and would give it up like a hot potato. AR was the central piece in that trade, not Turiaf... effort & hustle can be stimulated by being made to feel a part of the team instead of some cast off that only gets sporadic run in garbage play... maybe getting into the game in the 1st quarter helped AR to feel more a part of the action instead of just some afterthought the other night? he showed some glimpses of what he can bring on the rebounding aspect but he hasn't even begun to show yet what he's capable of doing on the offensive & defensive side of the ball... sometimes just being given the opportunity can go a long way in instilling confidence & letting your game come to you rather than trying to force it to make things happen in 5 minutes of action at the end of a blowout loss... we saw that play out perfectly w/Mozgov the other night, why can't the same happen for AR if we give him the same kind of opportunity? After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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Rookie
Posts: 27028 Alba Posts: 28 Joined: 10/15/2008 Member: #2274 |
2/1/2011 4:36 PM
you know...AR just hasn't looked the same since the ankle injury. Still hoping to see the speed and explosiveness from him. Been a year now so he should be all the way back excepting the expected rust...all for giving him some burn especially since he can bring much needed size and rebounding. Don't really want to question his BB IQ, but he does look lost on the offensive end. Really not sure why someone like Fields so easily blends into the rotation and contributes and AR just looks like a square peg in a round hole.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
2/1/2011 4:48 PM LAST EDITED: 2/1/2011 4:49 PM
nice game he had vs. the Jazz... again, showing all aspects of his game, driving to the hole, finishing on the break, playing defense, blocking shots, grabbing boards like Landry Fields does, dishing assists, breaking down a defense off the dribble, all against 1 of the better teams in the NBA & doing so as a 19 yo... yet some guys think he doesn't understand how to play the game at a high level... i disagree & i think the evidence backs me up on this.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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orangeblobman
Posts: 27269 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/1/2009 Member: #2539 Nauru |
2/1/2011 4:51 PM
I don't understand the posting of these AR youtube clips, TMS.
The Warriors last year were a bum team and AR played and got decent numbers on that bum team. He has never contributed to a winning team. We can take a ton of David Lee youtube clips and make the case that he is a top50 of all time player. Youtube clips, like quotes, are very easy to take out of context and shape for your own needs. WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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martin
Posts: 76261 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
2/1/2011 4:56 PM
I think there is a big difference in playing at high level and having gobs of talent. AR has gobs of talent and that is manifested in the YouTube videos. No doubt.
But it's a far cry from playing at a high level. Unless those 2 things mean the same to some. I think most are assuming that a base definition of playing at a high level means winning and playing within a team concept. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
2/1/2011 4:59 PM LAST EDITED: 2/1/2011 5:15 PM
orangeblobman wrote:I don't understand the posting of these AR youtube clips, TMS. i post the clips to show everyone what this guy has already proven he can do at the NBA level... alot of you seem to thinks the sporadic run he's seen as a Knick defines him as a basketball player & have completely lost touch with what this guy has already proven he's capable of doing on the basketball court in my view... there's nothing i posted that's taken out of context... they all show him performing at a high level against quality NBA competition throughout the course of a full game... this isn't some Big C Anthony Randolph mix tape video i'm posting up to backup my arguments... & so what that the Warriors were a bum team? D Lee never contributed to a winning team either, does that mean he wasn't worthy of playing time in an MDA system? Jamal Crawford never contributed to a winning team until he left the Knicks & now he's an integral part of a playoff contender... even Nate Knucklehead Robinson has found a nice little niche for himself as a valued role player on a championship calibre squad. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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matt
Posts: 22259 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 11/5/2003 Member: #487 USA |
2/1/2011 5:03 PM
orangeblobman wrote:I don't understand the posting of these AR youtube clips, TMS. |
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
2/1/2011 5:07 PM
martin wrote:I think there is a big difference in playing at high level and having gobs of talent. AR has gobs of talent and that is manifested in the YouTube videos. No doubt. why do u think AR is incapable of playing within a team concept & helping his teams win games? i brought up several games where he's put up big statlines in games to help his team win games against some quality NBA competition in another thread & yet you still cling to this theory that he doesn't know how to play at a high level according to your own definition... what evidence do u have to prove your stance? the fact that the Warriors were losing more games than they've won is a poor basis for any argument, it takes more than just a couple highly talented player to win games, this is a team sport... i don't see how anyone can expect a 19-21 yo kid to prove anything more than AR has already proven to warrant him seeing regular playing time... this is 10-15 minutes of regular burn we're arguing about here, not for this guy to be enshrined as the foundation of our franchise. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
2/1/2011 5:08 PM
matt wrote:orangeblobman wrote:I don't understand the posting of these AR youtube clips, TMS. please show me some of a full game where this scrub's talent compares in any way, shape or form to the level of play u see demonstrated in the game footage of AR i posted. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
2/1/2011 5:15 PM
I think most of us know what kind of talent AR has, which is why we were hopeful that he'd have more of an impact this year. Don't look to blame his failings on MDA! IF he was ready to contribute he had the same opportunity to do so that Fields and Williams had. He's the only one to blame for his not being able to crack the rotation. If at any time in practice or a game that AR looked like he did in those clips MDA would gladly play the kid. HE's never even been a shadow of the player he showed last year.
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TMS
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2/1/2011 5:19 PM LAST EDITED: 2/1/2011 5:19 PM
nixluva wrote:I think most of us know what kind of talent AR has, which is why we were hopeful that he'd have more of an impact this year. Don't look to blame his failings on MDA! IF he was ready to contribute he had the same opportunity to do so that Fields and Williams had. He's the only one to blame for his not being able to crack the rotation. If at any time in practice or a game that AR looked like he did in those clips MDA would gladly play the kid. HE's never even been a shadow of the player he showed last year. this isn't a blame game, i'm campaigning for him to see more minutes, period... MDA needs to realize the talent he's got on that bench & utilize it... give AR a chance to succeed & i think his talent will show through... not once has AR seen extended minutes in any games this year other than one 28 minute stint early in the season when he was still trying to learn a new system... u telling me that's a fair sample to judge where he's at as a basketball player? gimme a break. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
2/1/2011 5:26 PM
TMS wrote:nixluva wrote:I think most of us know what kind of talent AR has, which is why we were hopeful that he'd have more of an impact this year. Don't look to blame his failings on MDA! IF he was ready to contribute he had the same opportunity to do so that Fields and Williams had. He's the only one to blame for his not being able to crack the rotation. If at any time in practice or a game that AR looked like he did in those clips MDA would gladly play the kid. HE's never even been a shadow of the player he showed last year. I think MDA wants to at least see some signs of AR getting it in practice. We read good things about TImo before the last game and I remember reading the same things about Williams before he got a shot. It's not too much to ask for a coach to see that a player understands his role and can execute in practice before he gets a shot in a game. Mike gave him a shot and he did well. Maybe now he gets more of a look in more games this year. There's still time left to get it going. |
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martin
Posts: 76261 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
2/1/2011 5:39 PM
TMS wrote:martin wrote:I think there is a big difference in playing at high level and having gobs of talent. AR has gobs of talent and that is manifested in the YouTube videos. No doubt. let me straighten some false assumptions. I have never said that AR was incapable of playing within a team concept & helping out teams win games. That's very future looking. I was trying to define what is meant by high level and then differentiate it between having talent and putting up stats and YouTube highlights. Let me also state that what AR did on the Warriors team has just about zero baring on what we have seen in NY and what AR does in practice to earn minutes. It just doesn't or we would all also pine for Mason Jr to get more playing time because of what he displayed in Spurs minutes, and we really aren't. What AR did on the Warriors team mostly mattered to Donnie and the Lee trade. Generally, young players need to earn there minutes through both execution and effort. I would guess that effort always gets rewarded (with an obvious baseline for talent and execution on court, we can't have some 5'4" all-world hustle dude on the court who can't do anything else). TD is a prime example of great effort even though we all see his PG mistakes (execution). Another part of this obvious equation is just minutes and roles on this team. The Knicks are very thin at Center, so it's obvious that Timo may get more opportunities for minutes, all things being equal. AR has to compete with Turiaf, Chandler, Amare, Williams, Gallo for minutes at SF/PF; Timo only going for the C minutes. In my book AR hasn't done much in the way of playing at a high level. Put up some tremendous stats every once in a while, yes. Created some nice highlight videos too. That's why we traded for him. And what we hope he can do in a winning, team environment. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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TMS
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2/1/2011 6:02 PM LAST EDITED: 2/1/2011 6:05 PM
martin wrote:TMS wrote:martin wrote:I think there is a big difference in playing at high level and having gobs of talent. AR has gobs of talent and that is manifested in the YouTube videos. No doubt. martin, the AR situation is so completely different than Roger Mason Jr it's not even funny... i would have assumed u'd recognize the difference when you trade away an Allstar PF to acquire 1 guy who's 21 yo & has shown huge upside in past games he's played & plays a position that we've been looking for depth in all season long, & the other is a veteran FA signing on a minimum level contract playing a position that we have plenty of depth at already... the only reason we're even playing guys like Gallo, Wilson & Williams at the PF is because of MDA's desire to have guys who can shoot the 3 to spread the offense for Amare to work down low... we've been pining for help on the boards & a defensive presence in the paint in many games we've lost this year... could AR have helped us in those games? my opinion is he could have... not guaranteeing that he would have, but he's shown what he's capable of doing in the past, i think he can do so again given the proper opportunity... we can go back & forth on this all day, i'd just like to see AR get an extended run of minutes beyond just an 11 game stretch & he proves to me he is incapable of grasping the nuances of this system. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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