martin wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Any scenario is a best case scenario if we get Melo save for having to part with Galo AND Chandler.

People are down on our assests but we really have so many. Galo, Chandler, Fields, AR, Azabuike and his insured contract that comes off the books, Curry's expiring....that's a ton to work with whether it's just Knicks/Denver or a 3 way or 4 way deal.

It's not Harris and Favors, but that ship has (hopefully) sailed.

not for me. I am more comfortable giving up one of those guys and keeping Fields; that's how high I am on him.

Especially if you have 2 guys like Amare and Melo who NEED the ball, Fields just compliments them so well and actually plays a position that Melo doesn't cover.

Contend with...(8 guy rotation)

Felton/Rubio
Fields/Walker
Melo/Gallo
Amare/Gallo/?
Sammy D./Turiaf OR Moz (depending on which wasn't traded)

We will be a starting SG away from ongoing contention, maybe grab Ray Allen or Grant Hill for a final contract, or maybe Fields matures quickly into a multi-faceted SG/SF. We will retain Bird rights for a Gallo re-sign.

Thoughts? Think Sac or Minny would do it?

Moonangie wrote:1. Wait until the summer (presuming Melo's texted wink/blessing)...
2. Trade AR and Mozgov/Turiaf, $3mil, 2014 1st rounder, GS 2nd rounder for Rubio rights and filler (Rubio's camp reiterated today that he won't play in Minny and prefers NY, Miami, Boston.)
3. Trade Chandler, Buke, Mason Jr., $3mil, GS 2nd rounder for Sammy D. and filler.
4. Take back no bad contracts.
5. Sign Melo as a FA
6. Re-sign Sammy D. in the summer.

Contend with...(8 guy rotation)

Felton/Rubio
Fields/Walker
Melo/Gallo
Amare/Gallo/?
Sammy D./Turiaf OR Moz (depending on which wasn't traded)

We will be a starting SG away from ongoing contention, maybe grab Ray Allen or Grant Hill for a final contract, or maybe Fields matures quickly into a multi-faceted SG/SF. We will retain Bird rights for a Gallo re-sign.

Thoughts? Think Sac or Minny would do it?

Chandler, expirings & cash for Sammy Dalembert???... unless the Kings are including their 1st round pick unprotected i see zero logic behind making a trade like that... Dalembert would be a nice substitute for Curry if no Melo trade is made, but no way is he worth giving up any of our top young players to acquire, especially when he'll be a FA this summer anyway... Curry & a 2nd round pick is the most i'd offer.

i wouldn't mind trying to get Rubio's rights in exchange for AR & cash, but i doubt Kahn would make that deal... i bet he's probably thinking more along the lines of Sebastian Telfair & a protected 1st rd pick.

TMS wrote:

Moonangie wrote:1. Wait until the summer (presuming Melo's texted wink/blessing)...
2. Trade AR and Mozgov/Turiaf, $3mil, 2014 1st rounder, GS 2nd rounder for Rubio rights and filler (Rubio's camp reiterated today that he won't play in Minny and prefers NY, Miami, Boston.)
3. Trade Chandler, Buke, Mason Jr., $3mil, GS 2nd rounder for Sammy D. and filler.
4. Take back no bad contracts.
5. Sign Melo as a FA
6. Re-sign Sammy D. in the summer.

Contend with...(8 guy rotation)

Felton/Rubio
Fields/Walker
Melo/Gallo
Amare/Gallo/?
Sammy D./Turiaf OR Moz (depending on which wasn't traded)

We will be a starting SG away from ongoing contention, maybe grab Ray Allen or Grant Hill for a final contract, or maybe Fields matures quickly into a multi-faceted SG/SF. We will retain Bird rights for a Gallo re-sign.

Thoughts? Think Sac or Minny would do it?

Chandler, expirings & cash for Sammy Dalembert???... unless the Kings are including their 1st round pick unprotected i see zero logic behind making a trade like that... Dalembert would be a nice substitute for Curry if no Melo trade is made, but no way is he worth giving up any of our top young players to acquire, especially when he'll be a FA this summer anyway... Curry & a 2nd round pick is the most i'd offer.

i wouldn't mind trying to get Rubio's rights in exchange for AR & cash, but i doubt Kahn would make that deal... i bet he's probably thinking more along the lines of Sebastian Telfair & a protected 1st rd pick.

The thought is that we can't resign Chandler in the summer if we are going to sign Melo, so we should move him to get value at a position of need. We could ask for a lottery protected first, but the idea is to get Sammy D. here to shore up our interior D, and losing Chandler has little real bearing on our fortunes since we are going to lose him anyway. We have to give value to get back value, and right now it seems Sammy D. is our best option at the 5. We sign him to a 3yr deal with a team option for year 3 (i.e., just in case Dwight indicates he wants to join the Knicks for his next deal).

martin wrote:i like the thought process but #3 can't happen cause salaries dont match.

and even if you did this, #5 can't happen cause you would be capped out.

#3... We could take back expirings to make the salaries match, or adjust the deal as needed.
#5... If we moved Turiaf/Moz, AR, Chandler, Mason Jr. we would have enough cap space to ink Melo to a max deal, unless I am mistaken.

My objective is to remove pieces we aren't using (e.g., AR, Moz) and pieces we won't resign (e.g., Chandler, Buke) and get back value at positions of need (i.e., 5 and backup 1). These trades are all predicated on our *wink wink* knowledge that Melo will sign with us as a FA this summer because he prefers to sign to a Knicks roster that can contend rather than a depleted roster meant to obtain his extension pre-CBA mess. I think Melo wants to win and establish a NYC legacy above all else, including any extension.

ItalianStallion wrote:Is Rubio still even a target for the Knicks? We've already seen how poorly this offensive system operates when the PG isn't shooting well. The Pick and Roll becomes irrelevant because the defender can go under the pick and dare the PG to shoot. Rubio is NOT a shooter

Rubio is not a high-volume shooter and he currently lacks 3pt depth. But he is 20yo and can improve his shooting as he develops. His court sense is so well-developed, that he can make plays without relying exclusively on the P&R. And his shot is plenty good enough in the mid-range to keep defenses from collapsing on the other shooters. IMO, Rubio could make Gallo into a superstar and Williams into the new H20.

I could be wrong, he might be an NBA bust, but my gut tells me he will be a transcendent talent in the play-making department.

martin wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

martin wrote:i like the thought process but #3 can't happen cause salaries dont match.

and even if you did this, #5 can't happen cause you would be capped out.

#3... We could take back expirings to make the salaries match, or adjust the deal as needed.
#5... If we moved Turiaf/Moz, AR, Chandler, Mason Jr. we would have enough cap space to ink Melo to a max deal, unless I am mistaken.

regarding #3, you have to ADD more salary from the Knicks' side of things. Dalembert is making $12.2M this year. Chandler, Buke, Mason Jr. adds up to like $7M.
regarding #5, you are mistaken.

How about we swap Curry in the deal for Sammy D., and send Chandler to Minny for Rubio and filler? Then we can trade AR for an pick or a young shooter.

As to #5, are you suggesting there is no way for us to dump enough salary to get a max deal for Melo in the summer?

TMS wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

TMS wrote:

Moonangie wrote:1. Wait until the summer (presuming Melo's texted wink/blessing)...
2. Trade AR and Mozgov/Turiaf, $3mil, 2014 1st rounder, GS 2nd rounder for Rubio rights and filler (Rubio's camp reiterated today that he won't play in Minny and prefers NY, Miami, Boston.)
3. Trade Chandler, Buke, Mason Jr., $3mil, GS 2nd rounder for Sammy D. and filler.
4. Take back no bad contracts.
5. Sign Melo as a FA
6. Re-sign Sammy D. in the summer.

Contend with...(8 guy rotation)

Felton/Rubio
Fields/Walker
Melo/Gallo
Amare/Gallo/?
Sammy D./Turiaf OR Moz (depending on which wasn't traded)

We will be a starting SG away from ongoing contention, maybe grab Ray Allen or Grant Hill for a final contract, or maybe Fields matures quickly into a multi-faceted SG/SF. We will retain Bird rights for a Gallo re-sign.

Thoughts? Think Sac or Minny would do it?

Chandler, expirings & cash for Sammy Dalembert???... unless the Kings are including their 1st round pick unprotected i see zero logic behind making a trade like that... Dalembert would be a nice substitute for Curry if no Melo trade is made, but no way is he worth giving up any of our top young players to acquire, especially when he'll be a FA this summer anyway... Curry & a 2nd round pick is the most i'd offer.

i wouldn't mind trying to get Rubio's rights in exchange for AR & cash, but i doubt Kahn would make that deal... i bet he's probably thinking more along the lines of Sebastian Telfair & a protected 1st rd pick.

The thought is that we can't resign Chandler in the summer if we are going to sign Melo, so we should move him to get value at a position of need. We could ask for a lottery protected first, but the idea is to get Sammy D. here to shore up our interior D, and losing Chandler has little real bearing on our fortunes since we are going to lose him anyway. We have to give value to get back value, and right now it seems Sammy D. is our best option at the 5. We sign him to a 3yr deal with a team option for year 3 (i.e., just in case Dwight indicates he wants to join the Knicks for his next deal).

i agree to get value u have to give value back, but Dalembert isn't real value... the Kings are going to lose Dalembert anyway this summer, they're not going to invest longterm dollars in re-signing him when they have Cousins, Thompson & Whiteside to groom for their future... i don't see why u give up any of our top assets to get a guy who won't significantly impact the fortunes of our season this year... Dalembert is solid he's nowhere near Allstar calibre & isn't going to be the missing piece to put us over the edge from being a wannabe to real contention... if you're going to trade Wilson, u need to get back an asset you can use going forward, whether that be in the form of a high pick, or in a package for a real impact player... u can't make the same mistake we did in the D Lee trade & give up Wilson for a role player & get nothing else out of the other pieces we got back... why do u think DW is looking to trade AR to get back a pick now? so he can glean some kind of value out of that trade & use him as a piece to get a player that will make a significant impact on the team... & on top of Wilson u wanna give up expirings & cash too when u can use those kinds of assets to add 1st round picks every year? sorry, no offense but that's horrible.

I dunno man, we need a center that rebounds and blocks. If that said center can drain the little 10 - 12 foot jumper, then all the better. Turiaf doesn't have a 10-12 foot jumper tho, and he is a very important piece for us. To get some1 to help Ronnie would be a solid investment. Maybe Dalembert is not the answer, but if he can run a little- then maybe there is a good chance that he would fit well with us.

Ira wrote:I just caught this on bbi - a Giants message board. It really doesn't deserve it's own thread, so I stuck it here.

NFT: Knicks/Melo Deal Could Be Done By End Of The Week?
AD-Blaze : 1/24/2011 8:11 pm
Don't know how acurate of a source this is but Knicks fan blog re-tweeted this and it caught my eye. Like I said I don't know if there is any truth to this so we shall see...i'm just the messenger.

Quote:
RT @KnicksGM: Sources just indicated to me that #knicks and Melo deal could be done by the end of the week..

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=398251

So here I am, 24-7 on ultimateknicks popping no-doze and drinking coffee waiting for up to the minute Melo updates, and its a football board that breaks the news Go figure.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:They said Denver isn't high on Chandler because he is going to need to be paid soon. He's good and playing like one of the top 35 players in the league (don't know where they got that from, I like him but don't agree) but they don't wanna trade for someone who will immediately be a RFA and they'll have to compete with teams to keep him.

Fields' talent to salary ratio is crazy, he's making like 700k and is starting and making an impact on a winning team. He still has upside and has the most value.

Gallo, they weren't as high on him, he's not having as good a year as he had last year (duh, no STAT last year) but he's good and hes young. He will need to be resigned soon too, tho. They like him somewhat, but blah, blah, blah.

Curry + AR/pick/s are the obvious parts of any deal.

IF your saying STAT is the reason for Gallo's fall off, then what do you attribute to Chandlers improvement. That's why I have to disagree with you. STAT didn't cause Gallo's piss poor shooting most of the season.

He has an intensity problem (gallo) imo. It's the only thing I can think of that would account for his in-game disappearing act.

Used to be perplexed by this as well. I read this on another thread, possibly this one, but I think the following explanation makes the most sense:

Amare = Option # 1
Felton = Option # 2

Gallo is somewhere in there maybe with Chandler as 3a and 3b. A lot of his production depends on the Knicks going to him vs. forcing it to Amare time and time again down the stretch.