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1/10/2011  2:13 AM
Killa4luv wrote:Nets haven't requested permission to speak with Melo, its hard to believe theyd trade their youth for a star who might not stay. It would be irresponsible of the nets cuz theyd suck even more if he left them.

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Maybe the Nets think if they trade for Carmelo and he still refuse to sign an extention they can trade him to New York for Gallo and a 1st and 2nd round pick and move on.

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1/10/2011  2:37 AM
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Killa4luv wrote:Nets haven't requested permission to speak with Melo, its hard to believe theyd trade their youth for a star who might not stay. It would be irresponsible of the nets cuz theyd suck even more if he left them.

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Maybe the Nets think if they trade for Carmelo and he still refuse to sign an extention they can trade him to New York for Gallo and a 1st and 2nd round pick and move on.

no cuz then it will totally different numbers to match up with, we'd have to unload damn near the whole team to make the numbers match. Certainly Chandler would have to be involved.

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1/10/2011  4:32 AM
If you look at the video on Tommy Dee's blog- does that really look like a player who is pleased and wants to go to Denver?! Maybe his agent is pushing him, but he really should think back to Marbury's decision to sign with the Nets years ago, and how far away it is from being with the Knicks (even if that didn't quite work out for him either!).

I think the team exec who's saying melo will sign with the Nets, is the Nets exec, who's really pushing the Nuggets to do the trade. A bit odd that the Nuggets played Billups and Melo in last nights game if they really were ready to pull the trigger.

It's clear now from Hahn's twitter that the Nuggets don't want to trade him to the Knicks out of spite- I don't think it's a negotiating stance with us at all. Remember the Raptors did xactly the same thing with Vince carter when they traded him to the Nets instead of us for that pathetic package of players, when we'd offered a much better deal. Same with Sheed to the Pistons.

Really Dumars should quit the Pistons- this trade is pathetic for them- all they get for Rip is an expiring contract?! AND they have to take on Petro's contract?!

Well, the next few days should be interesting- we'll find out if Melo will really sign an extension with the Nets, and so he'll either be traded or the Nuggets will find out they have to deal with us. If Melo does go to the Nets, then it free's up Walsh to make a trade or two and take on salary to improve the team this year. At least we'll be able to put all this behind us.

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1/10/2011  7:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2011  7:13 AM
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skeng wrote:Nets shooting themselves in the foot trying to hunt this Melo shyt down. If this trade doesn't go down it's not looking good for that franchise. Two highly respected, national team playing guys both making it known that they're not playing for the Nets, ever. Ouch.

Billups likely doesnt want to go to the Nets because he knows he is not apart of their future and is just trade fodder until they can replace him.

At the end of the day Carmelo wants out of Denver and wants his money. People can pretend Newark is not 15 minutes from Manhattan all they like but facts are the Nets will be in Brooklyn in 2 yrs when Carmelo will be just 28 years old.


I think (and hope) you're right. I think the most likely scenario is that by the time the trade deadline has passed, Carmelo will be a Net and will have signed a 6 year, max contract. He'll live in Manhattan and celebrate his new $120 mil deal.
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1/10/2011  7:38 AM
Papabear wrote:
Killa4luv wrote:Nets haven't requested permission to speak with Melo, its hard to believe theyd trade their youth for a star who might not stay. It would be irresponsible of the nets cuz theyd suck even more if he left them.

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Maybe the Nets think if they trade for Carmelo and he still refuse to sign an extention they can trade him to New York for Gallo and a 1st and 2nd round pick and move on.

there is no way on earth the nets are trading melo to the knicks if they get him.

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1/10/2011  7:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2011  7:41 AM
Not much of a surprise here from Denver's standpoint, trading Melo to NYK would be admitting defeat for the Nuggets and they are obviously not willing to go that route.

From Melo's perspective, I just don't see why he would want to go to NJ with Chauncey and Rip. I mean, unless the Nets are able to get Paul in 2 years, this trade essentially cements NJ as a first round exit team for the next few seasons.

I mean, is it really just about the money? I mean, we're only hearing about a 3 year extension, it's not like Melo is going for 6 years where the hit would be much greater. Add to that the notion that even current contracts may be reduced and it really doesn't make any sense why Melo would give in like this to Denver.

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1/10/2011  7:42 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
I think (and hope) you're right. I think the most likely scenario is that by the time the trade deadline has passed, Carmelo will be a Net and will have signed a 6 year, max contract. He'll live in Manhattan and celebrate his new $120 mil deal.

And then he'll realise that the Nets will have to sign over rated centre Lopez to a max deal, leaving them with no PG (Billups will be gone by then), a retiring, declining Rip Hamilton who may be gone too, and no cap room to get any significant upgrades (new CBA may get rid of the MLE too). He can then finish the season early with a first round exit, giving him plenty of time to retire to his manhattan apartment and watch our championship parade below!

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1/10/2011  7:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2011  7:54 AM
meanwhile, if the nets do end up with a re-signed melo i think it leaves walsh in a pretty difficult spot.

amar'e is in his prime, and is still a risk in the next few years with his left knee. the options for getting a player of similar caliber in free agency is zilch this coming summer.

i am not too excited about some of the options folks are touting either.

i'm hoping this deal does not go through or melo does not re-sign.

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1/10/2011  8:03 AM
ahh... yes, hopefully the end is near. So sick of hearing about this guy. Knicks have their own team and its loaded with young talent and getting better all the time.
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1/10/2011  9:28 AM
fishmike wrote:ahh... yes, hopefully the end is near. So sick of hearing about this guy. Knicks have their own team and its loaded with young talent and getting better all the time.

Unfortunately he is being traded into the Knicks division, which means you will have to hear about it when and if they beat the Knicks. Forget it if the Nets start winning at a higher rate than the Knicks.

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1/10/2011  9:32 AM
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fishmike wrote:ahh... yes, hopefully the end is near. So sick of hearing about this guy. Knicks have their own team and its loaded with young talent and getting better all the time.

Unfortunately he is being traded into the Knicks division, which means you will have to hear about it when and if they beat the Knicks. Forget it if the Nets start winning at a higher rate than the Knicks.

Melo is NOT Jason Kidd. He'll make them better without a doubt... but he's not guaranteed to being any team to a championship (Not that Kidd did either, but he lifted that Nets team to a new stratosphere). Melo is not the end all. There will be other options after the guy.

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1/10/2011  10:43 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/1917/five-pending-melo-to-nets-questions

Five Pending 'Melo-to-Nets Questions
January, 10, 2011
Jan 10
7:38
AM ET


By Chris Sheridan
Good morning. Like most days, the sun rose in the East today, and there was a bunch of news on the Carmelo Anthony trade front.

News, but no trade.

A New Jersey-Denver-Detroit megatrade is indeed in the works, with the Nets extraordinarily confident that Anthony will agree to a deal sending him to Newark, where he would team with Chauncey Billups (maybe), Richard Hamilton, Brook Lopez and Kris Humphries to form a starting five that should have a decent shot at competing for the No. 8 seed in the East, after which Billups will turn 35, Hamilton will turn 34, and another season will be spent in purgatory while the Nets cross their fingers and pray that their new arena in Brooklyn (originally scheduled to open more than five years ago) will be ready to go in the fall of 2012.

Things that make you go "Hmmmm"?

That'll serve as the preliminary question, and here are five more follow-up questions to ponder as we go through our respective Mondays awaiting definitive word from Anthony himself on whether or not he'll agree to sign the three-year, $65 million contract extension that will lock him up through the 2014-15 season.

Question No. 1: Will the trade happen?

Possibly yes, possibly no. But when Anthony was asked after last night's loss to New Orleans whether he believed he had played his last game for the Nuggets, he uttered the same phrase five times: "Not at all. Not at all. Not at all. Not at all. Just not at all." Pressed on whether that means he hasn't agreed to sign the extension with the Nets, he replied: "I haven't heard anything on that. It's just been speculation as of right now. Masai (Ujiri, Denver's executive vice president of basketball operations) and Josh (Kroenke, the Nuggets president) are not even here. So I don't see that happening.'' Not happening for how long, Carmelo? "I'm just saying I don't see it happening right now.''

Question No. 2: What is the key factor holding up the trade?

The Nets need to get a commitment from Anthony that he'll sign the extension, and they received word Sunday (not the first time they've been told this) that Anthony was amenable to the deal. But did they hear that from Anthony himself? Or from his representatives, Leon Rose and William Wesley? Because at the end of the day, no matter how many people in Anthony's camp are telling him and/or pressuring him to sign off on the deal, it still comes down to whether Anthony himself says "Yes" or "No."

Question No. 3: What do the Knicks think of all this?

They are best described as flabbergasted, for the following reasons: The know they are Anthony's preferred destination, and they are flummoxed by the notion that Anthony would give up all his leverage in early January with the trade deadline still six weeks away, postulating that the fatigue from all the drama and the pressure from those in Anthony's camp may have worn him down. They also are perplexed as to why Anthony's representatives are pushing for a trade to a destination where their client does not want to go.

Question No. 4: Why would Rose and Wesley push for a trade to the Nets when the Knicks are their client's preferred destination?

Good question, and there is no clear answer. But here is something to consider: Anthony signed his current contract when he was represented by BDA Sports, which continues to collect a commission on Anthony's salary, meaning CAA (Rose and Wesley's agency) has not made a dime off Anthony's salary since wooing him to join their megastar client list, which includes LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and Chris Paul. If Anthony agrees to the New Jersey trade and signs his extension, he becomes a revenue producer for CAA (the industry standard is for agents to collect 4 percent of their client's salary).

Question No. 5: What will Anthony do?

No definite answer for that one, either. But consider this: One of the players Anthony would be traded with, Chauncey Billups, wants no part of the Nets, and he has presumably made this known to the player who sits across from him in the Nuggets locker room. Another player who would end up in New Jersey, Richard Hamilton, is also repped by Rose and Wesley, and it's fair to say Hamilton would prefer to be anywhere but Detroit, where he has lost his starting job and logged just 19 and 18 minutes in the Pistons' last two games. If he agreed to go to the Nets, Anthony would be in a starting five with Lopez, who grabbed just one rebound in a loss to Milwaukee on Saturday night in which Andrew Bogut did not play and Ersan Ilyasova started at center for the Bucks. The notion that he'd be a part of a championship-contending team? Preposterous.

So we'll wait and see what happens.

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1/10/2011  2:14 PM
smackeddog wrote:If you look at the video on Tommy Dee's blog- does that really look like a player who is pleased and wants to go to Denver?! Maybe his agent is pushing him, but he really should think back to Marbury's decision to sign with the Nets years ago, and how far away it is from being with the Knicks (even if that didn't quite work out for him either!).

I think the team exec who's saying melo will sign with the Nets, is the Nets exec, who's really pushing the Nuggets to do the trade. A bit odd that the Nuggets played Billups and Melo in last nights game if they really were ready to pull the trigger.

It's clear now from Hahn's twitter that the Nuggets don't want to trade him to the Knicks out of spite- I don't think it's a negotiating stance with us at all. Remember the Raptors did xactly the same thing with Vince carter when they traded him to the Nets instead of us for that pathetic package of players, when we'd offered a much better deal. Same with Sheed to the Pistons.

Really Dumars should quit the Pistons- this trade is pathetic for them- all they get for Rip is an expiring contract?! AND they have to take on Petro's contract?!

Well, the next few days should be interesting- we'll find out if Melo will really sign an extension with the Nets, and so he'll either be traded or the Nuggets will find out they have to deal with us. If Melo does go to the Nets, then it free's up Walsh to make a trade or two and take on salary to improve the team this year. At least we'll be able to put all this behind us.

i agree, i think the Nuggets have shut themselves off to the thought of trading Melo to the Knicks regardless of what we were ready to offer... they didn't even give us a chance to present them with any offers... F em if that's how they wanna operate... Melo's gonna force his way out of NJ within a year.

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1/10/2011  2:20 PM
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fishmike wrote:ahh... yes, hopefully the end is near. So sick of hearing about this guy. Knicks have their own team and its loaded with young talent and getting better all the time.

Unfortunately he is being traded into the Knicks division, which means you will have to hear about it when and if they beat the Knicks. Forget it if the Nets start winning at a higher rate than the Knicks.

yes... I am very afraid he will duplicate the numberous deep runs and many successes he had in Denver with a less talented NJ team. Is Brook Lopez better than Nene/Camby/KMart? Is Rip Hamilton better than Billups? AI?

Who cares... He's not Lebron, or like previously mentioned he's not even Jason Kidd in his prime. He's like a preinjury Gilbert Arenas. He won Wash a few playoff games but whoop de do. NJ is doing a great job building a 45 win team for the next few years. Happy for them

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1/10/2011  2:25 PM
I just don't see why the Nets would go all in on this deal. No one is going to go see them play until they move to BK. This doesn't make them a top 4 team and ties up all there money for a backcourt that peaked 3 years ago.

Lopez/Favors and cap room in the offseason and the next year or two is much more appealing long term especially if they are trying to build a championship team.

They would be much better served to wait for Howard, Griffin, Paul, Williams in 2012 and maintain there assets.

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1/10/2011  2:29 PM
I was under the impression that they were going to do the deal with or without Melo's approval.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/10/si-com-where-is-melo-headed/ from SI.com

"And if somehow the deal falls through? If Anthony rejects the trade? Well, that would put both New Jersey and Denver in very unfavorable positions as the Nets will have lost one of the sport's top free agents, while Denver would have to make a deal with the Knicks, find a team willing to "rent" Anthony out for the rest of the season or convince him to accept an extension."

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1/10/2011  2:31 PM
Looking less and less likely he'll reconsider and remain in Denver

Carmelo Anthony getting booed in Denver

Denver Nuggets fans are getting in their parting shots at Carmelo Anthony.

With trade rumors heating up about a three-way deal that would send Anthony to the New Jersey Nets, Melo may have played his last home game for Denver last night. He scored only eight points in 34 minutes and was booed when he re-entered the contest in the fourth quarter.

"You hear it," Anthony told the Denver Post. "Does it affect me? Not at all. It hurt a little bit knowing that it's coming from my home- team fans, but other than that, I try to go out and play hard every night. If they like it, they like it. If they want to boo, they want to boo."

Last time Anthony was held to single-digit scoring was Feb. 2, 2005.

-- Tom Weir

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-getting-booed-in-denver/1

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1/10/2011  2:55 PM
MS wrote:I just don't see why the Nets would go all in on this deal. No one is going to go see them play until they move to BK. This doesn't make them a top 4 team and ties up all there money for a backcourt that peaked 3 years ago.

Lopez/Favors and cap room in the offseason and the next year or two is much more appealing long term especially if they are trying to build a championship team.

They would be much better served to wait for Howard, Griffin, Paul, Williams in 2012 and maintain there assets.

I think that was their approach once Ratner took over the team. They have been rebuilding for awhile, and while they have gotten some players from the draft I think they want to take the next step. They only were able to sign Outlaw and Morrow despite having a ton of cap space. They need to make a splash and I think they have a chance in free agency until they get a guy like Melo.
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1/10/2011  3:19 PM
MS wrote:I just don't see why the Nets would go all in on this deal. No one is going to go see them play until they move to BK. This doesn't make them a top 4 team and ties up all there money for a backcourt that peaked 3 years ago.

Lopez/Favors and cap room in the offseason and the next year or two is much more appealing long term especially if they are trying to build a championship team.

They would be much better served to wait for Howard, Griffin, Paul, Williams in 2012 and maintain there assets.

the Nets are desperately trying to get a face to represent their franchise... they need some legitimacy... right now their team has none & they can't continue along this path when they're trying to gain some fan hype for their pending move to Brooklyn to compete w/the Knicks in their own city... a 1 year run at the playoffs is worth the effort for them if they come out of it with a franchise star to build around.

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1/10/2011  3:35 PM
Again if the guy really wants to win there is no way he goes to a team that will "contend" for teh 8th seed, with no immediate prospects of getting better.
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SI reporter tweets: Exec involved in talks: "Melo will sign with Jersey. Nets are completely convinced of that now."

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