The 3 ball is a major part of our offense and isn't some lucky thing we get once in a while as you seem to be making it out to be.

yes, i realize we rely heavily on the 3 ball... that's a major problem i have w/this offense but it is what it is.

The Heat's D is smothering but it's not unbeatable.

not too many teams seem to have figured out how to beat it... perhaps you should contact these teams & show them how to do it.

TMS wrote:

The 3 ball is a major part of our offense and isn't some lucky thing we get once in a while as you seem to be making it out to be.

yes, i realize we rely heavily on the 3 ball... that's a major problem i have w/this offense but it is what it is.

The Heat's D is smothering but it's not unbeatable.

not too many teams seem to have figured out how to beat it... perhaps you should contact these teams & show them how to do it.

not sure if there is an imaginary cutoff, but lots of the top teams - LAL, SAS, Dallas, ORL - all shoot from 3point land a lot. NY is def tops, but it's backed up/justified by FG% and AFG% etc. In fact, I think I looked up the stats once on championship teams, and their 3PFG% and the 3PFGA were all pretty much top 10 in the league at the time.

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

The 3 ball is a major part of our offense and isn't some lucky thing we get once in a while as you seem to be making it out to be.

yes, i realize we rely heavily on the 3 ball... that's a major problem i have w/this offense but it is what it is.

The Heat's D is smothering but it's not unbeatable.

not too many teams seem to have figured out how to beat it... perhaps you should contact these teams & show them how to do it.

not sure if there is an imaginary cutoff, but lots of the top teams - LAL, SAS, Dallas, ORL - all shoot from 3point land a lot. NY is def tops, but it's backed up/justified by FG% and AFG% etc. In fact, I think I looked up the stats once on championship teams, and their 3PFG% and the 3PFGA were all pretty much top 10 in the league at the time.

Now here with a new team he's doing the same things with a heavy reliance on the PnR and 3's. Of course that's oversimplifying the offense, but you get the idea. If you do it once you can say a guy is lucky, but come on...

As for our chances against the Heat. They are a tough team and really they're the only team that flat outclassed us in that 2nd half like that. The evidence I'm looking at suggests that part of that was fatigue. That game came at the end of a brutal schedule and 2 other tough games, when our roster was very weak. Turiaf and TD in particular were hurting. I think we can be much more competitive than that. NO i'm not saying we're as good or better than the Heat, just that we aren't that far off from them as that game made it seem.

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

The 3 ball is a major part of our offense and isn't some lucky thing we get once in a while as you seem to be making it out to be.

yes, i realize we rely heavily on the 3 ball... that's a major problem i have w/this offense but it is what it is.

The Heat's D is smothering but it's not unbeatable.

not too many teams seem to have figured out how to beat it... perhaps you should contact these teams & show them how to do it.

not sure if there is an imaginary cutoff, but lots of the top teams - LAL, SAS, Dallas, ORL - all shoot from 3point land a lot. NY is def tops, but it's backed up/justified by FG% and AFG% etc. In fact, I think I looked up the stats once on championship teams, and their 3PFG% and the 3PFGA were all pretty much top 10 in the league at the time.

I find it laughable that we're still debating the merits of this approach given the fact that when he's been able to do it, his teams win big.

i question his approach because no team has ever been able to win championships following this style of play, even when he's had a better roster than the one he's working with now... it's laughable to you that anyone would question it because you will defend MDA til the point of death regardless of what anyone says or feels to the contrary... u are a huge fan of MDA, which is your right, but not everyone has to share in your esteem of this coach or outlook on how they'd like to see this team play.

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

The 3 ball is a major part of our offense and isn't some lucky thing we get once in a while as you seem to be making it out to be.

yes, i realize we rely heavily on the 3 ball... that's a major problem i have w/this offense but it is what it is.

The Heat's D is smothering but it's not unbeatable.

not too many teams seem to have figured out how to beat it... perhaps you should contact these teams & show them how to do it.

not sure if there is an imaginary cutoff, but lots of the top teams - LAL, SAS, Dallas, ORL - all shoot from 3point land a lot. NY is def tops, but it's backed up/justified by FG% and AFG% etc. In fact, I think I looked up the stats once on championship teams, and their 3PFG% and the 3PFGA were all pretty much top 10 in the league at the time.

I find it laughable that we're still debating the merits of this approach given the fact that when he's been able to do it, his teams win big.

i question his approach because no team has ever been able to win championships following this style of play, even when he's had a better roster than the one he's working with now... it's laughable to you that anyone would question it because you will defend MDA til the point of death regardless of what anyone says or feels to the contrary... u are a huge fan of MDA, which is your right, but not everyone has to share in your esteem of this coach or outlook on how they'd like to see this team play.

Has Mike ever had the strongest roster in the NBA? Usually that team ends up winning. It's just the nature of the league. In any event we can't judge coaches merely on whether they win titles, cuz there are a lot of great coaches that just haven't had the horses but did the best they could with what they had. Mike IMO gets his teams to overachieve. From everything i've see in his history that's been the case. His 62 win season was more than any expected. The 54 win season without Amar'e when they made it to the WCF's is another case of that. We are currently doing more than expected, so what the heck is your beef?

martin wrote:

s3231 wrote:Was just skimming this thread and found it hilarious that it was suggested the Heat didn't have anything to give up of value to land the big FAs. From what I remember, a lot of people were questioning why Miami gave up Beasley (only a former 2nd overall pick) to clear cap space (and for that awesome 2nd round pick). I mean, the guy is averaging 22 ppg right now, but oh yeah, he sucks....

Point is, Riley sacrificed one of his major young talents to ensure a chance at becoming a contender. I'm not advocating that we give up all of our young assets to bring Melo here, but sometimes you do have to make a difficult choice or take a big risk to take that step to the next level. If we can sign Melo in FA, great. If not, we shouldn't be afraid to make an offer with some of our young guys (without offering up all of them of course).

Riley gave Beasley away AFTER he had Bosh, LeBron, Wade signed to contracts. Beasley was given up for Mike Miller, Haslem etc.

And even Beasley sucks compared to Ill Wilson, Gallo, and Fields. He's putting up numbers on Minny, big deal. Guy is a lunatic.

orangeblobman wrote:

martin wrote:

s3231 wrote:Was just skimming this thread and found it hilarious that it was suggested the Heat didn't have anything to give up of value to land the big FAs. From what I remember, a lot of people were questioning why Miami gave up Beasley (only a former 2nd overall pick) to clear cap space (and for that awesome 2nd round pick). I mean, the guy is averaging 22 ppg right now, but oh yeah, he sucks....

Point is, Riley sacrificed one of his major young talents to ensure a chance at becoming a contender. I'm not advocating that we give up all of our young assets to bring Melo here, but sometimes you do have to make a difficult choice or take a big risk to take that step to the next level. If we can sign Melo in FA, great. If not, we shouldn't be afraid to make an offer with some of our young guys (without offering up all of them of course).

Riley gave Beasley away AFTER he had Bosh, LeBron, Wade signed to contracts. Beasley was given up for Mike Miller, Haslem etc.

And even Beasley sucks compared to Ill Wilson, Gallo, and Fields. He's putting up numbers on Minny, big deal. Guy is a lunatic.

Chandler and Gallo were both on some pretty bad Knick teams and neither were able to put up over 20 ppg. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure Beasley also contributed to a playoff team in his rookie season.

Not saying any player is better than the other, but if you want to prove that Beasley is not on the level of a Gallo/Chandler, you have to say more than "he's putting up numbers on Minny." Everything Beasley has done to this point suggests he's a similar prospect (as far as value) to Gallo and Wilson. Can't just dismiss the guy's talent because he's on a bad team (we would have to do same with Gallo and Chandler since they were on bad teams in the past).

It's easy...you play better as a team. That's like the Sir Charles thing "Basketball is easy..."

So is this the question the Knicks will pose for the next 5 years? Or can this team do it? If they do, does it
mean anything since Miller and Haslem are out? Last summer few thought we had any chance. The first half
against the Heat was some of the finest basketball I have seen by this Knick team. I hope to see even better tomorrow.

Fear the Beard!!

TMS wrote:yes, i realize we rely heavily on the 3 ball... that's a major problem i have w/this offense but it is what it is.

I see your point about this. The 3 point shot is a streaky kind of thing for most teams and shooters. But with the athletes playing in the NBA today, you need to be able to stretch the floor and make defenses pay if they pack the paint, or sag off the perimeter.

With an athletic team like Miami it's even more critical to have very good 3 point shooting. Lebron and Wade can cover so much ground defensively that you need it as a core component of your offense against them. Against other teams that are not as athletic you can use more midrange shot making perhaps.

This Miami team is so well put together. They thrive off of people not liking them. I say if we play hard and keep the score close I can take that. In no way will the refs let us beat the heat. Wade with the refs calling bogus foul calls on us all through the game will hurt us. I don't see any way we can win this game. Miami have great snipers who came hit the 3 all night long. Like I said before put AR on Lebron for 15 - 20 min and tell him to stick like glue. Tell AR he better not take a shot! Just rebound and give the ball to Felton. I think that can be the x factor in this game besides Gallo and Chandler scoring over 20 points each. That is a must for us to win. Can we do it? I really don't know. I'll be happy with an improvement from the last game. We are going up against 3 legit superstars with great snipers as a supporting cast.

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

The 3 ball is a major part of our offense and isn't some lucky thing we get once in a while as you seem to be making it out to be.

yes, i realize we rely heavily on the 3 ball... that's a major problem i have w/this offense but it is what it is.

The Heat's D is smothering but it's not unbeatable.

not too many teams seem to have figured out how to beat it... perhaps you should contact these teams & show them how to do it.

not sure if there is an imaginary cutoff, but lots of the top teams - LAL, SAS, Dallas, ORL - all shoot from 3point land a lot. NY is def tops, but it's backed up/justified by FG% and AFG% etc. In fact, I think I looked up the stats once on championship teams, and their 3PFG% and the 3PFGA were all pretty much top 10 in the league at the time.

I find it laughable that we're still debating the merits of this approach given the fact that when he's been able to do it, his teams win big.

i question his approach because no team has ever been able to win championships following this style of play, even when he's had a better roster than the one he's working with now... it's laughable to you that anyone would question it because you will defend MDA til the point of death regardless of what anyone says or feels to the contrary... u are a huge fan of MDA, which is your right, but not everyone has to share in your esteem of this coach or outlook on how they'd like to see this team play.

Has Mike ever had the strongest roster in the NBA? Usually that team ends up winning. It's just the nature of the league. In any event we can't judge coaches merely on whether they win titles, cuz there are a lot of great coaches that just haven't had the horses but did the best they could with what they had. Mike IMO gets his teams to overachieve. From everything i've see in his history that's been the case. His 62 win season was more than any expected. The 54 win season without Amar'e when they made it to the WCF's is another case of that. We are currently doing more than expected, so what the heck is your beef?

i don't have a beef... i have concerns... what the heck is your beef with me voicing my concerns?