martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

loweyecue wrote:After tree million threads on it, I still don't get all the negativity aimed at Melo. He is a bad defender (except when he wants to be good) and may not be the best character guy but he does what he does better than ANYBODY in the league RIGHT NOW. Now we cant give up three starters for him because then we wont have a team to put on the floor, but he should remain our primary target.

loweyecue,

Unfortunately, too many people have bought into the idea that Melo is somehow not an upgrade over Wilson & Gallo because he hasn't been able to carry his team to the NBA Finals. So your suggestion is doomed to failure in their tests.

I, on the other hand think he is a clear upgrade, I think Amare and Melo will make each other better. Also if Amare is out, then Melo assures you that an established & consistent scoring threat is on the floor at all times. If you can get Melo while keeping at least 1 of our top young players, that lineup will improve our team while upgrading our core significantly, & you will also have the ability to fill other holes using the salary exceptions this summer to bring role players to fill the other holes like some of the ones being discussed on this thread.

just messin' w/ya rvwink

i have heard crickets on this post.

martin wrote:Let's say Melo costs the Knicks Gallo, AR, Curry, TD. Not too unfair an assumption.

Can someone tell me how the Knicks come up with role players, bench, second PG and protection for Amare? Note that you will only have the MLE every other year.

Turiaf	 $4,360,000 
Amare	 $18,217,705 
Melo	 $18,500,000 
Fields	 $788,872 
Felton	 $7,560,000 
Moz	 $3,343,896 
Chandler $6,300,000 
Rautins  $788,872 
Williams $788,872 
----------------------------
	 $60,648,217

put some real players and numbers and ideas if you think it's possible. I don't.

Also note that Miami is in the same situation and will be competing against you for players: Amare + Melo + Felton is not better than LeBron + Bosh + Wade EVER especially if both teams are capped out.

i've given you a list several times of the types of role players i would target this summer if we make a trade for Melo... i know for a fact i already answered this question on another thread... guys like Shane Battier, Andrei Kirilenko, Jonas Jerebko, Josh McRoberts, Mike Dunleavy, Jr., CJ Miles, Al Thornton, Josh Howard or Troy Murphy would make more than able replacements for AR & Gallo in this rotation... or u have the option to split the MLE on lesser guys like Matt Barnes, Jared Dudley, Dante Cunningham, Brandan Wright, Louis Amundson, Jared Fishlips & Vlad Radmanovic... or if you want to beef up in the frontcourt u can target someone like Spencer Hawes, Glen Davis, Reggie Evans, Kenyon Martin, Joel Pryzbilla, Carl Landry, Big Z, Nick Collison, Nenad Krstic or Chris Wilcox... or if u wanna target a PG then Goran Dragic, Leandro Barbosa, TJ Ford, Mario Chalmers or Shannon Brown are always an option.

btw, you actually do get the MLE every year... it's the LLE bi-annual exception you get every other year that you're getting confused with, which btw, we will also have at our disposal this summer because we didn't use it this year... with that you can sign a backup PG like a JJ Barea, Carlos Arroyo or Earl Watson

is Miami going to sign up all of these guys & leave us with no other options? i hardly think so... u make it sound as if we're so limited if we trade for Melo... i completely disagree... there are so many other options available to us even if we make a Melo trade, in fact it gives us more options that we'd necessarily have if we waited til free agency to sign him outright, because we're looking at having to renounce Wilson & dumping Ronny's contract to make that happen & wouldn't have either of our exceptions to use to bring in any of those guys on my list or on yours... your proposal effectively takes us out of any running to bring in any star players going forward unless we make a trade for them as well... we'd have to give up assets any way you wanna look at it... you can't put together a championship roster w/o risking some good assets.

put sure real salaries and scenarios out there. Some of the guys you mentioned are under salary for their own current team. You just throw names out there and say "it can happen".

what are you talking about? every guy i listed is either a RFA or UFA this summer... i see no reason why any of them would command more than a MLE in their next contract... some of them can come at significantly less... what difference does it make if i attach some random arbitrary number figure next to their names? it could be more or less than what i predict... the point is there are any number of options to look at in free agency that you can realistically target using your MLE & LLE's this summer.

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

loweyecue wrote:After tree million threads on it, I still don't get all the negativity aimed at Melo. He is a bad defender (except when he wants to be good) and may not be the best character guy but he does what he does better than ANYBODY in the league RIGHT NOW. Now we cant give up three starters for him because then we wont have a team to put on the floor, but he should remain our primary target.

loweyecue,

Unfortunately, too many people have bought into the idea that Melo is somehow not an upgrade over Wilson & Gallo because he hasn't been able to carry his team to the NBA Finals. So your suggestion is doomed to failure in their tests.

I, on the other hand think he is a clear upgrade, I think Amare and Melo will make each other better. Also if Amare is out, then Melo assures you that an established & consistent scoring threat is on the floor at all times. If you can get Melo while keeping at least 1 of our top young players, that lineup will improve our team while upgrading our core significantly, & you will also have the ability to fill other holes using the salary exceptions this summer to bring role players to fill the other holes like some of the ones being discussed on this thread.

just messin' w/ya rvwink

i have heard crickets on this post.

martin wrote:Let's say Melo costs the Knicks Gallo, AR, Curry, TD. Not too unfair an assumption.

Can someone tell me how the Knicks come up with role players, bench, second PG and protection for Amare? Note that you will only have the MLE every other year.

Turiaf	 $4,360,000 
Amare	 $18,217,705 
Melo	 $18,500,000 
Fields	 $788,872 
Felton	 $7,560,000 
Moz	 $3,343,896 
Chandler $6,300,000 
Rautins  $788,872 
Williams $788,872 
----------------------------
	 $60,648,217

put some real players and numbers and ideas if you think it's possible. I don't.

Also note that Miami is in the same situation and will be competing against you for players: Amare + Melo + Felton is not better than LeBron + Bosh + Wade EVER especially if both teams are capped out.

i've given you a list several times of the types of role players i would target this summer if we make a trade for Melo... i know for a fact i already answered this question on another thread... guys like Shane Battier, Andrei Kirilenko, Jonas Jerebko, Josh McRoberts, Mike Dunleavy, Jr., CJ Miles, Al Thornton, Josh Howard or Troy Murphy would make more than able replacements for AR & Gallo in this rotation... or u have the option to split the MLE on lesser guys like Matt Barnes, Jared Dudley, Dante Cunningham, Brandan Wright, Louis Amundson, Jared Fishlips & Vlad Radmanovic... or if you want to beef up in the frontcourt u can target someone like Spencer Hawes, Glen Davis, Reggie Evans, Kenyon Martin, Joel Pryzbilla, Carl Landry, Big Z, Nick Collison, Nenad Krstic or Chris Wilcox... or if u wanna target a PG then Goran Dragic, Leandro Barbosa, TJ Ford, Mario Chalmers or Shannon Brown are always an option.

btw, you actually do get the MLE every year... it's the LLE bi-annual exception you get every other year that you're getting confused with, which btw, we will also have at our disposal this summer because we didn't use it this year... with that you can sign a backup PG like a JJ Barea, Carlos Arroyo or Earl Watson

is Miami going to sign up all of these guys & leave us with no other options? i hardly think so... u make it sound as if we're so limited if we trade for Melo... i completely disagree... there are so many other options available to us even if we make a Melo trade, in fact it gives us more options that we'd necessarily have if we waited til free agency to sign him outright, because we're looking at having to renounce Wilson & dumping Ronny's contract to make that happen & wouldn't have either of our exceptions to use to bring in any of those guys on my list or on yours... your proposal effectively takes us out of any running to bring in any star players going forward unless we make a trade for them as well... we'd have to give up assets any way you wanna look at it... you can't put together a championship roster w/o risking some good assets.

put sure real salaries and scenarios out there. Some of the guys you mentioned are under salary for their own current team. You just throw names out there and say "it can happen".

what are you talking about? every guy i listed is either a RFA or UFA this summer... i see no reason why any of them would command more than a MLE in their next contract... some of them can come at significantly less... what difference does it make if i attach some random arbitrary number figure next to their names? it could be more or less than what i predict... the point is there are any number of options to look at in free agency that you can realistically target using your MLE & LLE's this summer.

Jared Dudley has like a 5 year contract. Same with Collison. Goran Dragic is on rookie contract and has QO and PHO is keeping that kid. Matt Barnes is going to split the MLE to leave the Lakers and come to the Knicks? Big Z and Mario Chalmers gonna leave MIA to come to the Knicks?

I guess thanks for keeping things realistic. The main point of my whole thread was to create a Plan B that didn't involve Melo. If you think you can build a team with Melo, show me. This is not fantasy land where you can just list 20 dudes and say they are all options on a team, that's not what Donnie is dealing with.

It's not that hard to go down a list of salaries and check it out and add up the numbers. You are building a team that can't be put together and you haven't taken a minute to even try to show us that it could be done.

Here is where I am getting my salaries from: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

I guess I just think it's fairly impossible to build a team up after you trade away assets and cap out after getting Melo. I could be wrong, but can anyone show me a realistic scenario?

I gave salaries to Nene and an explanation as to why I think he would take it. I tried to put together a realistic trade for Ridnour. I showed a bench, a backup PG, a starting 5 and then qualified that the team would be deep playoff but that one of Fields/Chandler/Gallo would have to step up game more to get to championship.

Are you or anyone up to the challenge of putting a realistic team up with semi reasonable trades and salaries? Otherwise you keep posting the same list of nonsense.

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

loweyecue wrote:After tree million threads on it, I still don't get all the negativity aimed at Melo. He is a bad defender (except when he wants to be good) and may not be the best character guy but he does what he does better than ANYBODY in the league RIGHT NOW. Now we cant give up three starters for him because then we wont have a team to put on the floor, but he should remain our primary target.

loweyecue,

Unfortunately, too many people have bought into the idea that Melo is somehow not an upgrade over Wilson & Gallo because he hasn't been able to carry his team to the NBA Finals. So your suggestion is doomed to failure in their tests.

I, on the other hand think he is a clear upgrade, I think Amare and Melo will make each other better. Also if Amare is out, then Melo assures you that an established & consistent scoring threat is on the floor at all times. If you can get Melo while keeping at least 1 of our top young players, that lineup will improve our team while upgrading our core significantly, & you will also have the ability to fill other holes using the salary exceptions this summer to bring role players to fill the other holes like some of the ones being discussed on this thread.

just messin' w/ya rvwink

i have heard crickets on this post.

martin wrote:Let's say Melo costs the Knicks Gallo, AR, Curry, TD. Not too unfair an assumption.

Can someone tell me how the Knicks come up with role players, bench, second PG and protection for Amare? Note that you will only have the MLE every other year.

Turiaf	 $4,360,000 
Amare	 $18,217,705 
Melo	 $18,500,000 
Fields	 $788,872 
Felton	 $7,560,000 
Moz	 $3,343,896 
Chandler $6,300,000 
Rautins  $788,872 
Williams $788,872 
----------------------------
	 $60,648,217

put some real players and numbers and ideas if you think it's possible. I don't.

Also note that Miami is in the same situation and will be competing against you for players: Amare + Melo + Felton is not better than LeBron + Bosh + Wade EVER especially if both teams are capped out.

i've given you a list several times of the types of role players i would target this summer if we make a trade for Melo... i know for a fact i already answered this question on another thread... guys like Shane Battier, Andrei Kirilenko, Jonas Jerebko, Josh McRoberts, Mike Dunleavy, Jr., CJ Miles, Al Thornton, Josh Howard or Troy Murphy would make more than able replacements for AR & Gallo in this rotation... or u have the option to split the MLE on lesser guys like Matt Barnes, Jared Dudley, Dante Cunningham, Brandan Wright, Louis Amundson, Jared Fishlips & Vlad Radmanovic... or if you want to beef up in the frontcourt u can target someone like Spencer Hawes, Glen Davis, Reggie Evans, Kenyon Martin, Joel Pryzbilla, Carl Landry, Big Z, Nick Collison, Nenad Krstic or Chris Wilcox... or if u wanna target a PG then Goran Dragic, Leandro Barbosa, TJ Ford, Mario Chalmers or Shannon Brown are always an option.

btw, you actually do get the MLE every year... it's the LLE bi-annual exception you get every other year that you're getting confused with, which btw, we will also have at our disposal this summer because we didn't use it this year... with that you can sign a backup PG like a JJ Barea, Carlos Arroyo or Earl Watson

is Miami going to sign up all of these guys & leave us with no other options? i hardly think so... u make it sound as if we're so limited if we trade for Melo... i completely disagree... there are so many other options available to us even if we make a Melo trade, in fact it gives us more options that we'd necessarily have if we waited til free agency to sign him outright, because we're looking at having to renounce Wilson & dumping Ronny's contract to make that happen & wouldn't have either of our exceptions to use to bring in any of those guys on my list or on yours... your proposal effectively takes us out of any running to bring in any star players going forward unless we make a trade for them as well... we'd have to give up assets any way you wanna look at it... you can't put together a championship roster w/o risking some good assets.

put sure real salaries and scenarios out there. Some of the guys you mentioned are under salary for their own current team. You just throw names out there and say "it can happen".

what are you talking about? every guy i listed is either a RFA or UFA this summer... i see no reason why any of them would command more than a MLE in their next contract... some of them can come at significantly less... what difference does it make if i attach some random arbitrary number figure next to their names? it could be more or less than what i predict... the point is there are any number of options to look at in free agency that you can realistically target using your MLE & LLE's this summer.

Jared Dudley has like a 5 year contract. Same with Collison. Goran Dragic is on rookie contract and has QO and PHO is keeping that kid. Matt Barnes is going to split the MLE to leave the Lakers and come to the Knicks? Big Z and Mario Chalmers gonna leave MIA to come to the Knicks?

I guess thanks for keeping things realistic. The main point of my who thread was to create a Plan B that didn't involve Melo. If you think you can build a team with Melo, show me. This is not fantasy land where you can just list 20 dudes and say they are all options on a team, that's not what Donnie is dealing with.

It's not that hard to go down a list of salaries and check it out and add up the numbers. You are building a team that can't be put together and you haven't taken a minute to even try to show us that it could be done.

Here is where I am getting my salaries from: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

I guess I just think it's fairly impossible to build a team up after you trade away assets and cap out after getting Melo. I could be wrong, but can anyone show me a realistic scenario?

I gave salaries to Nene and an explanation as to why I think he would take it. I tried to put together a realistic trade for Ridnour. I showed a bench, a backup PG, a starting 5 and then qualified that the team would be deep playoff but that one of Fields/Chandler/Gallo would have to step up game more to get to championship.

Are you or anyone up to the challenge of putting a realistic team up with semi reasonable trades and salaries? Otherwise you keep posting the same list of nonsense.

i based my list off the list of FA's on ESPN.com... if Dudley & Collison were already signed to a contract extension, fine take him off the list... who the F cares? you're still left with like 30 other options i just gave you... i've already stepped up to your challenge & answered it with a list of many different options that we can possibly target w/our exceptions this summer... i took the time to look up & list all these names for you & you're telling me i haven't taken any effort in trying to answer your question... cherry picking a few that no longer qualify & calling my list nonsense just because you don't have a legitimate answer to why the rest of these options aren't suitable to fill bench roles on this team doesn't make it so...there are a ton of other ways to fill bench roles on this team than to target guys like Nene & Mikael Pietrus & take yourself totally out of the running at any chance at Melo or any other star player for that matter.

& again, putting some ridiculous arbitrary dollar figure next to their names is pointless... i think most of the names on that list can be signed to the MLE or less... use some common sense, that means you can put anywhere from ~$5.5M or less on a contract offer in their 1st year of that contract... do u really need me to put that dollar figure down next to each of their names for you to understand this?

martin wrote:sorry, should have been more specific. I was looking at Camby when thinking about the "doesn't work salary wise" comment.

Also, do you really think Donnie/MDA takes back Harrington after last year? I say HELL NO. MDA HATED him, and as much as Donnie liked the dude, I don't think he would bring him back. I could be wrong on that.

Also, I am looking at the trade, mostly the DEN-NY part. I think that Gallo/Curry/AR for Melo is a borderline reasonable trade. All of a sudden, you are adding in TD and dead weight Azubuike and getting back Melo/Harrington/Ridnour. So, value for value (while disregarding salary for a moment), TD+Azu = Harrington+Ridnour? That's doesn't seem realistic, doesn't pass the trade smell test, does it?

I'm assuming Chandler could command around $9M in FA, so if we S&T him and take back roughly that amount in expirings + young picks, we can then look to ship those assets off in a trade for Camby. Or, off the top of my head, the Clippers could really use a starting SF like Chandler on their team, and would probably love to move Kaman (that expires by 2012) to groom DeAndre Jordan. A S&T involving Chandler with Kaman + picks is foreseeable.

As for TD+Azu for Harrington/Ridnour...for one, Denver would probably love to do Harrington for Azu straight up if they're rebuilding and blowing it up. They get out of Harrington's 5-year commitment. I included Ridnour cause we all know that a Melo trade would be a 3-team trade who would give up a late 1st round pick for AR. So all I'm really doing is identifying the third team in the potential Gallo/Curry/AR trade for Melo, and hopefully (*crossing my fingers*) it involves someone we could use like Ridnour. AR + TD to Minnesota for Ridnour and Utah's late 2011 1st doesn't seem totally farfetched, but what do I know? It's not like any of us are working in the front offices and know how much value Minny expects out of a Ridnour trade, or if they're even looking to dump him over Flynn/Telfair.

martin wrote:yes. and list out your starting 5 and bench.

starting 5:
Amare $18,217,705
Chandler $6,300,000 (Bird exception) or Gallo $4,190,182
Melo $18,500,000
Fields $788,872
Felton $7,560,000

bench:
Turiaf $4,360,000
Moz $3,343,896
Rautins $788,872
Williams $788,872
----------------------------
$60,648,217 w/Chandler / $58,538,399 w/Gallo

& w/the MLE ($5,500,001.23) u sign someone out of the following list:

SF's:
Shane Battier
Andrei Kirilenko
Jonas Jerebko
Josh McRoberts
Mike Dunleavy, Jr.
CJ Miles
Al Thornton
Josh Howard
Mikael Pietrus
Dante Cunningham
Branden Wright
Louis Amundson (1/2 MLE $2,250,000.75)

PF/C's:
Troy Murphy
Spencer Hawes
Glen Davis
Reggie Evans
Kenyon Martin
Joel Pryzbilla
Carl Landry
Nenad Krstic

PG's:
Leandro Barbosa
TJ Ford
Shannon Brown

& w/the LLE ($1,200,001.23) u sign someone out of the following list:

Jared Fishlips
Vlad Radmanovic
Chris Wilcox
JJ Barea
Carlos Arroyo
Earl Watson

there, i even left out those names you ruled out in your last response... u don't think there are any suitable options to fill out the bench on this list now?

if he does that my believe in humanity will jump up a peg.

martin wrote:I guess you really dont want to list out a starting 5 and 5 guys off bench. I know what the FA list is. Pick players off the bench, how hard is this?

In the first 3 responses to my posting you just list names, and now you are doing the same but in a vertical way, so what's different?

I am assuming that you think it's possible to trade Melo for Chandler/AR/TD leaving Gallo on Knicks?

this was the challenge you posed to me:

Let's say Melo costs the Knicks Gallo, AR, Curry, TD. Not too unfair an assumption.

Can someone tell me how the Knicks come up with role players, bench, second PG and protection for Amare? Note that you will only have the MLE every other year.

Turiaf $4,360,000
Amare $18,217,705
Melo $18,500,000
Fields $788,872
Felton $7,560,000

Moz $3,343,896
Chandler $6,300,000
Rautins $788,872
Williams $788,872
----------------------------
$60,648,217

using your own figures, i already put together my starting 5 & bench for you to see, but here it is again:

starting 5:
Amare $18,217,705
Chandler $6,300,000 (Bird exception) or Gallo $4,190,182
Melo $18,500,000
Fields $788,872
Felton $7,560,000

bench:
Turiaf $4,360,000
Moz $3,343,896
Rautins $788,872
Williams $788,872
----------------------------
$60,648,217 w/Chandler or $58,538,399 w/Gallo

fill in the 2 other spots on the bench w/your choice of the ones i listed... it's not that hard to come up with a number if different combinations.

option: (if u wanna go the replace Wilson route)
Shane Battier $5,500,000 (MLE)
JJ Barea or Carlos Arroyo $1,250,000 (LLE)

option: (if you wanna go the backup C/PG route)
Spencer Hawes $5,500,000 (MLE)
JJ Barea or Carlos Arroyo $1,250,000 (LLE)

option: (if you wanna replace Gallo's shooting)
Mike Dunleavy, Jr. $5,500,000 (MLE)
JJ Barea or Carlos Arroyo $1,250,000 (LLE)

option: (if you wanna target PG first)
TJ Ford or Shannon Brown $5,500,000 (MLE)
Vlad Radmonovic or Jared Fishlips $1,250,000 (LLE)

i mean come on martin, is it that hard to come up with these or any # of other possible combinations out of that list i provided?

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:I guess you really dont want to list out a starting 5 and 5 guys off bench. I know what the FA list is. Pick players off the bench, how hard is this?

In the first 3 responses to my posting you just list names, and now you are doing the same but in a vertical way, so what's different?

I am assuming that you think it's possible to trade Melo for Chandler/AR/TD leaving Gallo on Knicks?

this was the challenge you posed to me:

Let's say Melo costs the Knicks Gallo, AR, Curry, TD. Not too unfair an assumption.

Can someone tell me how the Knicks come up with role players, bench, second PG and protection for Amare? Note that you will only have the MLE every other year.

Turiaf $4,360,000
Amare $18,217,705
Melo $18,500,000
Fields $788,872
Felton $7,560,000

Moz $3,343,896
Chandler $6,300,000
Rautins $788,872
Williams $788,872
----------------------------
$60,648,217

using your own figures, i already put together my starting 5 & bench for you to see, but here it is again:

starting 5:
Amare $18,217,705
Chandler $6,300,000 (Bird exception) or Gallo $4,190,182
Melo $18,500,000
Fields $788,872
Felton $7,560,000

bench:
Turiaf $4,360,000
Moz $3,343,896
Rautins $788,872
Williams $788,872
----------------------------
$60,648,217 w/Chandler or $58,538,399 w/Gallo

fill in the 2 other spots on the bench w/your choice of the ones i listed... it's not that hard to come up with a number if different combinations.

option: (if u wanna go the replace Wilson route)
Shane Battier $5,500,000 (MLE)
JJ Barea or Carlos Arroyo $1,250,000 (LLE)

option: (if you wanna go the backup C/PG route)
Spencer Hawes $5,500,000 (MLE)
JJ Barea or Carlos Arroyo $1,250,000 (LLE)

option: (if you wanna replace Gallo's shooting)
Mike Dunleavy, Jr. $5,500,000 (MLE)
JJ Barea or Carlos Arroyo $1,250,000 (LLE)

option: (if you wanna target PG first)
TJ Ford or Shannon Brown $5,500,000 (MLE)
Vlad Radmonovic or Jared Fishlips $1,250,000 (LLE)

i mean come on martin, is it that hard to come up with these or any # of other possible combinations out of that list i provided?

TMS, the challenge was for YOU to come up with realistic scenarios, not for me. I kept asking and you finally were able to do so.

BTW, why do you think JJ Barea or Carlos Arroyo are leaving Dallas and Miami and taking salary cuts at the same time (I am assuming Arroyo will get a small bump this next year) to come to the Knicks? Do you really think that's realistic?

Also, why do you think Spencer Hawes, who is on his rookie contract and has a QO, will go for the MLE and why wouldn't Philly match that? He is their starting C. Do you really think that's realistic?

TJ Ford is a career 43%FG shooter and his career for 3FG% is 29%. He is constantly hurt. You offer him the MLE? Do you think he fits the system? I don't.

why wouldn't Barea or Arroyo leave Dallas or Miami to come to NY? u don't think the draw of playing with Amare & Melo in the game's largest market would be at all appealing to them? i do... Arroyo wouldn't be taking a salary cut either... a bump up to $1,250,000 from $855,000 is a significant jump for a player making that scale salary... NY's got a huge Puerto Rican following as well, i think Arroyo would relish an opportunity to come play at MSG especially in this system on a team that gives him a chance to win championships... i think that's very realistic

as for Hawes & Ford, they're only 2 of the available options i listed... i listed several others... what, i gotta list every single possible scenario so u can comment on it? if Hawes or Ford isn't a possibility, then substitute Joel Pryzbilla & Shannon Brown in their place... or whoever else on the list... it all depends on how DW wants to build the team.

as for Shannon Brown, i would LOVE to have him on this team, & i think it's very realistic to imagine we could get him w/a MLE type offer if Donnie chose to go that route, especially after adding another superstar like Melo to the roster... that kid would be running & finishing all day in this type of system... easily a replacement for TD if you are somehow including him in that trade for Melo, which you did in your hypothetical... if you choose to go that route, u can then sign a big like Vlad Rad, Wilcox or Fishlips w/your LLE to address the need in the frontcourt.