cheers wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Mozgov's deal isn't guaranteed for next season - it's a team option. If they need to cut ties this summer, they can.

ok then thats that take his name out of the equation, lets not gift a 7'0 big to the magic, they dont grow on trees.

curious that magic make such a big move in the east and a team like knicks who got pieces to make a move as well, dont.

magic were willing to cripple their cap with arenas' four years $80M.

the wizards would have given us arenas for curry and azubuike... but donnie is being patient with the cap.

if isiah were here arenas would have been here in august and we'd be locked into this team for four years with no chance to improve but to take longer contracts.

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cheers wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Mozgov's deal isn't guaranteed for next season - it's a team option. If they need to cut ties this summer, they can.

ok then thats that take his name out of the equation, lets not gift a 7'0 big to the magic, they dont grow on trees.

curious that magic make such a big move in the east and a team like knicks who got pieces to make a move as well, dont.

magic were willing to cripple their cap with arenas' four years $80M.

the wizards would have given us arenas for curry and azubuike... but donnie is being patient with the cap.

if isiah were here arenas would have been here in august and we'd be locked into this team for four years with no chance to improve but to take longer contracts.

i applaud the magic. dolan should be willing to offer up his soul for a chance at a chip. but i digress. i really hope to at least see a try for mayo and sebastian before deadline, those are very doable.

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TMS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Mozgov's deal isn't guaranteed for next season - it's a team option. If they need to cut ties this summer, they can.

even better... then cut him... the dude obviously is not ready for primetime... he needs more seasoning, either in Euro play or in the D Leagues... Ronnie Turiaf is our only NBA ready bigman off the bench... if u could get back a future #1 & a lottery prospect from last year for him, i say do it, but i don't see any way that's even feasible... at most i can picture us getting back a 2nd rounder & an expiring contract, which wouldn't be worth it.

cut him wwwwhhhhyyyyyyyyyy. dont let his slippery hands sour you. let him be a force off the ball.

i'm just saying if salary cap is what we're after then i'd look to cut him before i looked to dump Turiaf's contract... Turiaf at this point is a much more valuable player to this franchise than Timofey Mozgov... we don't even know if Mozgov will ever become an NBA viable player at this point... Travis Knight looked more NBA ready than this guy.

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cheers wrote:

TMS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Mozgov's deal isn't guaranteed for next season - it's a team option. If they need to cut ties this summer, they can.

even better... then cut him... the dude obviously is not ready for primetime... he needs more seasoning, either in Euro play or in the D Leagues... Ronnie Turiaf is our only NBA ready bigman off the bench... if u could get back a future #1 & a lottery prospect from last year for him, i say do it, but i don't see any way that's even feasible... at most i can picture us getting back a 2nd rounder & an expiring contract, which wouldn't be worth it.

cut him wwwwhhhhyyyyyyyyyy. dont let his slippery hands sour you. let him be a force off the ball.

i'm just saying if salary cap is what we're after then i'd look to cut him before i looked to dump Turiaf's contract... Turiaf at this point is a much more valuable player to this franchise than Timofey Mozgov... we don't even know if Mozgov will ever become an NBA viable player at this point... Travis Knight looked more NBA ready than this guy.

i agree. i have no problem cutting mozgov if he doesn't work and the knicks need the cap room this summer.

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BRIGGS wrote:No-brainer. Earl Clark Malik Allen + a 2013+1 pick lottery protected. Move Mosgov back to his 12 minute bench role and clear the 4.3mm off the books.

you are not getting all that for a bit role player like Turiaf

Actually, I think ORL would do it in a second, but dont think the Knicks would. They need someone behind Bass and Howard as a big.

i don't... role playing bigs like Turiaf are readily available w/o having to give up lottery picks from last year's draft & a future protected #1... Turiaf belongs in the same regard as players like Joel Pryzbilla at this point... solid vets that can fill productive minutes for you off the bench, but not the types of players u give up any future assets for... a 2nd round pick & an expiring at best is what i can imagine any team giving up for a player like Turiaf... not to say i think he sucks, i actually like him a lot, but you have to be realistic in regards to his percieved value.

Magic are in an in-all mode right now. They dont care about future protected #1's (these are the types of picks that are sold for ~$3m, right? 25-30 range?). And I know that I am holding Earl in very low regard this year, my assumption was that PHO had already given up on him and threw him into the ORL deal as a salary dump.

So mostly ORL doesn't give a rats ass about Earl or the #1.

if you regard Earl Clark so low & want a late 1st round pick just buy one for $3M like you just alluded to... why would you give up a role player off our bench that has a real role on this team? we're thin enough on the bench as it is... if u need to cut $4M off our payroll for next season, simply cut Mozgov & Rautins, who have done nothing in their time as Knicks, or dump them for an expiring & whatever picks u can get for them... at least Turiaf is giving u something in the way of defense & shotblocking.

uh, I think you mis-reading what I am saying.... In my first response, I said that I DON'T think the Knicks would give up Turiaf but that ORL would do the deal for the reasons I outlined.

i didn't misread anything... i don't believe ORL would give up Earl Clark & a future #1 for Ronnie Turiaf... he doesn't hold that type of value.

what i'm saying is, if dumping salary is what you're after, then we should look to dump Mozgov & Rautins, because they're currently doing nothing for our franchise.

haha, you are misreading what I am saying, cause I didn't make any reference to dumping salary: I said I don't think Knicks would do that deal.

yeah but you also said you think ORL would do it in a second, which i don't agree with... i don't think u can realistically expect to get that much in return for Turiaf in any trade.

Nalod wrote:Dudu makes 1.5. Think backup. He did fine but could not handle starter minutes.

he sucks.. can't even make a layup, and isn't a sharp shooter, when teams defend the p/r well, he's completely useless

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martin wrote:

TMS wrote:yeah but you also said you think ORL would do it in a second, which i don't agree with... i don't think u can realistically expect to get that much in return for Turiaf in any trade.

Well, 1) do you think a team like ORL really cares about a first round pick? I say no, just as with Lakers who have given theirs away for practically nada(luxury salary cap savings, or selling them for $3M, etc). 2) Do you agree with me that Earl was a throw-in to the ORL-PHO trade? PHO didn't use him at all and ORL doesn't really need him with the type of talent they have on the team.

So, it's not so much Turiaf's value as to ORL not really caring what they give up - and in this case it would be a useless #1 and a useless player.

My thing is that I think Orlando management has got to believe that they are 1 backup, shotblocking, PF away from getting to the finals, and if you are in that position, you make a semi-lopsided trade to do so.

i dunno... i guess i have a hard time believing we could get any player taken in the top 14 in last year's draft for a role player like Turiaf, & also get a late 1st rounder to boot... seems like an awful lot to give up for the kind of player that we ourselves got as a cap filler throw in in the D Lee trade... let's be honest, we made that trade to get AR, not to get Ronnie Turiaf, even though as it turns out it's been Turiaf who has at least produced at some level for us this season.

ORL doesn't care that Turiaf was cap filler in the DLee trade, they just want a PF who can give 10-20 minutes at the C/PF spot.

There are probably other guys they will target, but if they hone in on Turiaf (and he proves to be healthy after a while), Donnie would be in the driver's seat in that trade, and I would speculate that he could easily get Earl and a #1, and in fact, I think DW would ask for more knowing that Turiaf is a key player for getting into the playoffs for the Knicks (especially if Moz and AR continue to get the playing time and output they are producing).

Nalod wrote:Dudu makes 1.5. Think backup. He did fine but could not handle starter minutes.

Duhon makes 3.250 million this year, and then escalates. THINK NO F'N WAY

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martin wrote:

TMS wrote:yeah but you also said you think ORL would do it in a second, which i don't agree with... i don't think u can realistically expect to get that much in return for Turiaf in any trade.

Well, 1) do you think a team like ORL really cares about a first round pick? I say no, just as with Lakers who have given theirs away for practically nada(luxury salary cap savings, or selling them for $3M, etc). 2) Do you agree with me that Earl was a throw-in to the ORL-PHO trade? PHO didn't use him at all and ORL doesn't really need him with the type of talent they have on the team.

So, it's not so much Turiaf's value as to ORL not really caring what they give up - and in this case it would be a useless #1 and a useless player.

My thing is that I think Orlando management has got to believe that they are 1 backup, shotblocking, PF away from getting to the finals, and if you are in that position, you make a semi-lopsided trade to do so.

i dunno... i guess i have a hard time believing we could get any player taken in the top 14 in last year's draft for a role player like Turiaf, & also get a late 1st rounder to boot... seems like an awful lot to give up for the kind of player that we ourselves got as a cap filler throw in in the D Lee trade... let's be honest, we made that trade to get AR, not to get Ronnie Turiaf, even though as it turns out it's been Turiaf who has at least produced at some level for us this season.

ORL doesn't care that Turiaf was cap filler in the DLee trade, they just want a PF who can give 10-20 minutes at the C/PF spot.

There are probably other guys they will target, but if they hone in on Turiaf (and he proves to be healthy after a while), Donnie would be in the driver's seat in that trade, and I would speculate that he could easily get Earl and a #1, and in fact, I think DW would ask for more knowing that Turiaf is a key player for getting into the playoffs for the Knicks (especially if Moz and AR continue to get the playing time and output they are producing).

IMO the conversation would probably go something like this:

*rrrrring*
Walsh: Hello?
Smith: Hello Donnie? Hey, it's me, Otis. I was wondering if you'd be open to trading Ronnie Turiaf?
Walsh: I might consider it for the right package.
Smith: What did you have in mind?
Walsh: Probably Earl Clark & a future...
*click* *dial tone*
Walsh: ... hello?