nixluva wrote:As much as some might want to make the Melo deal happen, it's a incredibly difficult deal to make and still field a team that will end up stronger than what we have now. If you want to do it for the future then fine, but I don't see how we can do that deal and not somewhat hurt the team this year. The kind of Deal we want to make that preserves this season as well as the future would be one where you make smaller deals that won't require sending our best young players away. I don't know exactly what the deal would be, but I do know that a deal for Melo is going to require a heavy price tag.

I'll respond with the same thing I just posted:

"Baron Davis demands a trade. The Hornets get Speedy Claxton and Dale Davis for him. Far from equal value. Baron Davis goes on to lead the Warriors to their first playoff experience in years.

Vince Carter demands a trade. The Raptors get Alonzo Mourning (who immediately gets bought out), Aaron Williams, Eric Williams and 3 first round picks. Far from equal value. Vince Carter goes on to average 27ppg, 6rpg and 5apg for the season with the Nets.

Pau Gasol demands a trade. The Grizzlies get Kwame Brown, Aaron McKie, Javaris Crittenton, the rights to Marc Gasol (a throw in that the Grizzlies lucked out on) and 2 irrelevant first round picks. Far from equal value. Pau helps get the Lakers 2 rings and is considered by some today to be the best PF in the league.

Melo has demanded a trade. He will get traded for pennies of the dollar. The Knicks will be great for doing it. That is what history says and what is on my side."

Melo2NYK wrote:

martin wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:that;s the thing... with Melo u don't have to project, he's already an elite scorer... there are no consistency questions when it comes to him offensively... he gets his points on a nightly basis... can Gallo turn into Dirk in a few years? maybe, but how likely is that? it's not redundant to add Melo if you're trading guys that play his position to get him... he represents a significant upgrade at the SF position... the logical strategy would be to fill the holes after u assemble the stars u want to build around, not the other way around... defensive role players are readily available in the NBA... star players like Melo are not.

don't get me wrong, i love Gallo & if we end up passing on Melo then rooting for a kid like that to do well in NY would be very easy to do, he's a very likable kid... but if u loved seeing Gallo taking it strong to the hole & trying to dunk the ball in traffic, u will love seeing Melo do the same... & Melo will actually GET the calls from the refs that Gallo won't... something like that can make all the difference at the end of games in crunchtime.

You HAVE to project, cause once you trade for Melo, you are exactly stuck with that team cause he caps you out. And what role playing Center is there out there for the MLE? And what backup PG and bench positions can we fill with LLE after that?

History has shown that title hungry veterans, always are willing to take pennies to compete. Melo, allows us the opportunity to compete and grease the wheels for those type of veterans to sign with the Knicks. As for role playing centers signing for the MLE, Tyson Chandler, Samuel Dalembert and Ben Wallace are just a few upcoming FA's that fit the bill of "title hungry veterans."

DUDE. dont embarrass yourself like that.

Tyson is making $12+M on a Dallas team that is going to resign him. PASS

Dalembert is making $12+M but is the lowest IQ center there ever could be. Worse than AR (although much buffer). PASS

Ben Wallace? Really? Cause he would fit in? And Detroit would be willing to trade him?

At least come up with likely players. Like Carl Landry.

The only one embarrassing himself is you because the next echelon of centers are all-stars, which we wouldn't be in a position to land anyway. I'm not sure why an all-star center would even be necessary considering that the league's best aside from the Magic all feature a role playing center similar to the players I listed (Perkins with the Celtics, Bynum with the Lakers, McDyess with the Spurs, etc.) Tyson Chandler is making $12 million this season but that doesn't mean anyone is going to be dumb enough to pay him that.

dude, I think you missed the point of the discussion. If we trade for Melo, the Knicks still need to fill the Center spot, fill out the bench and upgrade backup PG.

And we will only have the MLE and LLE to use, give or take.

What C and bench do you suggest us getting? For the MLE? Not for Tyson Chandler $.

Any center. I am not talking stud C.

Name me some viable options. And then also consider we would have to fill a bench roll and upgrade Toney Douglas.

MLE, LLE. GO.

Melo2NYK wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:
Joel Pryzbilla is making MLE dollars... before he signed his last contract extension, Marcus Camby signed a MLE contract with POR i believe (could be wrong on that)... Amir Johnson is making MLE dollars... Zaza Pachulia is making MLE dollars... Kendrick Perkins is making MLE dollars... Joel Anthony & Eric Dampier are making a lot less than MLE dollars... Darko Milicic is making less than MLE dollars, not that MDA would ever play him anyway

I guess Im talking about guys who are actually available and worth adding.

What centers are "available and worth adding" in your opinion? Because Dwight Howard will not be walking through these doors unless it's in a Magic uniform.

that's what i'm wondering too... martin, you were all about signing someone like Kendrick Perkins just a week ago but now he's a guy not worth adding? someone like Marcus Camby a few years ago when he signed for the MLE was not worth adding? i don't get it... i'm not saying those guys are available right now, but the point is that guys like that become available every year in free agency... if you have a team that's on the rise & can contend for championships, the choices become even larger as guys will take less to play for a chance at a title... we've seen that with Miami & we can see that w/NY if we acquire a guy like Melo, u can believe it.

TMS wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:
Joel Pryzbilla is making MLE dollars... before he signed his last contract extension, Marcus Camby signed a MLE contract with POR i believe (could be wrong on that)... Amir Johnson is making MLE dollars... Zaza Pachulia is making MLE dollars... Kendrick Perkins is making MLE dollars... Joel Anthony & Eric Dampier are making a lot less than MLE dollars... Darko Milicic is making less than MLE dollars, not that MDA would ever play him anyway

I guess Im talking about guys who are actually available and worth adding.

What centers are "available and worth adding" in your opinion? Because Dwight Howard will not be walking through these doors unless it's in a Magic uniform.

that's what i'm wondering too... martin, you were all about signing someone like Kendrick Perkins just a week ago but now he's a guy not worth adding? someone like Marcus Camby a few years ago when he signed for the MLE was not worth adding? i don't get it... i'm not saying those guys are available right now, but the point is that guys like that become available every year in free agency... if you have a team that's on the rise & can contend for championships, the choices become even larger as guys will take less to play for a chance at a title... we've seen that with Miami & we can see that w/NY if we acquire a guy like Melo, u can believe it.

guys, Centers are scarce. Perkins is going to get $7-8M or more next year. He won't be available for the MLE. I WOULD LOVE TO ADD HIM cause he is worth it, but he will be priced out if we acquire Melo.

Camby just extended for $8M and $9M next year. he would be worth having but we can't cause we'll be capped out.

We are trying to build a Championship team. Who would fit that is not caca at the MLE?

Melo2NYK wrote:I guess the question becomes, would you pay more than $6 million (starting price of MLE) for Tyson Chandler? I certainly wouldn't and to be honest, I doubt he gets much more than that. I think people seem to forget that the guy was dealt for Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox (both bench players) and the Thunder were the one's who rejected the trade.

I will also say that I tend to err on the opinion that the Knicks have the center they need (Timofey Mozgov) and only need a stopgap with Ronny Turiaf, until he comes into his own. The guys I mentioned- along with TMS' guys- would more than suffice for such a role.

Back in reality land none of those guys that you or TMS mentioned are even available except Joel Przybilla and he hasn't played in like a year.

Melo2NYK wrote:I guess the question becomes, would you pay more than $6 million (starting price of MLE) for Tyson Chandler? I certainly wouldn't and to be honest, I doubt he gets much more than that. I think people seem to forget that the guy was dealt for Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox (both bench players) and the Thunder were the one's who rejected the trade.

it doesn't matter who Tyson was traded for or what the Knicks would pay. It comes down to if Dallas would let him walk. And they won't, cause he works very well for them.

Melo2NYK wrote:Chris "Birdman" Andersen is 32 years old and locked into the first year of a 4 year contract. He could be a cap dump in the Melo deal if we could gather assets appropriate for him. I think he would be a solid stopgap until Mozgov could develop into our full-time starter.

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martin wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:I guess the question becomes, would you pay more than $6 million (starting price of MLE) for Tyson Chandler? I certainly wouldn't and to be honest, I doubt he gets much more than that. I think people seem to forget that the guy was dealt for Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox (both bench players) and the Thunder were the one's who rejected the trade.

it doesn't matter who Tyson was traded for or what the Knicks would pay. It comes down to if Dallas would let him walk. And they won't, cause he works very well for them.

Would you give Chandler more than $6 million per year to start?

martin wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

martin wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:I guess the question becomes, would you pay more than $6 million (starting price of MLE) for Tyson Chandler? I certainly wouldn't and to be honest, I doubt he gets much more than that. I think people seem to forget that the guy was dealt for Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox (both bench players) and the Thunder were the one's who rejected the trade.

it doesn't matter who Tyson was traded for or what the Knicks would pay. It comes down to if Dallas would let him walk. And they won't, cause he works very well for them.

Would you give Chandler more than $6 million per year to start?

If I am Dallas I certainly would price out any team that has the MLE to make sure that he stays on team.

And if I am Knicks and added Melo and had $7M left over I sure as heck would make him that offer. But then Dallas would just offer him $8M.

And then the Mavericks would be idiots for doing so. We did the same exact thing when we were once contenders and ended up having a $100 million payroll of overpaid, past their prime players on a team that struggled to win more than 33 games a season.

TMS wrote:thing is w/MDA's system, he rarely plays true C's anyway... u can easily plug in a F into that slot & still win games... Glen Davis is a possibility at the MLE... Shaq's got a player option & i think he'd sign for MLE money but he's not a good fit for MDA's system... Boris Diaw's got a player option too, i believe he played minutes at the C position for MDA, no?... Kenyon Martin could probably be had for the MLE... Big Z has a player option & a nice midrange J, maybe he's an option... maybe Troy Murphy if he gets healthy & looking for a contract... Joel Pryzbilla's not a bad option... or maybe you go for rebounding & defense with Reggie Evans... or u can opt to go for more depth & sign up a couple cheaper vets like Eric Dampier, Louis Amundson & Vlad Radmonovic, maybe even Jared Fishlips, who at the right dollars would not be an objectionable signing for me.

or u can go for higher upside plays like DW seems to like to do w/his acquisitions... Jonas Jerebko could turn out to be the next Birdman type player & depending on Detroit's budget, u might be able to steal him away for the MLE (they'd likely match but who knows)... he'd be a great addition to this uptempo style game & he's only 23 so there's plenty of upside to get better there... or a kid like Brandon Wright from GS, i think he's an intriguing option on a low money deal... Josh McRoberts is another UFA that i would highly consider, another young kid w/some upside that DW might be interested in & seems like would be the type of heady player that MDA likes to coach... Deandre Jordan, limited offensively but brings nice size at the C position & still has a nice upside, another intriguing option.

just because we make a trade for Melo doesn't mean we won't have any options to shore up our frontcourt in the offseason.

And that is perhaps the most important point. At the end of the day, being over the cap has not halted teams like San Antonio from addressing their needs with nothing more than the MLE in hand.

BTW, I think you can add Chris Wilcox to the mix. To this day, I still don't understand why he didn't get burn with us.