BRIGGS wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Nazr played only 4 in one game against us and didn't make it on the court in the second game. He can't hang against us, how will he hang with us?

You know what--no one is giving us Tim Duncan. If we accept that Ronnie Turriaf is a guy who might not play healthy for us--or cant be reliable--then we need another reliable big NBA player.

Why--becasue Mosgov is not a reliable NBA rotation player. He has bad hands and needs time to learn the nuances of this NBA game.

To compete against the bigger teams we need an additional big reliable player with skills--the Knicks know it--anyone who understand basketball knows it. When we played Boston--Amare got beat up and outplayed--we didnt play New Orleans with West or the Bulls with Boozer--but we will. We need a guy who can score rebound defend. I wish randolph would do it--but apparently he cant for some unknown reason. I mean it is the same kid who averaged 15-11 when ge was 19 in his last 6 weeks rookie year and 11-6 last year before injury---11-6 and a block would go a long way. too bad we cant adjust his play.

Yes. Mosgov is not a reliable NBA rotation player YET. But he will be.

Melo2NYK wrote:A name I didn't see tossed about that may be the best candidate for our SSOL offense is Nene Halario. It would make sense that the Nuggets would move him following a Melo trade given his age (28), price tag and the fact that he has made it clear that this will be his final contract before dedicating his life to the Church in Brazil. The only problem is that the Knicks lack the assets to force a trade for Nene as well.

Id rather have nene than Melo for what we have.

BRIGGS wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:A name I didn't see tossed about that may be the best candidate for our SSOL offense is Nene Halario. It would make sense that the Nuggets would move him following a Melo trade given his age (28), price tag and the fact that he has made it clear that this will be his final contract before dedicating his life to the Church in Brazil. The only problem is that the Knicks lack the assets to force a trade for Nene as well.

Id rather have nene than Melo for what we have.

Then I'd have to say that your logic is flawed. It's like passing on Kevin Durant because Chris Kaman is available. After all the failed drafts by teams drafting for need as opposed to talent (Oden instead of Durant; Andrew Bogut instead of Deron Williams/Chris Paul; Samie Bowie instead of Michael Jordan, etc.) I would expect we'd move passed this concept.

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Nazr played only 4 in one game against us and didn't make it on the court in the second game. He can't hang against us, how will he hang with us?

You know what--no one is giving us Tim Duncan. If we accept that Ronnie Turriaf is a guy who might not play healthy for us--or cant be reliable--then we need another reliable big NBA player.

Why--becasue Mosgov is not a reliable NBA rotation player. He has bad hands and needs time to learn the nuances of this NBA game.

To compete against the bigger teams we need an additional big reliable player with skills--the Knicks know it--anyone who understand basketball knows it. When we played Boston--Amare got beat up and outplayed--we didnt play New Orleans with West or the Bulls with Boozer--but we will. We need a guy who can score rebound defend. I wish randolph would do it--but apparently he cant for some unknown reason. I mean it is the same kid who averaged 15-11 when ge was 19 in his last 6 weeks rookie year and 11-6 last year before injury---11-6 and a block would go a long way. too bad we cant adjust his play.

Yes. Mosgov is not a reliable NBA rotation player YET. But he will be.

Can you give me a date--is it when we drive Amare into the ground from playing to many minutes a night? he could be a rotation player in 2 years--he needs a LOT of work.

i'll give you a formula: Before Hassan Whiteside does anything in the NBA

Hey, I am with you regarding getting an extra bigman, just not giving up or giving away Moz

BRIGGS wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:A name I didn't see tossed about that may be the best candidate for our SSOL offense is Nene Halario. It would make sense that the Nuggets would move him following a Melo trade given his age (28), price tag and the fact that he has made it clear that this will be his final contract before dedicating his life to the Church in Brazil. The only problem is that the Knicks lack the assets to force a trade for Nene as well.

Id rather have nene than Melo for what we have.

Then I'd have to say that your logic is flawed. It's like passing on Kevin Durant because Chris Kaman is available. After all the failed drafts by teams drafting for need as opposed to talent (Oden instead of Durant; Andrew Bogut instead of Deron Williams/Chris Paul; Samie Bowie instead of Michael Jordan, etc.) I would expect we'd move passed this concept.

No becasue if I had a 6-11 260 pound player who could give me 15-7-1.5 shooting 62% wed be the best team in the league. I can add nene without material subtraction. I cant do the same with melo.

We have not faced the Lakers, Mavericks, Magic, Heat, Spurs and have yet to play a competitive game with the Celtics or Hawks and yet Nene would make us "the best team in the league?" I like Nene but you are severly overestimating both his and our team's abilities. Let's beat a few teams above .500 before claiming the Larry O'Brien trophy.

Melo2NYK wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:A name I didn't see tossed about that may be the best candidate for our SSOL offense is Nene Halario. It would make sense that the Nuggets would move him following a Melo trade given his age (28), price tag and the fact that he has made it clear that this will be his final contract before dedicating his life to the Church in Brazil. The only problem is that the Knicks lack the assets to force a trade for Nene as well.

Id rather have nene than Melo for what we have.

Then I'd have to say that your logic is flawed. It's like passing on Kevin Durant because Chris Kaman is available. After all the failed drafts by teams drafting for need as opposed to talent (Oden instead of Durant; Andrew Bogut instead of Deron Williams/Chris Paul; Samie Bowie instead of Michael Jordan, etc.) I would expect we'd move passed this concept.

No becasue if I had a 6-11 260 pound player who could give me 15-7-1.5 shooting 62% wed be the best team in the league. I can add nene without material subtraction. I cant do the same with melo.

We have not faced the Lakers, Mavericks, Magic, Heat, Spurs and have yet to play a competitive game with the Celtics or Hawks and yet Nene would make us "the best team in the league?" I like Nene but you are severly overestimating both his and our team's abilities. Let's beat a few teams above .500 before claiming the Larry O'Brien trophy.

I know we are only Kobe Duncan and Chris Paul away from winning it all

Shawne Williams just hit another 3!

Panos wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:A name I didn't see tossed about that may be the best candidate for our SSOL offense is Nene Halario. It would make sense that the Nuggets would move him following a Melo trade given his age (28), price tag and the fact that he has made it clear that this will be his final contract before dedicating his life to the Church in Brazil. The only problem is that the Knicks lack the assets to force a trade for Nene as well.

You trying to undo the McDyess trade?

LOL, wouldn't you want to? Having Camby and Nene back (to quote Jay-Z) "would be banana's."

AnubisADL wrote:Varejao is a solid big man that Cleveland would be willing to move.

I know some may disagree but I'd dangle Randolph and Turiaf for Varejao. Turiaf is ALWAYS injured and Randolph can run wild in Cleveland.

Right or wrong isn't based on who is correct and who is incorrect. What we are discussing is whether the Knicks should take a long term view or a short term view of their personnel. That relates to philosophy and priorities, neither of which is right or wrong imo.

You clearly like to see the Knicks win and are unwilling to forfeit a single game to the idea that we need to develop players for the future. Lets say, that our playing Mosgov, and Randolph instead of your replacement guy will cost us 3 team wins this year. If either of those guys improves significantly and most around here thing that is likely, they could win us an extra 4 games over the next 3 years. So the payoff could be 400% more than the investment. Don't those seem like good odds to you?

Mosgov is 7 foot 1 and runs like a deer. He has decent mechanics for outside shooting, he can block shots, and he is a good learner. There is a high probability that he will improve. In fact, Mike D'Antoni says he is already playing better in practice, he is just nervous in the game. AR is also a very talented guy who has had excellent production with the Warriors previously. He needs to spend more time learning what his role is in Mike's system is. If he played well once, it is logical that he can play well again when he gets comfortable. The odds are great that at least one of the two will emerge as a player for the Knicks next year. Their upsides are so high, that if the emerge, they could be very valuable to the Knicks. I like to see the Knicks win games too. But I would be willing to invest 3 games this year to give me a better than 50% chance for the Knicks to win an extra 12 games over the 3 subsequent years. Wouldn't you?