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Bippity10
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12/3/2010  4:14 PM
I think people need to study this again. First 20 games of the season after turning 22.

Dirk Nowitzki-19.3 points and 47%-5 games under 40%
Paul Pierce-18.9 pointes and 44%-8 games under 40%
Ray Allen-18.1 points and 45%-6 games under 40%
Mike Miller-16.3 points and 44%-7 games under 40%
Danilo Gallinari-15.5 points and 39%-11 games under 40%
Wilson Chandler-12.9 points and 39%-8 games under 40%
Chauncy Billups-12.1 points and 37%-10 games under 40%
Kevin Martin-5.3 pointse and 39%-11 games under 40%
Derek Fisher-4.0 points and 35%-11 games under 40%
Kyle Korver-2.0 points and 32%-8 games under 40%

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12/3/2010  4:23 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
Vmart wrote:What people here don't seems to understand is that Gallo, seems to forget his formula of success. Gallo always manages to go away from the game that has brought him success to revert to the three point jacking player that he craves to be. That is the maddening part of his game that leaves any fan shaking his head. The fact that he can put so much pressure on the opposing team but he seems to bail them out with jacking threes.

I think this is where you are wrong. I think everyone understands taht this is what Gallo does and I think everyone is left shaking their heads and frustrated. This is exactly why most 22 year olds are not stars in the NBA. They are all trying to figure it out. That's where Gallo is right now. Have to be patient. Now at 25 if this pattern is still there, then you obviously have a flawed player. But at 22, this is no surprise. The biggest knock against Ray Allen in college and his first 3 seasons in the NBA was that he relied on his jumper too much, didn't use his athleticism to get to the line and floated in and out of games.

Let the kids grow

I just pointed out what he is successful at doing. He is a set shot shooter. Goes to the basket but poor finisher. Draws a lot of fouls because he is awkward when going to the basket. Very rarely will you see him shoot off the dribble if he does almost guaranteed he will miss the shot. If he isn't going all the way to the hoop its guaranteed to be a missed shot. Mid range game nonexistent. Its funny to me how some are just chalking it up as he is 22 and will learn it. I don't think he can learn it. I think his game is regressing since he came into the league. Your looking at an inconsistent player at best and I don't think time will make him a better player. I don't think he will ever be that consistent 18-22 points per game player that shoots 45% from the floor.

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12/3/2010  4:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/3/2010  4:37 PM
Vmart wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
Vmart wrote:What people here don't seems to understand is that Gallo, seems to forget his formula of success. Gallo always manages to go away from the game that has brought him success to revert to the three point jacking player that he craves to be. That is the maddening part of his game that leaves any fan shaking his head. The fact that he can put so much pressure on the opposing team but he seems to bail them out with jacking threes.

I think this is where you are wrong. I think everyone understands taht this is what Gallo does and I think everyone is left shaking their heads and frustrated. This is exactly why most 22 year olds are not stars in the NBA. They are all trying to figure it out. That's where Gallo is right now. Have to be patient. Now at 25 if this pattern is still there, then you obviously have a flawed player. But at 22, this is no surprise. The biggest knock against Ray Allen in college and his first 3 seasons in the NBA was that he relied on his jumper too much, didn't use his athleticism to get to the line and floated in and out of games.

Let the kids grow

I just pointed out what he is successful at doing. He is a set shot shooter. Goes to the basket but poor finisher. Draws a lot of fouls because he is awkward when going to the basket. Very rarely will you see him shoot off the dribble if he does almost guaranteed he will miss the shot. If he isn't going all the way to the hoop its guaranteed to be a missed shot. Mid range game nonexistent. Its funny to me how some are just chalking it up as he is 22 and will learn it. I don't think he can learn it. I think his game is regressing since he came into the league. Your looking at an inconsistent player at best and I don't think time will make him a better player. I don't think he will ever be that consistent 18-22 points per game player that shoots 45% from the floor.

Maybe he won't, maybe he will. But there is no way to tell at this point in his career. To assume that a guy with his ability can't improve his long-range and mid-range shot is very odd to me. We have examples on our very team

Ray Felton developed a consistent outside shot during year 5(after shooting 38%, 39%,41% and 40% he jumped to 45% and now 47%
David Lee developed a consistent outside midrange shot year 5

Gallinari has a more natural stroke then both of them. If he works hard why would anyone conclude that he can't improve. Just to upset yourself and be pessimistic?? I just gave you the stats of 6 current great scorers/shooters who all shot the same or worse then Gallo at this stage in their careers(Wilson, Billups, Martin, Fisher, Korver). How did things work for them? Right before our eyes we saw Lee and Felto become consistent shooters in year 5. Gallo has not even played 2 complete seasons and some of us have concluded that his shot will never get better. Again, it is possible. If he doesn't work hard he won't get better. But to conclude at this stage that he won't is just pointless negative thoughts that are going to upset yourself but are really not base on anything other then intuition. YOu are ignoring decades of basketball history and how many players improve over time.

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12/3/2010  5:07 PM
In case you need more evidence of guys that improved their shots as their careers went on

Steve Kerr after 20 games during the season he turned 22 was shooting 36% from the field
Joe Johnson after 20 games during the season he turned 22 was shooting 37% from the field
Jason Kapono shot 40% his first 2 seasons in the NBA
Russell Westbrook shot under 40% his first 2 full seasons in the NBA

Many of their fans were saying they would never be consistent either. We can present many examples of guys that never improved to. Many on this site cried that Wilson had reached his limit last year and 2 years ago as well. David Lee was "never going to have a jumper"......This isn't to say taht Gallo will ever get better. It is to show you that this needless worry that what you see is what you get with Gallo is far overblown. I'd worry more about the play of guys that have been in the league for a while, like Amare and Felton and Turiaf. They should be consistent. Guys like Douglas and Gallo and Mozgov and even Wilson are going to have struggles. Taht's reality.

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12/3/2010  5:41 PM
wow. bip is an INSANE gallo-lover. this is worrisome.
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12/3/2010  6:02 PM
Kapono's 3Pt% has been all over the place his whole career
Fisher has been basically between .380 and .410 his whole career

The question isn't really his percentages, its the fact that he's up and down like crazy and it costs you games when he's down in my opinion. If he goes to the line all the time that's different, but he never seems to stick to that plan. He'll go to the line a dozen times, have an efficient game and then camp out behind the arc the next game. Very strange bird that rooster.

I just think that we have holes we're going to have to trade some of these guys to fill in order to really make a push this year. I still think TD for Maynor makes a ton of sense. If Felton ever gets worn down or injured you're in trouble. We had him playing 50+ minutes the other night even though he had a stomach bug.

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12/3/2010  6:36 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:The question isn't really his percentages, its the fact that he's up and down like crazy and it costs you games when he's down in my opinion. If he goes to the line all the time that's different, but he never seems to stick to that plan. He'll go to the line a dozen times, have an efficient game and then camp out behind the arc the next game. Very strange bird that rooster.

Gallo got 1.5 years worth of games under his belt. Lots of room to grow.

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Bippity10
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12/5/2010  8:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/5/2010  8:43 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Kapono's 3Pt% has been all over the place his whole career
Fisher has been basically between .380 and .410 his whole career

The question isn't really his percentages, its the fact that he's up and down like crazy and it costs you games when he's down in my opinion. If he goes to the line all the time that's different, but he never seems to stick to that plan. He'll go to the line a dozen times, have an efficient game and then camp out behind the arc the next game. Very strange bird that rooster.

I just think that we have holes we're going to have to trade some of these guys to fill in order to really make a push this year. I still think TD for Maynor makes a ton of sense. If Felton ever gets worn down or injured you're in trouble. We had him playing 50+ minutes the other night even though he had a stomach bug.

His inconsistency is well documented and again no one has disputed that. That's clearly his problem right now, and not sure we need it pointed out every day, considering everyone agrees with this. His main problem is a shot selection problem. A lot of young cats suffer from this, otherwise I wouldn't be winning my YmCA title every year at my advanced age. Can he get better? It remains to be seen.

That being said he's 22 hasn't played 2 full seasons yet and has room for improvement. I look at this current roster and there is nobody who is getting minutes right now, that concerns me. They all have the ability to get better. Even Amare.

I could target Amare's turnovers, Felton's turnovers, Landry's inconsistent outside shot, Wilson's poor 3 point shooting and inabiltiy to get to the line, Turiaf's poor offensive production, Douglas' inconsistency, Danilo's inconsistency. I can focus on all that stuff and cry myself to sleep at night. But.......then I look at the ages of all these guys and I think wow, this is what we were all asking for years ago. I then accept the folly of youth and get excited about the possibilities.

Now we do have to strengthen the roster. If you can trade Gallinari for someone that is better then him or has a higher ceiling. Of course you do it. But with the age of our players right now I don't think nitpicking their flaws is all that productive. Giving up on a guy that hasn't played 2 seasons yet because we feel his limit has been reached at age 22(even though he's scoring 15 a game, playing solid D and fitting in nicely with this team as the fourth option), is weird in my view.

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12/5/2010  8:41 AM
Marv wrote:wow. bip is an INSANE gallo-lover. this is worrisome.

I actually like this entire team and would probably place Gallo 6th, behind Amare, Felton, Landry, Wilson, Turiaf in order of my love.

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12/5/2010  8:51 AM
cheers wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
Marv wrote:wow. bip is an INSANE gallo-lover. this is worrisome.

I actually like this entire team and would probably place Gallo 6th, behind Amare, Felton, Landry, Wilson, Turiaf in order of my love.

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