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Bippity10
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12/3/2010  4:18 PM
nixluva wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
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nixluva wrote:Some bigs need to be lurkers. I felt that way about Curry. He doesn't need to be the primary focus of the offense. These bigs will be more effective when they get the ball on back door cuts, off guard penetration hand offs, PnR etc. You put AR in that kind of role where he's catching alleyoops and able to get the ball in motion to the basket and he's gonna be a monster.

What you want is to run your play and draw the D so that AR can be within 2 steps to the basket and get a pass that leads to a dunk or layup. This is how CP3 used Chandler and he's back to doing that with the Mavs! All of our bigs can do this. Timo, Turiaf, AR and of course Amar'e. Tho Amar'e has far more game, but still those other guys can at least be dump off guys in this offense.

I think ultimately that's what his role will be. Unfortunately right now he's shooting so poorly that his man is just playing in the paint and taking the back door option away from him. This is also clogging the paint for Amare. This is why he is a liability right now.

This is why I like the sets we run where there is more motion. You want to keep the D from just packing in then you have to get everyone moving. Picks being set and lots of passing and player movement. That's how AR can slip in behind the D or in the lane for easy scores. When we don't have 3 pt shooting in the game we can run those kinds of plays. No reason why AR can't be a great PnR guy.

Because teams are not overplaying the screen when Randolph is involved. If they switch the new man just drops off not allowing him to roll. If they don't switch his own man drops off. They are forcing all his pick and rolls to be pick and pops. When he becomes a threat this will change. But right now.....

I think it's more how he's doing it and when. Watch Turiaf and he comes up from the post area and sets a fake screen at the key and slips right down the lane. Timo uses that play as well. There are also other plays where it's more of a give and go type play.

I like the one where Felton gives the ball to Amar'e then darts past Amar'e, who hands it back as Felton streaks towards the basket. This play also forces the PF guarding Amar'e to leave him to try and stop Felton from getting the layup. If he's successful, that's when the rolling Amar'e has the opening in the paint to get a short drop off from Felton. AR could do that play just as well IMO. It's a play that starts closer to the basket and isn't intended to lead to a PnPop.

That's because Turiaf understands the game and Ar does not. Turiaf knows exactly when to slip the screen to get to the open spot wehre AR does not. Also Turiaf is a big dude, so he can roll to the paint and seal a defender off as he rolls and get to where he wants to go. Same goes for Stoudemire and Wilson. AR and Gallo end up on the perimeter because defenders body them to keep them out of the paint.

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12/3/2010  5:06 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Some bigs need to be lurkers. I felt that way about Curry. He doesn't need to be the primary focus of the offense. These bigs will be more effective when they get the ball on back door cuts, off guard penetration hand offs, PnR etc. You put AR in that kind of role where he's catching alleyoops and able to get the ball in motion to the basket and he's gonna be a monster.

What you want is to run your play and draw the D so that AR can be within 2 steps to the basket and get a pass that leads to a dunk or layup. This is how CP3 used Chandler and he's back to doing that with the Mavs! All of our bigs can do this. Timo, Turiaf, AR and of course Amar'e. Tho Amar'e has far more game, but still those other guys can at least be dump off guys in this offense.

I think ultimately that's what his role will be. Unfortunately right now he's shooting so poorly that his man is just playing in the paint and taking the back door option away from him. This is also clogging the paint for Amare. This is why he is a liability right now.

This is why I like the sets we run where there is more motion. You want to keep the D from just packing in then you have to get everyone moving. Picks being set and lots of passing and player movement. That's how AR can slip in behind the D or in the lane for easy scores. When we don't have 3 pt shooting in the game we can run those kinds of plays. No reason why AR can't be a great PnR guy.

Because teams are not overplaying the screen when Randolph is involved. If they switch the new man just drops off not allowing him to roll. If they don't switch his own man drops off. They are forcing all his pick and rolls to be pick and pops. When he becomes a threat this will change. But right now.....

I think it's more how he's doing it and when. Watch Turiaf and he comes up from the post area and sets a fake screen at the key and slips right down the lane. Timo uses that play as well. There are also other plays where it's more of a give and go type play.

I like the one where Felton gives the ball to Amar'e then darts past Amar'e, who hands it back as Felton streaks towards the basket. This play also forces the PF guarding Amar'e to leave him to try and stop Felton from getting the layup. If he's successful, that's when the rolling Amar'e has the opening in the paint to get a short drop off from Felton. AR could do that play just as well IMO. It's a play that starts closer to the basket and isn't intended to lead to a PnPop.

That's because Turiaf understands the game and Ar does not. Turiaf knows exactly when to slip the screen to get to the open spot wehre AR does not. Also Turiaf is a big dude, so he can roll to the paint and seal a defender off as he rolls and get to where he wants to go. Same goes for Stoudemire and Wilson. AR and Gallo end up on the perimeter because defenders body them to keep them out of the paint.

Yea AR has a ways to go, but it's gonna be interesting to see if he can use the same types of plays to find his own success in this offense. it's right there for him. Sure he's still a bit light in the shorts, but he looks to me to still be getting bigger. I think the injury history of Turiaf will allow AR to have a chance to do more and more this year. We have to save Turiaf for the playoffs, so AR is a likely candidate to benefit from limiting Turiaf's minutes. It should be interesting to see how AR comes along.

I just don't want to see him playing more like a SF, which he tends to do. Looking for his jumper too much and trying to take guys off the dribble. Sure he has the talent to do this, but the IQ to know when is missing.

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12/3/2010  5:18 PM
nixluva wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Some bigs need to be lurkers. I felt that way about Curry. He doesn't need to be the primary focus of the offense. These bigs will be more effective when they get the ball on back door cuts, off guard penetration hand offs, PnR etc. You put AR in that kind of role where he's catching alleyoops and able to get the ball in motion to the basket and he's gonna be a monster.

What you want is to run your play and draw the D so that AR can be within 2 steps to the basket and get a pass that leads to a dunk or layup. This is how CP3 used Chandler and he's back to doing that with the Mavs! All of our bigs can do this. Timo, Turiaf, AR and of course Amar'e. Tho Amar'e has far more game, but still those other guys can at least be dump off guys in this offense.

I think ultimately that's what his role will be. Unfortunately right now he's shooting so poorly that his man is just playing in the paint and taking the back door option away from him. This is also clogging the paint for Amare. This is why he is a liability right now.

This is why I like the sets we run where there is more motion. You want to keep the D from just packing in then you have to get everyone moving. Picks being set and lots of passing and player movement. That's how AR can slip in behind the D or in the lane for easy scores. When we don't have 3 pt shooting in the game we can run those kinds of plays. No reason why AR can't be a great PnR guy.

Because teams are not overplaying the screen when Randolph is involved. If they switch the new man just drops off not allowing him to roll. If they don't switch his own man drops off. They are forcing all his pick and rolls to be pick and pops. When he becomes a threat this will change. But right now.....

I think it's more how he's doing it and when. Watch Turiaf and he comes up from the post area and sets a fake screen at the key and slips right down the lane. Timo uses that play as well. There are also other plays where it's more of a give and go type play.

I like the one where Felton gives the ball to Amar'e then darts past Amar'e, who hands it back as Felton streaks towards the basket. This play also forces the PF guarding Amar'e to leave him to try and stop Felton from getting the layup. If he's successful, that's when the rolling Amar'e has the opening in the paint to get a short drop off from Felton. AR could do that play just as well IMO. It's a play that starts closer to the basket and isn't intended to lead to a PnPop.

That's because Turiaf understands the game and Ar does not. Turiaf knows exactly when to slip the screen to get to the open spot wehre AR does not. Also Turiaf is a big dude, so he can roll to the paint and seal a defender off as he rolls and get to where he wants to go. Same goes for Stoudemire and Wilson. AR and Gallo end up on the perimeter because defenders body them to keep them out of the paint.

Yea AR has a ways to go, but it's gonna be interesting to see if he can use the same types of plays to find his own success in this offense. it's right there for him. Sure he's still a bit light in the shorts, but he looks to me to still be getting bigger. I think the injury history of Turiaf will allow AR to have a chance to do more and more this year. We have to save Turiaf for the playoffs, so AR is a likely candidate to benefit from limiting Turiaf's minutes. It should be interesting to see how AR comes along.

I just don't want to see him playing more like a SF, which he tends to do. Looking for his jumper too much and trying to take guys off the dribble. Sure he has the talent to do this, but the IQ to know when is missing.

Hey if Camby could run the pick and roll so can AR eventually

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12/3/2010  5:31 PM
Thanks for sharing your opinions.

The Majority: Bippity, Cheers, TMS and Fishmike are for starting Turiaf when he gets healthy again.
The Minority: Briggs and RV, would continue to start Chandler.

Over the last 4 games, Wilson Chandler has been informally auditioning for a starting role with the Knicks. I think we all agree that his "starting" production of 22.3 points, 7 rebounds, 2.5 assists and 3 blocks a game has been simply awesome. (Stats from Briggs) Is anyone the least bit concerned that there may be a potential drop off in Chandler's production if he is sent back to his 6th man role?

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12/3/2010  7:34 PM
rvwink wrote:Thanks for sharing your opinions.

The Majority: Bippity, Cheers, TMS and Fishmike are for starting Turiaf when he gets healthy again.
The Minority: Briggs and RV, would continue to start Chandler.

Over the last 4 games, Wilson Chandler has been informally auditioning for a starting role with the Knicks. I think we all agree that his "starting" production of 22.3 points, 7 rebounds, 2.5 assists and 3 blocks a game has been simply awesome. (Stats from Briggs) Is anyone the least bit concerned that there may be a potential drop off in Chandler's production if he is sent back to his 6th man role?

Nah. I think Chan is just a solid player and no matter if he starts or not, he's gonna put up good numbers over the course of the season. We don't really have a good bench if he's not part of it. There's only one way that changes and that's if AZ and AR get into the mix and play well. But that's a hope rather than a proven factor. What we do know is that Chan gives our bench a big boost and we do need that against the better teams.

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