Quick missed threes often lead to: Opposing defensive rebounds due to Knicks standing around on the perimeter flat footed watching someone shoot(hardly any movement) + fast break = easy points for the opposition and inflated defensive rebounds and additional shot opportunities because we chuck it up 7 seconds or less. VERY Flawed strategy.

arkrud wrote:The way talked today he is a dead man wolking... so this thing can have legs.
I was supporting Mike for a long time but get some feeling lately that he is not what I like any more.
Team is overgrown him and we need some harismatic coach with more emotions and drive.

1000% agree with this. A big part of MDA's problem is his personality and mid-western laid back attitude. It just doesn't fit NYC's urban in-yo-face culture, and it is not getting the players' respect.

We need a City guy to coach this team, one who demands accountability and is willing to adapt to circumstances (a.k.a. Mark Jackson with Patrick Ewing as an assistant).

I have defended MDA before, but I am done with him. His system may have some feasibility with an elite PG, but he has utterly failed to adapt to this team and he should be fired if we don't turn things around on this road trip. He is certainly NOT the long-term answer for our team as coach, and we may as well get moving in the right direction now.

BTW, Tommy D. said Walsh could "name the successor now". Any thought on who he has in mind?

knicks1248 wrote:

Marv wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:just saw on ESPN..we are the first team to lose a game after having more rbs, less TO's more block shots, more ast..

make our FT's this thread wouldn't be here..

I think MDA is doing an ok job, AR waa jacking up the same jumpers in GS, we have jump shooters that are not hitting there shots..bottom line. i don't cae how much talent we have, nothing beats chemistry.

Despite the 3's the ending #s stated we should have beat denver. we don't have the luxary of shooting anything less the 80% from the Ft line. We have to capitlize were we can. knicks took 98 shots, 31 3's, thats roughly 30 pct of your offense...thats not that bad from a jump shooting team..

I agree with MDA, we have shown that we can hit three's, why stop, adventually, they will start to fall, and the confindence will start to build.

i couldn’t disagree with you more. it's the ultimate fool's gold. this team will die by the 3, not thrive by it. It rots the offensive chemistry, deters movement and kills the hustle and spirit of the team.

Did I mention I don’t like all the 3’s?

What made you think things would change this year, you thought MDA would say "no more three's guy's Im done with that system".

MDA was a Euro player/coach, and thats what he know's best, thats what he teach's.

You think Phil jackson is going to say, "the hell with the triangle lets just play hard" just becuase the team can't get it right. Be for real.. We lack a 2nd star, and a prime time PG, the coach is the least of the problems.

it's a good question. i did expect some modification (= sanity) out of mda. such as, the additions of randolph, fields, felton, mosgov, turiaf, stoudemire and anticipated improvements/maturation of chandler, douglas, gallinari means our strengths are in slashing, pounding the glass, taking advantage of size matchups and running. there's nothing in this team's makeup (particularly with azubukkake being out) that favors a stand around the perimeter and launch 3's attack. but you’re right. i gave the guy too much credit and too much of a chance and should have just called for a preseason mob with pitchforks to get it over with already.

I supported the Dantoni hiring for 3 main reasons:

1) He was anybody but Isiah, who's issues obviously extended far beyond his coaching style.

2) He had NBA experience, much of it quite good.

3) This is the biggie: we was supposed to be a players coach with a system players loved to play in and thrived in. I wasn't expecting him to magically have every player realize his maximum potential, but I'm of the philosophy that pretty much any NBA team can win more than it looses if it's willing to outwork it's opponent 100% of the time. Here I'm thinking of Doc River's first year in Orlando, and Phoenix under MDA.

I haven't seen enough games the last year to do a fair critique of MDA's gameplan (too many 3's, who should be featured, etc) but in the basic arena of competitiveness, trust of his players and GM, etc, I'm just not seeing it. It's one thing to have a style of play, but it'll never work if you can't get your players to buy into it.

In the poll I voted to give MDA the season, but after hearing that postgame clip of Amare lamenting that the team isn't trying, I'm downgrading that to 10-20 games to prove he hasn't lost the team. But if we go 3-7, or 2-8, it's time to move on.

i'm of the opinion that this team doesn't need radical changes to be successful. i just think this team can't survive with d'antoni's rigid dedication to his "style." d'antoni seems like he really can't stand the media. he would do anything not to follow their suggestions. it's like he's coaching to prove people wrong and not to win. it's like some paranoid obsession.

Vmart wrote:Tommy is thinking about George Karl. UNC guy who doesn't have a contract past this season. His source is the anesthesiologist who did the hip surgery.

Why would Donnie have the anasthesiologist do the surgery? I smell lawsuit.

nixluva wrote:I can't support firing a coach when you give him young dumb players and don't give him time to coach them. TD and Felton's lack of ability to see the floor and make teammates better isn't something MDA can fix quickly if at all. AR's lack of BB IQ and the rosters lack of 3 pt shooting aren't his fault either. He's not telling these guys to jack up 3's before they've worked the ball around and tried to get a better shot. NO COACH wants that. You take away good PG play, PnR and Good shooting and really it's amazing that we've been able to be in any of these games!!! if just one of those things get fixed we win most of those games.

I hear where you're coming from- the problem for me is that after these 2 and a bit years of D'Antoni it's clear that he needs a very specific, rare type of point guard for his system to work, otherwise it's a disaster. However, ask yourself honestly- what are the chances that we get a point guard that's good enough within the next 2 years? Slim to none- and so if you accept that we're not going to get the kind of player he needs to have success, then really we need to get rid of him and find a coach whose system isn't as reliant on such a rare kind of player- a coach that can get more out of this roster. The players we have have big flaws, like you said, but I'm sure they could do better in another system- this one just seems to be making them all degenerate into bad 3 pt chuckers.

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:I can't support firing a coach when you give him young dumb players and don't give him time to coach them. TD and Felton's lack of ability to see the floor and make teammates better isn't something MDA can fix quickly if at all. AR's lack of BB IQ and the rosters lack of 3 pt shooting aren't his fault either. He's not telling these guys to jack up 3's before they've worked the ball around and tried to get a better shot. NO COACH wants that. You take away good PG play, PnR and Good shooting and really it's amazing that we've been able to be in any of these games!!! if just one of those things get fixed we win most of those games.

so what are you saying, we should give the coach props for milking 3 wins out of this dysfunctional bunch of misfit players? it never ceases to amaze me how MDA can never be held accountable for his inability to get his players to get on the same page in your eyes. he's been working with some of these guys for over 2 years now teaching them his system & they still don't look like they know what they're doing out there on a nightly basis. we went out & brought in Amare who was hugely successful playing in this system out West & yet the team has looked as lost as ever here in NY after his arrival. so are we to blame that on our lack of a playmaker like Steve Nash to run the system effectively? & if that's the case, wouldn't that support the idea that MDA can't be successful with this system without an MVP calibre PG running it?

^ I could understand giving Felton time to understand the PnR. I mean he's the one who's been thrust into a completely alien system.

But Amare has been playing in D'Antoni's system since he came into the league.
Chandler, Gallo, and Douglas have all been under D'Antoni's tenure for over a year now.

And yet all four of these players are probably the biggest culprits for dumbest plays on the court (aside from AR who'd probably look dumb in any system).

If the coach doesn't want them to play this way, then where's the coaching to change these habits? Nothing changes in 11 games, or over 2 years -- players still chuck a lot of 3's at a low %, Amare still goes 1-on-3, players still stand around just watching on offense (although we moved a lot more in the 4th quarter of the Denver game)...if this is just dumb play on the players' part, and not endorsed by the coach...why do we keep seeing it?

franco12 wrote:Duhon had what, 22 assists one game. MDA doesn't need an all star PG to have success.

However, I think he does need to work hard, and maybe dumb his system down, run some 'conventional' sets while this group picks up the finer points of what he wants to do.

However, he doesn't seem to be working hard at this. What gives?

I understand him mailing it in last year. But this year?

how many games did we win with Duhon last year? the year before that? Duhon had a great game that night feeding D Lee the ball in the PnR, i think everyone would agree with that, but do you see that as a formula for longterm success? how many games like that is a guy like Chris Duhon likely to have? not many.

Piece on the Knicks coaching staff

nixluva wrote:I can't support firing a coach when you give him young dumb players and don't give him time to coach them. TD and Felton's lack of ability to see the floor and make teammates better isn't something MDA can fix quickly if at all. AR's lack of BB IQ and the rosters lack of 3 pt shooting aren't his fault either. He's not telling these guys to jack up 3's before they've worked the ball around and tried to get a better shot. NO COACH wants that. You take away good PG play, PnR and Good shooting and really it's amazing that we've been able to be in any of these games!!! if just one of those things get fixed we win most of those games.