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Moonangie
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11/11/2010  4:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/11/2010  4:07 PM
iSergio wrote:
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iSergio wrote:Danilo Gallinari is one of the worst players in the entire league if his shot is not falling. He's useless when he's cold. He doesn't contribute anything to a team. I just hate the kid. I hate his game, hate that stupid haircut and his soft and scared personality on the court. I really hope we trade this bum soon.

Just... retarded.

Not retarded. What else does Danilo Gallinari do?

He blocks some shots, gets some assists, takes some charges, grabs some boards, dunks on occasion and gets to the stripe. Yes, his main claim to a roster spot is his shooting, which is certainly off atm. But your supposition is that he does nothing else and should not even play in the NBA if his shot is off. That's what I consider "'tard talk".

Just keepin' it real: You're a hater who will always see the world in a glass half empty, cynical way.

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11/11/2010  4:27 PM
Felton seems to be the only player who can get into the paint with explosiveness and finish well. Amare is a turnover waiting to happen although defenses close down on him a bit due to our lack of shooting. This team takes too many threes. They get enough good looks, they just dont fall. Gallo is definitely partly to blame, but there is plenty to go around. I have to start with our 100 million dollar man. His shot selection and ball security have been huge problems. They need to get in the paint and finish or draw more fouls. I actually like this roster. They have a lot of defensive capability but they don't use their heads. Douglas can play outstanding defense one half and just awful the next. His gambles and pressure leads to more scores than turnovers. Damn I can go on forever. This team needs to get it together.
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11/11/2010  4:54 PM
Moonangie wrote:
iSergio wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
iSergio wrote:Danilo Gallinari is one of the worst players in the entire league if his shot is not falling. He's useless when he's cold. He doesn't contribute anything to a team. I just hate the kid. I hate his game, hate that stupid haircut and his soft and scared personality on the court. I really hope we trade this bum soon.

Just... retarded.

Not retarded. What else does Danilo Gallinari do?

He blocks some shots, gets some assists, takes some charges, grabs some boards, dunks on occasion and gets to the stripe. Yes, his main claim to a roster spot is his shooting, which is certainly off atm. But your supposition is that he does nothing else and should not even play in the NBA if his shot is off. That's what I consider "'tard talk".

Just keepin' it real: You're a hater who will always see the world in a glass half empty, cynical way.


0.6 bpg, 1.4 apg, 4.2 rpg, 3.9 ft attempts is not enough from your starting SF and a player some believed was untouchable and a future Star.

Danilo Gallinari and you fail.

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11/11/2010  5:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/11/2010  5:52 PM
iSergio wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
iSergio wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
iSergio wrote:Danilo Gallinari is one of the worst players in the entire league if his shot is not falling. He's useless when he's cold. He doesn't contribute anything to a team. I just hate the kid. I hate his game, hate that stupid haircut and his soft and scared personality on the court. I really hope we trade this bum soon.

Just... retarded.

Not retarded. What else does Danilo Gallinari do?

He blocks some shots, gets some assists, takes some charges, grabs some boards, dunks on occasion and gets to the stripe. Yes, his main claim to a roster spot is his shooting, which is certainly off atm. But your supposition is that he does nothing else and should not even play in the NBA if his shot is off. That's what I consider "'tard talk".

Just keepin' it real: You're a hater who will always see the world in a glass half empty, cynical way.


0.6 bpg, 1.4 apg, 4.2 rpg, 3.9 ft attempts is not enough from your starting SF and a player some believed was untouchable and a future Star.

Danilo Gallinari and you fail.

In 31 games after the all star break in 37 minutes per game

17.3 pts 3.8 boards 1.7 assists 1 steal 0.6 blocks

Last month of last season

22.5 pts 5.9 rebounds 2.8 assist 1 steal 2.8 3s per game albeit with some ugly percentages
43.5% from the field
38.6 % from downtown

This was also ONLY in 8 games so hard to tell if he can come close to sustaining on this for a season, let alone improving on it.

People were hoping he'd build on his rookie year basically, this season. Perhaps they have rainbow colored shades on. We've played 8 games this season. Relax chief.

You may yet be proven right and Gallo will top out as nothing more than a role player. It's a bit early to tell and you throwing around words like "useless" and saying intelligent things like

"he doesn't contribute anything to a team"
"I hate his game, hate that stupid haircut and his soft and scared personality on the court"
"I really hope we trade this bum soon"

doesn't really add anything to the conversation. Feel free to say any of the above about a guy like Curry.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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11/11/2010  6:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/11/2010  7:05 PM
Gallinari's biggest problem is supposed to be his strength- his shot- and there is no way to sugarcoat the fact that, except for 2 games, his shooting has been terrible.

But to say he is doing nothing else on the floor to help a team tells me that someone did not see the game last night or just does not understand what he is actually seeing. He was very active on D yesterday, and announcers picked up on it.

He did get hit with some questionable fouls, and probably should have had some called in his favor on a drive or two.

I also don't know how many guys who once had back surgery are willing to take the charges he takes- and he is even taking flops which put him on his ass.

Right now, in fact, Gallo is almost more of a defensive specialist than the offensive force he is supposed to be.

He seemed to go to the basket more often than usual yesterday, perhaps because he knows his shot is off.

He hits two 3's yesterday and the game has a different conclusion. The guy just has to get a shot going, and our guards have to get him the ball at the right time. He has to find the areas where he can put up a higher % shot when (and if, which is another issue) the ball is kicked out, and he has to hit the f'n shot.

I've been disappointed in how he has shot so far this year, perhaps because I've been a defender of his and expect a lot out of him, but the season is still young, and it is obvious that the team has not yet developed an offensive personalityh.

Some folks are just pissed off because we don't have Melo, and seem to think that poor performances by some of the players we might have traded for him are worthy of even stronger attacks.

There are a lot of things wrong with this team, despite a few bright moments, and there is no player who should be blame free.

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11/11/2010  6:15 PM
iSergio wrote:
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JohnWallace44 wrote:Gallo in our losses this year;

GSW - 3-9 15 pts, 7 boards, 0-5 from deep
MIL - 1-6 5 pts, 3 boards, 0-2 from deep
PHI - 4-11 15 pts, 6 boards, 2-6 from deep
POR - 2-9 4 pts, 0 boards, 0-3 from deep
BOS - 0-6 2 pts, 3 boards, 0-3 from deep

This guy is killing the Knicks right now. We've got a winning record with any other SF in the league starting in his place.

Reminds me of Channing Frye. Dude fell of like crazy.


This is EXACTLY like Channing Frye. Overrated one dimensional player with unrealistic expectations. Danilo Gallinari can probably be a good role player/specialist on a team off the bench like Frye was last year for Phoenix but we can put the bed the idea of him becoming this Star some of you thought he'd be. And if Denver wants Gallo, Anthony Randolph and Wilson Chandler for Carmelo Anthony, we pull the trigger and win.

Some people have short memories. Channing Frye was riding that coming off an injury excuse for dam near a year. He got to Portland and still played like ****.

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11/11/2010  6:15 PM
iSergio wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:Gallo in our losses this year;

GSW - 3-9 15 pts, 7 boards, 0-5 from deep
MIL - 1-6 5 pts, 3 boards, 0-2 from deep
PHI - 4-11 15 pts, 6 boards, 2-6 from deep
POR - 2-9 4 pts, 0 boards, 0-3 from deep
BOS - 0-6 2 pts, 3 boards, 0-3 from deep

This guy is killing the Knicks right now. We've got a winning record with any other SF in the league starting in his place.

Reminds me of Channing Frye. Dude fell of like crazy.


This is EXACTLY like Channing Frye. Overrated one dimensional player with unrealistic expectations. Danilo Gallinari can probably be a good role player/specialist on a team off the bench like Frye was last year for Phoenix but we can put the bed the idea of him becoming this Star some of you thought he'd be. And if Denver wants Gallo, Anthony Randolph and Wilson Chandler for Carmelo Anthony, we pull the trigger and win.

why is carmelo's team just 4-4? and you think he will save the knicks? so what you are saying is that the knicks are better than denver except for melo? so billups, nene, aflalo, smith and crew are not as good as what we have? is that your argument?

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11/11/2010  6:16 PM
Moonangie wrote:
iSergio wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
iSergio wrote:Danilo Gallinari is one of the worst players in the entire league if his shot is not falling. He's useless when he's cold. He doesn't contribute anything to a team. I just hate the kid. I hate his game, hate that stupid haircut and his soft and scared personality on the court. I really hope we trade this bum soon.

Just... retarded.

Not retarded. What else does Danilo Gallinari do?

He blocks some shots, gets some assists, takes some charges, grabs some boards, dunks on occasion and gets to the stripe. Yes, his main claim to a roster spot is his shooting, which is certainly off atm. But your supposition is that he does nothing else and should not even play in the NBA if his shot is off. That's what I consider "'tard talk".

Just keepin' it real: You're a hater who will always see the world in a glass half empty, cynical way.

Tard talk is exactly what that is.. good post moonagie

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/11/2010  6:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/11/2010  6:48 PM
I cannot believe there is an entire thread dedicated to trashing one of our best players.

Anyone who thought this was going to be an amazing season needs to readjust their expectations. This team has a long way to go regardless of who is on the roster and who is coaching. Regardless of popular opinion on this board, the team is flawed in MANY ways. Gallo is a good player and we should support him - he is the least of our problems.

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11/11/2010  7:11 PM
OasisBU wrote:I cannot believe there is an entire thread dedicated to trashing one of our best players.

Anyone who thought this was going to be an amazing season needs to readjust their expectations. This team has a long way to go regardless of who is on the roster and who is coaching. Regardless of popular opinion on this board, the team is flawed in MANY ways. Gallo is a good player and we should support him - he is the least of our problems.


The plan for the last two years has been to get to this year. That is why David Lee is on the Warriors. That is why the suck@ss coach has been allowed to stay and his incompetencies execused. This is supposed to be the year. This team needs to get better. The last two years have been all about waiting for 2010. Gallo was picked ahead of a lot of very good NBA players so the expectation that he perform is going to be there.
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11/11/2010  7:59 PM
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OasisBU wrote:I cannot believe there is an entire thread dedicated to trashing one of our best players.

Anyone who thought this was going to be an amazing season needs to readjust their expectations. This team has a long way to go regardless of who is on the roster and who is coaching. Regardless of popular opinion on this board, the team is flawed in MANY ways. Gallo is a good player and we should support him - he is the least of our problems.


The plan for the last two years has been to get to this year. That is why David Lee is on the Warriors. That is why the suck@ss coach has been allowed to stay and his incompetencies execused. This is supposed to be the year. This team needs to get better. The last two years have been all about waiting for 2010. Gallo was picked ahead of a lot of very good NBA players so the expectation that he perform is going to be there.

So is your point that they only get 8 games to show what this year is gonna be about? It seems a bit premature to go in either direction. I think this team is still gonna end up about where most of us think they'll be. There are the elite teams Mia, Orl, Bos, Atl and then there are the rest of the teams all about the same boat.
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11/11/2010  8:21 PM
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iSergio wrote:Danilo Gallinari is one of the worst players in the entire league if his shot is not falling. He's useless when he's cold. He doesn't contribute anything to a team. I just hate the kid. I hate his game, hate that stupid haircut and his soft and scared personality on the court. I really hope we trade this bum soon.

I totally disagree with this. Gallo is a very good player that is being misused in this system he maybe playing hurt which should be respected in its own way. Personally I would sit him until he is better. The culprit behind the losing is MDA, I respect what he did with the Suns but he needs to adjust and come up with a new approach to the team he has. If MDA isn't able to adjust to his talent then it will be a long season. So far MDA has failed the team with very poor game planning. Lack of execution of game plan. Players are to free to jack up shots on the whim. This system currently run by the Knicks is a fail system. MDA needs to adjust just as Pat Riley adjusted to his talents from Showtime to Knicks and Heat. A coach cannot have one approach to a game and continue to do it even when it is a failed system. MDA has failed to realize in game adjustment. Last night team makes a comeback by driving consistently to the hoop. They break away from what was working to go back to jacking threes, this is an example of poor in game management.

I'm a believer that it isn't always the coaches fault. In Brown's case, it was the players the last two years it was the players because the team had a bigger goal of getting cap space. this year it not about the players its on the coach to bring it all together and he needs to look himself in the mirror and ask himself what he can do to better utilize the talent he has. That is one of marks of a great coach, is his ability to adjust to the talent he has and bringing out the best in them. This is not a three point shooting team and he needs to realize that. There has to be a higher level of execution by the Knicks. This team is playing sloppy basketball, taking ill advised shots thats on the coach for poor preperation.

This really sums it up for me. I think we have enough talent here that if we get proper coaching, we should be a decent team, good enough to make the playoffs. Some teams require more coaching than others, and this team clearly needs structure. The problem is, D'Antoni seems to think he has the same team he had in Phoenix.

As Vmart points out, Pat Riley is the classic example of a coach who had success with a talented team, then went to a team not nearly as talented and changed his style dramatically in order to get the most out of his new team. What was the main thing Riley did? He turned the Knicks into one of the league's top defensive teams. Few teams over the years played defense with the passion that those Knicks did. Yes, it helped to have Ewing and Oakley leading the way, but if D'Antoni were coaching that team, you think it would have been nearly as passionate about defense? And do you think it would have achieved the same success?

A good NBA coach can coach any type of team to some success, as long as that team has some talent. For two years, D'Antoni was given a free ride, for obvious reasons. But it's time for him to adapt to what he has. He has to figure out a way to get the Knicks into the playoffs. I really believe that. It would be unacceptable for us not to make it.

Why are we shooting so many 3s when we are not a good 3-point shooting team? I do not consider Chandler a good 3-point shooter, yet he takes 5.4 3s a game, even though he is so much more effective when he takes the ball to the hoops. Why does he take so many 3s? Because he can do it without D'Antoni telling him not to.

Yes, Gallo is obviously hurting us now. We are always a better team when he is on. But we also have lost a couple of games where we were pretty clueless on our final possessions, and that's largely D'Antoni's fault.

I think this team showed in the first few games that it is more than capable of playing good defense and has enough talent to fashion a good offense. Now it's up to D'Antoni to do his part and get the team to play consistent ball on both sides.

I think Walsh has done a very good job during his time with the Knicks, but if D'Antoni can't get this team to perform to its capability then I want a change on the sidelines after the season.

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11/11/2010  8:28 PM
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Just to clarify, I meant that I want D'Antoni gone but Walsh to stay after this season if we flop.
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11/11/2010  8:48 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
OasisBU wrote:I cannot believe there is an entire thread dedicated to trashing one of our best players.

Anyone who thought this was going to be an amazing season needs to readjust their expectations. This team has a long way to go regardless of who is on the roster and who is coaching. Regardless of popular opinion on this board, the team is flawed in MANY ways. Gallo is a good player and we should support him - he is the least of our problems.


The plan for the last two years has been to get to this year. That is why David Lee is on the Warriors. That is why the suck@ss coach has been allowed to stay and his incompetencies execused. This is supposed to be the year. This team needs to get better. The last two years have been all about waiting for 2010. Gallo was picked ahead of a lot of very good NBA players so the expectation that he perform is going to be there.

So is your point that they only get 8 games to show what this year is gonna be about? It seems a bit premature to go in either direction. I think this team is still gonna end up about where most of us think they'll be. There are the elite teams Mia, Orl, Bos, Atl and then there are the rest of the teams all about the same boat.

My point is that there are expectations for this team and this player. The past two years were spent gutting this team and shedding assets to get here. The past two years are supposed to be throw away years. The marquee coach is here and now he is supposed to have the players he can work with. Gallo is on his watch and was taken 6th in a great draft. There are expectations for this team, this coach and this player.
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11/11/2010  9:00 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
OasisBU wrote:I cannot believe there is an entire thread dedicated to trashing one of our best players.

Anyone who thought this was going to be an amazing season needs to readjust their expectations. This team has a long way to go regardless of who is on the roster and who is coaching. Regardless of popular opinion on this board, the team is flawed in MANY ways. Gallo is a good player and we should support him - he is the least of our problems.


The plan for the last two years has been to get to this year. That is why David Lee is on the Warriors. That is why the suck@ss coach has been allowed to stay and his incompetencies execused. This is supposed to be the year. This team needs to get better. The last two years have been all about waiting for 2010. Gallo was picked ahead of a lot of very good NBA players so the expectation that he perform is going to be there.

So is your point that they only get 8 games to show what this year is gonna be about? It seems a bit premature to go in either direction. I think this team is still gonna end up about where most of us think they'll be. There are the elite teams Mia, Orl, Bos, Atl and then there are the rest of the teams all about the same boat.

My point is that there are expectations for this team and this player. The past two years were spent gutting this team and shedding assets to get here. The past two years are supposed to be throw away years. The marquee coach is here and now he is supposed to have the players he can work with. Gallo is on his watch and was taken 6th in a great draft. There are expectations for this team, this coach and this player.
One other thing. I keep reading that you are saying this teams failures are due to the players. At what point does some of this blame go on the coach? The problems this years team is having are the same as what I have seen the past two years but it is a new group of players. This seems to be the start of year three of its the players fault and the mistakes that have been repeated over the past two years by different players have nothing to with the coach. I guess I am not sure what players need to be in place for the coach to be successful or for repeated poor exectution on both ends of the floor by the team he coaches to be partially his fault.
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11/11/2010  9:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/11/2010  9:20 PM
The fact that this team keeps jacking up Threes even when they are dead cold from beyond the arc at critical points in games has to fall on the coach. That last game crystallized this fact when we went down by 19 due to us missing 3s... got back in the game by going to the hole... and then lost the game by trying to put it away by jacking more 3s.

The team needs to run an inside and out offense by running the offense through our best player in the post...
Instead this team runs an outside in offense that relies on 3s and then kicks it in to the post when the 3 shot is not there.

I like D'Antoni a lot... but he is starting to lose the fans with this relentless desire to shoot 3s.

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11/11/2010  9:53 PM
Every 3 gallo takes is contested. Coaching staff has to notice that.
Had enough Melo?
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11/11/2010  10:16 PM
Extrapolate the present to the future?

New Orleans has a better record than Miami.

Go figure!

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11/12/2010  12:36 AM
I'm not that high on Gallo honestly, but he's been one of our better defenders this year from what I've seen. He's always in position and is contesting shots. It's his offense that hasn't been there. I think he would struggle if teams iso's him more but right now he's really holding it down on the defensive end.
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11/12/2010  8:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/12/2010  8:12 AM
Gallo is not shooting well as he is not getting good looks. Teams are getting up on him. He needs to adjust obviously. But just as the pick and roll is not going well right now, I blame these things on our offensive genius of a coach. He is supposed to make things work like butter. Why is that Utah can take out Boozer and plug in ALJef or Millsap and still get the same results?

Now this morning, I read that they are blaming the lack of space in the paint to Fields cutting to the hoop all the time, so now we can expect him to be standing at the 3 pt line too? I happen to like his cutting and it is smart basketball. I wish Gallo would cut more, but reading this article we realize that he is being coached not to!! Ughhh.

I guess I am a motion offense guy. Must be from my soccer background.

Gallo is sucking the life out of the Knicks

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