Vmart wrote:

Marv wrote:

Vmart wrote:We better start praying Gallo and Chandler become stars. This is bad news for KNicks if Melo does go to the Nets. This is actually worse than losing out on LeBron, Wade for the simple reason he wanted the Knicks and NY and the Knicks weren't able to pull a deal together.

it's better for the knicks. we'd give up players and chemistry that may well prove more successful than having melo in the mix. if dwade or his wife had come here we'd only be out picks and hill. Plus they’re both MUCH better players.

Its not better for the Knicks Marv. Not being able to land a superstar that wants to be on your team is a giant failure. Melo locks the Knicks into a guaranteed playoffs. I like the team the Knicks currently have but I'm not gonna fool myself into thinking Melo isn't this and that, that is stupidity on our parts to say something like that. Everyone on this board knows he makes the Knicks better some are just to stubborn to admit it. He makes the Knicks an automatic 50 win team which they currently are not. We are going to regret this its not sky is falling or anything like that all this move is going to make the Nets a better team and another team that the Knicks have to compete against for a playoff spot.

The Nets do not have the pieces so surround Melo with to make any noise in the east this year but it would be a blow to us if they got him. In some way this reminds me of how the Nets got Marbury years ago and then traded him for Kidd while we needed a point guard during those years, I remember thinking the Nets???? are you kidding me? In any case I think if Melo really wants to be a Knick he needs to tell Denver I will not sign with anyone but NY and put the gun to their head basically rolling the dice that they will not let him just walk next summer. I know he wants his money and there is a fear he will leave money on the table but I cannot see Denver letting him walk without getting something in return just out of spite.

Vmart wrote:

Marv wrote:

Vmart wrote:We better start praying Gallo and Chandler become stars. This is bad news for KNicks if Melo does go to the Nets. This is actually worse than losing out on LeBron, Wade for the simple reason he wanted the Knicks and NY and the Knicks weren't able to pull a deal together.

it's better for the knicks. we'd give up players and chemistry that may well prove more successful than having melo in the mix. if dwade or his wife had come here we'd only be out picks and hill. Plus they’re both MUCH better players.

Its not better for the Knicks Marv. Not being able to land a superstar that wants to be on your team is a giant failure. Melo locks the Knicks into a guaranteed playoffs. I like the team the Knicks currently have but I'm not gonna fool myself into thinking Melo isn't this and that, that is stupidity on our parts to say something like that. Everyone on this board knows he makes the Knicks better some are just to stubborn to admit it. He makes the Knicks an automatic 50 win team which they currently are not. We are going to regret this its not sky is falling or anything like that all this move is going to make the Nets a better team and another team that the Knicks have to compete against for a playoff spot.

Melo locks the Knicks into guaranteed playoffs. I'll agree with you on that.

But doesn't the current squad with a bit of improvement from the youth also guarantee the playoffs?
And if the current youth doesn't work out we have tons of options no?

How does your level of satisfaction and happiness as a fan really change from

- Current squad qualifies for the playoffs, doesn't win championship

vs

- Melo/Amare Knicks win however many games, qualify for the playoffs but doesn't win the championship?

If I was DW I'd be pretty torn.

What's worse?

We get Melo but he's just not enough and we're kind of just stuck where Denver has been stuck the last few seasons...

or

I dunno...what is the worst case scenario if Melo goes elsewhere? Don't we still have youth and flexibility?

I guess it could be something like..Melo signs with the Bulls and they beat us in the ECF every year with Melo hitting huge shots in the 4th quarter?

Can Chicago even afford to keep a Rose/Melo/Boozer/Noah core together?

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69257/20100924/source_melo_approves_trade_to_nets/#

How long before we start coming up with Chris Paul scenarios again? Haha.

I will say this, I would love to sign Melo as a free agent but if he had to go to another team, I'd prefer it be the Nets and not the Bulls. Still, if this goes down, it's definitely a blow.

Miami is probably dancing right now. Keep the East nice and diluted so Miami can run over it.

Swishfm3 wrote:What happen to all the NBA Superstars that were dieing to play in NY because of MDA's awesome coaching and offense?

I'm disappointed, but at least the BS is over now and the Knicks can focus on the game. I hope they squeak into a 4 or 5 seed and that can still temp other top tier free agents to see themselves in the mix over the next two seasons (since Walsh has the Knicks in a situation where they can get a max free agent each of the next two seasons).

I'm disappointed, but not surprised. It's tiring to have the team you love literally used as leverage by players. Players that I have to say are clearly not up to the challenge of New York and will therefore never understand what Manning, Jeter, Mo, LT, Walt, etc. know about winning in NY.

Piss moan whine rave rant.

You really think so dude? I don't know if I believe that. I think he really wanted to be a Knick, there were just a lot of factors at play here that made it hard for him to just remain patient and wait it all out (and I'm talking in the past tense as though it's a done deal even though it isn't yet). I think there was an urgency on his part to get something done ASAP..Either the Knicks refused to pony up enough (and let's be clear: to me Gallo, Chandler, and a #1 pick in 2014 was a fair deal we absolutely could've lived with in order to get this done. I will not waiver off that. Whether or not that was ever officially offered, I have no idea. We may never know...I respect everyone's opinions here but I honestly can't see how some felt that was too much to offer--Melo's a STAR just entering his prime [Melo's younger than D Lee] that would've been a substantial upgrade over Gallinari, Chandler's good but replaceable, and with Melo on the team together with Amar'e, AR, Felton etc. I think it's safe to assume that 2014 #1 wouldn't have been a lottery selection. By that time we would probably be able to purchase a similar pick if need be..I could've lived with that trade just fine--thing is we'll probably never know if that was offered or not and if it was it may not have been enough from Denver's perspective) or Denver just flat out refused to deal with the Knicks period. Or maybe Donnie never really got the Knicks involved at all--we can all see how excited he is with the team he's assembled..Now if Denver wanted much more than what was allegedly offered i.e. Gallo AND AR, Chandler, Fields, TD, picks in 2014, 2016, 2018 etc.. then Donnie did the right thing by passing--no 1 player's worth that much, I fully agree..

I have no doubt Melo wanted NY but at the same time he's got a lot to consider: (1) a Denver front office that refused to just cave in to all of his demands, (2) a potentially volatile situation in DEN now, going back to play in front of those fans who've felt betrayed ever since it became clear he didn't wish to continue his career there weeks ago and (3) the very real possibility that he could be leaving too much money on the table given the way the new CBA might shake out..Let's not make this out to be the easiest decision in the world for this guy to make...He's got a ton of things to think about here..I'm not gonna vilify this guy one bit if he ends up in Jersey...As a Knick fan I'd prefer Jeresy over Chicago I can tell you that...

Just to be clear, what is NJ expected to give up in this deal? Favors and 3 future #1s? Are Lopez and or D Harris a part of this?? Anyone know the particulars?

crzymdups wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

All I know is Carmelo will be feasting on fools in the Eastern Conference. They may not be a top seed but if you got Melo I say your chances are pretty dam good.

Oh and trading Harris(aka Crawford lite) is addition by subtraction.

i don't see Melo feasting anymore than Amare and Gallo and AR and Felton.

or do the Knicks not play in the watered-down East as well?

It's just more self hate from damaged Knick fans. We have such low self esteem from all the years of losing. Our All Star won't be feasting on the PF's in the East, but Melo will be. TYPICAL!

Truth is, this has gotten so out of hand that Melo basically cannot go back to Denver (making a trade more likely and diminishing our chances at him). I think he could have handled this better if his ultimate goal was to be a Knick (e.g He could have turned down Denver's extension outright and said that he wanted to wait until free agency to ensure the team was going in the right direction, which he had a right to do). By staying quiet though, he has turned into the bad guy and given Denver enough leverage to force him to determine his fate now (and not in FA). He could have shrewdly put this on Denver by making them look bad for trying to trade him but he missed that opportunity. LeBron outplayed Melo on this one.

s3231 wrote:I'm surprised a lot of people here think this means that Melo really doesn't want to play for the Knicks. To me, it speaks to the Knicks' inability over the past few years to accumulate the assets necessary to pull a deal like this off. Or if you don't want to look at it that way, you can also say that maybe Donnie just didn't want Melo that badly as he knew the price wouldbe extremely high (would confirm the notion that the Knicks showed a lack of aggressiveness in this pursuit). I don't see how you can put this on Melo though considering be has left a lot of money on the table up till now and every report has suggested that he was waiting on the Knicks.

Truth is, this has gotten so out of hand that Melo basically cannot go back to Denver (making a trade more likely and diminishing our chances at him). I think he could have handled this better if his ultimate goal was to be a Knick (e.g He could have turned down Denver's extension outright and said that he wanted to wait until free agency to ensure the team was going in the right direction, which he had a right to do). By staying quiet though, he has turned into the bad guy and given Denver enough leverage to force him to determine his fate now (and not in FA). He could have shrewdly put this on Denver by making them look bad for trying to trade him but he missed that opportunity. LeBron outplayed Melo on this one.

2 years ago Donnie inherited a crap of a roster, the #6 pick in 2008, #8 pick in 2009, no pick in 2010. How do you accumulate assets?