earthmansurfer wrote:TMS wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:TMS wrote:alau53 wrote:many teams would have taken an expiring jeffries and j hill and the knicks 2012 1st rd pick for nothing back at end of year instead of mid season..if the knicks stil had these assets they could proly get the carmelo deal done..too many knick shills on this board
the sad irony of all this is that we gave up the assets to go after Lebron & didn't land him, & because we gave up those assets we will likely miss out on Melo too... but hey, at least we got Ray Felton with the extra cap space.
But we wouldn't have been far enough under the cap to S&T (or resign) David Lee. So, we wouldn't have A. Randolph right now as an asset. And if that is true that means we'd probably have to part with Gallo. What assets would we have besides Jordan Hill and our almost 2 draft picks to go after Carmello? Chandler?We would have ourselves one gutted team and a Carmello who doesn't play defense and perhaps Gallo and Chandler would be gone who do.
why would we have to part with Gallo in your scenario but he's not an available asset to use in a Melo deal? you're not making any sense... Gallo, Hill & 2 future 1st round picks doesn't stack up to what NJ is offering? DEN wouldn't have been interested in a D Lee + future draft picks deal for Melo? there were all sorts of options available to us had we not rushed to push in our chips before the summer even hit & we even knew what Lebron's intentions were.
i've gone through the numbers many times already... the salary cap this year is set to $58M... that means we would have had $29.8M in cap space had DW not made the T-Mac trade, enough to easily sign Amare to his contract & more than enough flexibility leftover to swing a D Lee S&T... after making that trade we not only missed out on Lebron, Wade & Bosh, but now because we made that trade, we also may have lost out on Melo too.
David Lee had a 10.5 mill cap hold, right? (His salary this year is 10.8 mill though) We still would have had to clear an additional 2-3 million in order to S&T Lee. This was gone into into detail on realgm, I don't have the exact figures.
So, we would have essentially lost Lee for nothing, no Randolph here to trade for Melo (which I don't want to do anyway.)
In my (current) scenario giving up Curry, Gallo, Chandler, picks and probably more would leave us gutted. (I gave two scenarios in my last post and wasn't clear on that)
I am just worried, as many are, that Melo doesn't make those around him better nor play defense. Now, Gallo is clearly not at Melo's level but he plays much better D and has more BBIQ. Melo was on a stacked team and couldn't get by an undermanned Utah team.
This is wrong.
1) The DLee trade was made before the July moratorium ended, so in all reality, we could've pulled off the DLee trade first, then signed Amare -- without any real worry about his cap hold. We took less salary back in that trade.
2) We had about $7M in extra cap space before the Jeffries/TMac trade...but that was at the low projected cap numbers. No one expected the cap to go up another $2M, and that extra room would have cleared David Lee's cap hold.
3) Even then, would it really have been that difficult to clear Jordan Hill's $2.5M in the summer? I'm sure some team would've bit.
So the real trade comes down to Jeffries/Hill/2012 1st/2011 1st swap for Felton/Mozgov...and anyway you slice it, that's an awful deal in hindsight. It really was 2 max stars or bust.
