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What are the odds that Mosgov is even close to as good as Barron?
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TheGame
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8/31/2010  12:02 PM
Mozgov can catch and dunk. The question is can he block shots as a help defender and does he have any post moves. Right now all I can see is that the kid can actually catch a ball and dunk and knows how to roll to the basket, and seems to pay attention of defense. Beyond that, he remains a question mark.
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9/2/2010  12:45 PM
Mozgov looks great against Greece and Bid Sofo so far!!! He does a little bit of everything. Scoring (mostly with dunks of the pnr but also showing a nice touch from the corners and even a great dunk after a nimble dribble penetration), blocking shots and even some nice passing. I really like how active he is on both sides of the court. He def. will get into foul trouble on some nights as he will go after every block in the low post but after watching Lee as our last line of defence for so long I really cant blame him for that!
I really hope D'Antonie will play the big fella! He is very agile for a 7'1 center and I think he'll fit in well with our team!!!
After watching him for some stretch of games against good international competition I do think he was a good pick up by Walsh!
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9/2/2010  1:52 PM
dodger78 wrote:Mozgov looks great against Greece and Bid Sofo so far!!! He does a little bit of everything. Scoring (mostly with dunks of the pnr but also showing a nice touch from the corners and even a great dunk after a nimble dribble penetration), blocking shots and even some nice passing. I really like how active he is on both sides of the court. He def. will get into foul trouble on some nights as he will go after every block in the low post but after watching Lee as our last line of defence for so long I really cant blame him for that!
I really hope D'Antonie will play the big fella! He is very agile for a 7'1 center and I think he'll fit in well with our team!!!
After watching him for some stretch of games against good international competition I do think he was a good pick up by Walsh!

If he turns out to be a quality 7 footer--then his value at 3mm is worth far more than the FA $

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9/2/2010  2:55 PM
Timo has a great shot to be able to contribute because of all the attention our other players will get. He's gonna be able to slip in and get a lot of easy dunks and layups. His aggression will be rewarded by MDA. That's all he wanted from Darko, but he played timid. One thing you want to do with Mike is show aggression.
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9/2/2010  11:19 PM
nixluva wrote:Timo has a great shot to be able to contribute because of all the attention our other players will get. He's gonna be able to slip in and get a lot of easy dunks and layups. His aggression will be rewarded by MDA. That's all he wanted from Darko, but he played timid. One thing you want to do with Mike is show aggression.
I don't know what happened with D'Antoni and Darko but prior to Darko getting 46 dnps coach's decison in 53 games he was a good role player. Once he left he averaged 8 pts 5 rebs and over a block a game. I don't think it had anything to do with aggressiveness in practice. I think both guys might be to blame but D'Antoni's philosphy is that bigs slow down his offense. He also did not play the rookies last year despite the team winning just 29 games. I think that with this coach Timofey doesn't crack the rotation.
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9/3/2010  10:43 AM
The more I look @ our roster--the more I realize we could use Barron to fill a role as the back up PF--it would give us quality extra depth and give us the horses to at times match up with teams who go 2 7 big.

I think if we can pull Barron in as FA and move Rautins and a 2014 restricted #1 for Frendandez--I think that is a very suitable bench enhancement along with Mason that I was looking for.

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9/3/2010  11:43 AM

I don't think I've ever seen Barron do this kind of stuff.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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9/3/2010  1:42 PM

Baron knows how to play in the nba and he can hit a jumpshot. Timofey is a prospect and I don't see D'Antoni playing him. Barron may just be a stop gap but he was a very effective player for the Knicks.
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9/3/2010  4:31 PM
CrushAlot wrote:

Baron knows how to play in the nba and he can hit a jumpshot. Timofey is a prospect and I don't see D'Antoni playing him. Barron may just be a stop gap but he was a very effective player for the Knicks.

I think the only advantage Barron had is a bit more experience, but that can quickly be made up for, since it's not like Barron has been in the league ripping it up for years. My thinking is that Timo with some decent minutes will catch on. He's got a bit of a break since there are so few good 7'ers in the NBA anyway. He can kind of float and just be 7'. We know he has the physical gifts and skills to do some NBA level things already, so I don't see how he can't catch on with some time. He'll probably look a bit lost at 1st, but that should improve with time and practice.

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9/3/2010  6:38 PM
I think two different players. Would like to have both--can use Barron as 4 who cans hit to 5 at times as a big who can shoot the mid range shot/rebound/blok shots/ Also give su the ability to play 2 7 footers at times.
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9/3/2010  10:38 PM
Baron doesnt sniff that athleticism. And why are people saying Earl Barron can play in the league? Based on 10 meaningless games at the end of a 50 loss season? Seriously... Mosgov has some pretty impressive tools.
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9/4/2010  10:14 AM
Earl Barron didn't have the defensive presence that the Knicks sorely need. In the 10 games if you guys watched he played very weak defense his help defense was nonexistent and block shots too. Barron was a 7' player in name only. He did hustle and rebounding is all about hustle dove after the ball which was nice to see.
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9/4/2010  10:45 AM
Vmart wrote:Earl Barron didn't have the defensive presence that the Knicks sorely need. In the 10 games if you guys watched he played very weak defense his help defense was nonexistent and block shots too. Barron was a 7' player in name only. He did hustle and rebounding is all about hustle dove after the ball which was nice to see.
thats it in a nutshell... he played hard and he was 7 feet tall. That alone is worth something in the league, but he simply didnt have the phyiscal tools that Mosgov has
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9/4/2010  10:57 AM
Briggs - you didn't pay Mozgov a dime

When Mozgov arrives he deserves the opportunity to fail like any other rookie

The Answer Man likes what he sees in the video clips but November ain't here yet. Will Mozgov embrace the opportunity in New York and will Knicks fans embrace him as a young man in a new country?

I don't care what Berman or any other hack writes about him to fill space. The scouting reports are out the window. Mozgov starts a new life.

The cultural adjustment is one of many that Timofey will need to make quickly. I could care less what his two week paycheck reads so long as he hustles back on defense and understands the prime directive - you suck, you sit.

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10/4/2010  12:11 PM
I couldn't resist

Somewhere Earl Barron is... hey, has anybody actually SEEN Earl Barron?

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10/4/2010  12:39 PM
I think he'll be better this season with us than Barron was last season. Barron has NO presence in the pain and isn't intimidating anyone. You want another big, chose one who can defend better than the man you hated...David Lee.
the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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10/4/2010  12:48 PM
the odds are good
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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10/4/2010  1:11 PM
misterearl wrote:I couldn't resist

Somewhere Earl Barron is... hey, has anybody actually SEEN Earl Barron?

I don't know where he is but we need rebounding help. I don't know many guys are available who nearly had a 20-20 game in the NBA last year--but we need to drop a SF and add a C.

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10/4/2010  2:06 PM
its a rare commodity. There is a reason guys like Dampier and Curry get paid. Athletic 7 footers are like pitchers who can throw 98mph. Someone will always take a chance and if you can hang around long enough someone will always pay.

NBA bigmen flop all the time. Heck I remember how excited (Marv/Jimi/Su phuck off) about Majec Lampe and that summer league he had.

I dont know if Mosgov will stick.

There are some things that I like very much about his chances to be a good NBA player:
His age: At 24 he's got some maturity and isnt a 19 year old kid
His career: He's played real pro ball for awhile as opposed to some over hyped Euro youth leagues
His competition: He's shown he can bang and play with NBA players in the WC
Physical tools: 7'1, fluid and athletic. Great quickness. Closes really fast on help
Skills: looks like a good banger, has some handle, nice fluid jumper. The way he hit that little 12 footer made you think he could do it all day. What a good fit next to Amare

Mosgov will go as far as his heart and work ethic will take him.

The guy he reminds me of is actually Bogut (and not cause they are both white). Good size and quickness to go with a good skill set. Not great anything but good at everything, and when your 7'0 and good at everything you go somethin there.

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What are the odds that Mosgov is even close to as good as Barron?

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