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Andrew
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8/17/2010  2:56 PM
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Andrew wrote:I did a quick check of Gallo's game log and didn't see one game that he took 17 3pt shots.

16, my bad..still dude, if your trying to justify that it's not a high amount of attemps, you would be lying to your self.. I argued that he wasn't just a 3 point shooter, but around the league, and for most non knick fans, thats exactly how they look at him, and what bases do I have to not agree..

Watching the games maybe? What makes someone just a 3 pt shooter? Gallo took 927 shots total with 488 of those from 3pt land. I'd say that makes him more that a 3 pt shooter.

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8/17/2010  3:19 PM
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grillco wrote:If he wants the big three year money, he's not going to be able to demand NY. Denver will want the best deal possible from anywhere in the league. As i stated in my thread, I think the Knicks were too quick to use the remaining cap space in the Lee and sign and trade and should have been more patient. Chandler or Gallo puls the $$$/trade exemption might have been able to land Melo or CP. Right now their options are limited by who they can actually trade (the new guys either can't be packaged together or traded until December), who they want to trade, and if Denver has any interest in what they have at all. I hope everything works out as I've wanted Melo in the Orange and Blue since he won the championship at 'Cuse (always liked him more than LeBron), but I'd rather the team sign him as a free agent next summer rather than potentially lose Danilo.

The new guys from Golden State can be traded now.

Yes, I was lumping them in with new contract limitations, but as I understand it they Denver guys can not be packaged for a trade...one of the many oddly obscure CBA rules.

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8/17/2010  3:40 PM
rp wrote:I am with Briggs on this one...as he noted, trade on the side of strength. We have rebuilt the team and people want to do go back to the trade assets to get the name. Don't get me wrong, I would love to get Melo to be on the team but seriously he has 1 year left on the contract and whoever gets him still has to work out a new contract. If he really wants NY and not be another big time player using NY to get $$$ he will be.

I like this team--think it will do better than people think. IF at the end of the year we can improve the team--and either Melo or Gasol or even something else is the right piece--great. We have a unique situation here--no need to mess it up because of the Yankee mentality. Even so Yankees usually get their man in offseason FA right? Do they trade Cano's before they hit prime for bigger name--NO they let him develop and now is a star. We have stars on this team who need to develop.

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8/17/2010  3:51 PM
The Knicks are reportedly willing to trade Danilo Gallinari as the centerpiece of a package to acquire Carmelo Anthony.

During his Tuesday show on ESPN Radio in New York, Michael Kay cited sources in reporting that the Knicks will offer Gallinari, a future first-round pick and Eddy Curry in a bid to acquire Carmelo Anthony from Denver.

Curry's contract would be needed to work to make the trade work under the salary cap.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68730/20100817/sources_knicks_will_offer_gallinari_in_package_for_melo/#

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8/17/2010  3:53 PM
iSergio wrote:
The Knicks are reportedly willing to trade Danilo Gallinari as the centerpiece of a package to acquire Carmelo Anthony.

During his Tuesday show on ESPN Radio in New York, Michael Kay cited sources in reporting that the Knicks will offer Gallinari, a future first-round pick and Eddy Curry in a bid to acquire Carmelo Anthony from Denver.

Curry's contract would be needed to work to make the trade work under the salary cap.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68730/20100817/sources_knicks_will_offer_gallinari_in_package_for_melo/#

RealGM siting Kay who prob read Newsday article which was just one author's opinion.

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8/17/2010  3:58 PM
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:
The Knicks are reportedly willing to trade Danilo Gallinari as the centerpiece of a package to acquire Carmelo Anthony.

During his Tuesday show on ESPN Radio in New York, Michael Kay cited sources in reporting that the Knicks will offer Gallinari, a future first-round pick and Eddy Curry in a bid to acquire Carmelo Anthony from Denver.

Curry's contract would be needed to work to make the trade work under the salary cap.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68730/20100817/sources_knicks_will_offer_gallinari_in_package_for_melo/#

RealGM siting Kay who prob read Newsday article which was just one author's opinion.

NO WAY!!!

That would SUCK!!

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8/17/2010  4:03 PM
Well, take it for what it's worth (probably not much!):

The Knicks are reportedly willing to trade Danilo Gallinari as the centerpiece of a package to acquire Carmelo Anthony.

During his Tuesday show on ESPN Radio in New York, Michael Kay cited sources in reporting that the Knicks will offer Gallinari, a future first-round pick and Eddy Curry in a bid to acquire Carmelo Anthony from Denver.

Curry's contract would be needed to work to make the trade work under the salary cap.


http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68730/20100817/sources_knicks_will_offer_gallinari_in_package_for_melo/


I don't think we trade any more first round picks for the foreseeable future- since we swap in 2011, and have given away the 2012, baring in mind that you can't trade them outright 2 years in a row, I think that means the earliest pick we could give would be 2014- that's after the 4th year of Amar'e contract, which is the risky year- we need to keep our picks just as a precaution, as if his knee does flare up, or he begins to break down (not out of the question, baring in mind the Suns had his medical records and refused to guarantee the 4th and 5th years), then we need some sort of security or contingency plan, especially if the team stunk without him. So from now on I oppose any trade that gives up any of our 1st rounders.

I've been mulling over this all day, and I think the only player I'd give up is Chandler, and thats not because I have a low opinion of him, it's just there would be no place on the team for him with Carmelo, plus curry and Walker. Of course the Nuggets are in denial mode right now and would hang up the phone- heck, they probably think Gallo is no where near what they deserve. I laughed when I read that they requested the 'KG framework' (even though I have no idea what Tommy Dee means by that- I don't think he does either as he's neve clarified it!)- so yeah, like Briggs said, f*** them. I'd like Carmelo on the team, but only if we didn't give up much to get him- he's not as sure a thing like Lebron was, so I'm happy to take the risk of us not getting him in free agency, plus like I said earlier, I'm uncomfortable signing a second player to a max deal before we know what the new CBA is. And I like Gallo- I want to see him and AR develop as players over this season.

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8/17/2010  4:03 PM
iSergio wrote:Danilo Gallinari or Anthony Randolph? Donnie Walsh and co. need to make a decision because one of them will go to Denver in a trade. You're not getting Carmelo Anthony for Wilson Chandler and Toney Douglas or Bill Walker.

I'd keep Randolph - I think he would be a better complement to Amar'e Stoudemire and Melo than Gallo would.

I disagree completely ........

Gallo would spread floor much better along side Melo and Amre

Randolph has similar game as Melo as far as where he scores from!!

Gallo shoots 3's better then anyone of these guys hands down!!

This system likes shooters!!

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8/17/2010  4:12 PM
I'll take Anthony Randolph's shotblocking, rebounding and athleticism over Danilo Gallinari's shooting.

And Kelenna Azubuike is the best shooter on this team.

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8/17/2010  4:27 PM
'Kay gonna say, not really a Beck fan but even a blind squirrel....
just to remind you guys a bit of who had some light in the dim darkness of last season

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/gallinari-and-douglas-give-knicks-hope/

Re-read and re-think this. There may be more value long-term in both Gallinari and Douglas than
these high priced guys. Gallo got stronger as the year progressed. And he has heart and fire.
There are some real thought provoking stats in that month of March. These two help spread the
floor. Play too far off them they take the 3 and nail it at a high rate. makes the middle less crowded
and easier for Amar'e/AR

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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8/17/2010  4:29 PM
iSergio wrote:I'll take Anthony Randolph's shotblocking, rebounding and athleticism over Danilo Gallinari's shooting.

And Kelenna Azubuike is the best shooter on this team.

I must admit, as much as I liked gallo last season and as much as I'm hoping he'll develop, I do live in fear that he'll turn out to be like Channing Frye- most people thought he was a star in the making after his rookie year, he even had more of an attitude back then like Gallo, with the occasional nasty dunk- and didn't IT turn down a trade with the Lakers (can't remember who for, but I think it was someone good).

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8/17/2010  4:30 PM
smackeddog wrote:
iSergio wrote:I'll take Anthony Randolph's shotblocking, rebounding and athleticism over Danilo Gallinari's shooting.

And Kelenna Azubuike is the best shooter on this team.

I must admit, as much as I liked gallo last season and as much as I'm hoping he'll develop, I do live in fear that he'll turn out to be like Channing Frye- most people thought he was a star in the making after his rookie year, he even had more of an attitude back then like Gallo, with the occasional nasty dunk- and didn't IT turn down a trade with the Lakers (can't remember who for, but I think it was someone good).

If you say for Bynum, BRIGGS might have a heart attack.

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8/17/2010  4:55 PM
I for one would hate to see the Knicks trade away Gallo, even if that does end up netting Carmelo.

For once I would like to see the Knicks have some home grown talent and stick with the players who have originated on the team. It's been too long that the Knicks have had a player who has grown up in the NYK system and the team has made it clear that they intend on keeping that player. David Lee is gone, at least lets keep Gallo around rather than continually send away the players we have drafted.

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8/17/2010  5:12 PM
kingofelpaso wrote:I for one would hate to see the Knicks trade away Gallo, even if that does end up netting Carmelo.

For once I would like to see the Knicks have some home grown talent and stick with the players who have originated on the team. It's been too long that the Knicks have had a player who has grown up in the NYK system and the team has made it clear that they intend on keeping that player. David Lee is gone, at least lets keep Gallo around rather than continually send away the players we have drafted.

I don't care if you like Melo or not. It would be a complete disservice to the Knicks and their fanbase to not pull that trigger. Gallo is not even in Melos league, and I'm a huge Gallo fan!

Come on guys, use your heads a little bit. I don't care if he's home grown talent. If you can trade Lee for Anthony Randolph, then you can trade Gallo for Melo. No ifs or buts. The guy is a superstar. Gallo isn't.

“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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8/17/2010  5:14 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
kingofelpaso wrote:I for one would hate to see the Knicks trade away Gallo, even if that does end up netting Carmelo.

For once I would like to see the Knicks have some home grown talent and stick with the players who have originated on the team. It's been too long that the Knicks have had a player who has grown up in the NYK system and the team has made it clear that they intend on keeping that player. David Lee is gone, at least lets keep Gallo around rather than continually send away the players we have drafted.

I don't care if you like Melo or not. It would be a complete disservice to the Knicks and their fanbase to not pull that trigger. Gallo is not even in Melos league, and I'm a huge Gallo fan!

Come on guys, use your heads a little bit. I don't care if he's home grown talent. If you can trade Lee for Anthony Randolph, then you can trade Gallo for Melo. No ifs or buts. The guy is a superstar. Gallo isn't.

THANK YOU!!

Nobody is going to care or remember Danilo Gallinari when we're winning 55 games and sending the Miami cHeat home every year with Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire.

I bet some fans here would prefer to have David Lee and Gallo and win 35 games then have Melo and Stat and win 55.

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8/17/2010  5:27 PM
Jon Rothstein on 1050 just nailed it right now - there is perspective and reality with Danilo Gallinari. Perspective - some think he's 3/4 of the way to Dirk Nowitzki. Reality - he's played only 1 year and averaged 15/5 on a 29 win team.

Michael Kay also says he's heard from members within the Knicks organization that they are convinced Carmelo Anthony will be a Knick.

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8/17/2010  5:35 PM
BRIGGS wrote:See Denver has strength right now--they have the time to make teams ante up. What could happen is you could deplete your self so badly--that even with Anthony and Stoudemire--you could be very weak in terms of cap and picks to put a team together. Remember Denver hasnt won sht with a LOADED team.

That's my concern as well. Hope Melo stays in Denver but it doesn't look like thats going to happen unless Melo makes it clear that he
would only be a one year rental to whatever team he goes to. Denver would have to find a very friendly destination for him to stay beyond a year.

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8/17/2010  5:37 PM
iSergio wrote:
The Knicks are reportedly willing to trade Danilo Gallinari as the centerpiece of a package to acquire Carmelo Anthony.

During his Tuesday show on ESPN Radio in New York, Michael Kay cited sources in reporting that the Knicks will offer Gallinari, a future first-round pick and Eddy Curry in a bid to acquire Carmelo Anthony from Denver.

Curry's contract would be needed to work to make the trade work under the salary cap.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68730/20100817/sources_knicks_will_offer_gallinari_in_package_for_melo/#

I love Gallo as much as the next guy but man how do you not pull the trigger on that one?

I dont really WANT to do that trade. I'm the guy who thinks this team wins 45-48 games this year. I'm the guy who thinks a Gallo/AR/Amare frontcourt has title caliber team potential.

One in the hand is worth 2 in the bush though... man if that trade is on the table how do you walk away from that?

If its me I'm not doing anything right now. I think that trio can be a special frontcourt with some time. I'm on the lookout for a great SG who can lock guys down and bury the 3. I want the next Raja Bell. SG is our weakness right now

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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8/17/2010  5:39 PM
iSergio wrote:Jon Rothstein on 1050 just nailed it right now - there is perspective and reality with Danilo Gallinari. Perspective - some think he's 3/4 of the way to Dirk Nowitzki. Reality - he's played only 1 year and averaged 15/5 on a 29 win team.

Michael Kay also says he's heard from members within the Knicks organization that they are convinced Carmelo Anthony will be a Knick.

I think he may be also... next year when we make him out summer of 2011. Meet your new SG
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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8/17/2010  5:40 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:See Denver has strength right now--they have the time to make teams ante up. What could happen is you could deplete your self so badly--that even with Anthony and Stoudemire--you could be very weak in terms of cap and picks to put a team together. Remember Denver hasnt won sht with a LOADED team.

That's my concern as well. Hope Melo stays in Denver but it doesn't look like thats going to happen unless Melo makes it clear that he
would only be a one year rental to whatever team he goes to. Denver would have to find a very friendly destination for him to stay beyond a year.

There is only four, friendly destination as of now for Melo. NY Knicks, NJ Nets, LA Lakers, LA Clippers remember he is moving from Denver for his wife's career.

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