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8/9/2010  11:24 AM
AnubisADL wrote:I wouldnt mind seeing Isiah coach these young guys. Guys like Jermaine O'neal loved him. He seems to co-exist with the young guys better.

Are you being sarcastic..actual to some extent your right, but this whole thing stinks to high hell,and for the few postives you can say about IT, the negative clearly out weighs it by extrodinary measures.

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8/9/2010  11:27 AM
He isn't coming back as a consultant he will become the GM in two years. This fat prick owner for whatever reason enjoyed losing hundreds of millions and becoming the worst franchise in the NBA. He loves being an ******* and he loves Isiah, don't ask me why.

But, if Walsh wasn't allowed to hire Mullin to be the GM that's all you need to know how serious this is for the Knicks franchise. Dolan is just waiting for the perfect time to allow Isiah to come back when the knicks are relevant. He went over Donnies head with Lebron and made him publically thank Isiah and now this.

You have to believe that Isiah will be credited with Paul or Melo if and when it happens. This franchise like the Mets will never win anything in most of our lifetime because of the braintrust

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8/9/2010  11:34 AM
MS wrote:He isn't coming back as a consultant he will become the GM in two years. This fat prick owner for whatever reason enjoyed losing hundreds of millions and becoming the worst franchise in the NBA. He loves being an ******* and he loves Isiah, don't ask me why.

But, if Walsh wasn't allowed to hire Mullin to be the GM that's all you need to know how serious this is for the Knicks franchise. Dolan is just waiting for the perfect time to allow Isiah to come back when the knicks are relevant. He went over Donnies head with Lebron and made him publically thank Isiah and now this.

You have to believe that Isiah will be credited with Paul or Melo if and when it happens. This franchise like the Mets will never win anything in most of our lifetime because of the braintrust

great post.. but actually, we have to be worse than the mets. I am not sure they would be this dumb to bring back someone who ruined their franchise..

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8/9/2010  11:37 AM
I couldn't deal with Isiah back running things. Like many of you I've been a fan for decades. Isiah coming back
just in time to run a promising team into the ground would cement this franchise as the biggest embarrassment in pro sports,
anywhere. If it were just about fielding bad teams it would be one thing, but its more than that. Bringing back possibly the
worst executive in NBA history to run the team again would be the last straw for me. No one has brought more shame to this
franchise with the exception of Dolan. Isiah as GM would show that the Knicks are owned by a juvenile. Mature people don't do
things like this.

Hope the backlash (and Stern) will make Dolan think twice about Thomas as GM. If it doesn't I won't be rewarding that type
of behavior by staying a fan, life is too short.

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8/9/2010  11:40 AM
Talk about the perfect way to throw cold water on whatever excitement there was going into this
season finally being RID of the stench of Isiah. For the first time in many years, I was actually hopeful!
Thanks Dolan. Go **** yerself.
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8/9/2010  11:43 AM
The Knicks have become one of the most dysfunctional pro teams in all sports running a close second to the Oakland Raiders!
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8/9/2010  11:43 AM
What kills me is all this complaining when Walsh has pretty much did nothing the last 2 years and struck out this summer. Isiah signed guys to deals they didnt deserve. Other than that he wasnt that bad. Now I can only hope he has learned to not to overpay for guys with talent and zero heart.
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8/9/2010  11:46 AM
AnubisADL wrote:What kills me is all this complaining when Walsh has pretty much did nothing the last 2 years and struck out this summer. Isiah signed guys to deals they didnt deserve. Other than that he wasnt that bad. Now I can only hope he has learned to not to overpay for guys with talent and zero heart.

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8/9/2010  11:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/9/2010  11:59 AM
AnubisADL wrote:What kills me is all this complaining when Walsh has pretty much did nothing the last 2 years and struck out this summer. Isiah signed guys to deals they didnt deserve. Other than that he wasnt that bad. Now I can only hope he has learned to not to overpay for guys with talent and zero heart.

Are you for real?
First of all "signing guys to deals they didn't deserve" is not the only bad thing he did.
However, that's the only thing he was supposed to do right!
Signing guys to deals they didn't deserve (I'll assume you also include trading away assets for
guys ALREADY signed to deals they didn't deserve, which means he got fleeced in every deal)
is EXACTLY what makes somebody a bad GM.

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8/9/2010  11:57 AM
AnubisADL wrote:What kills me is all this complaining when Walsh has pretty much did nothing the last 2 years and struck out this summer. Isiah signed guys to deals they didnt deserve. Other than that he wasnt that bad. Now I can only hope he has learned to not to overpay for guys with talent and zero heart.

Holfresh, is that you?

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8/9/2010  12:00 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Isiah signed guys to deals they didnt deserve. Other than that he wasnt that bad.

Isn't that like saying "Bernie Madoff defrauded thousands of investors of billions of dollars, but other than that he wasn't that bad of a stock broker."

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8/9/2010  12:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/9/2010  12:03 PM
I know this girl that does nothing but cheat on her boyfriend. She's constantly cheating. Other than that, she's not that bad of a girlfriend.
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8/9/2010  12:03 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:I know this girl that does nothing but cheat on her boyfriend. She's constantly cheating. Other than that, she's a great girlfriend.

can i get her number?

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8/9/2010  12:04 PM
Panos wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:What kills me is all this complaining when Walsh has pretty much did nothing the last 2 years and struck out this summer. Isiah signed guys to deals they didnt deserve. Other than that he wasnt that bad. Now I can only hope he has learned to not to overpay for guys with talent and zero heart.

Are you for real?
First of all "signing guys to deals they didn't deserve" is not the only bad thing he did.
However, that's the only thing he was supposed to do right!
Signing guys to deals they didn't deserve (I'll assume you also include trading away assets for
guys ALREADY signed to deals they didn't deserve, which means he got fleeced in every deal)
is EXACTLY what makes somebody a bad GM.

Isiah overpaid for guys to come here. Walsh overpaid for Amare to come here. When Amare is sitting on the bench rubbing those knees wont be many smiles.

Dolan's goal is to keep fans in the seats every year. No rebuilding. Regardless I will be watching just like the rest.

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8/9/2010  12:05 PM
Well she and I are partaking in a couple of threesomes the next couple of nights, and then she has to be a good girlfriend. After that, I'll give it to her.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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8/9/2010  12:06 PM
tkf wrote:
Vmart wrote:
tkf wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Dolan owns this team--he can do what he wants--this isnt a democracy and he doesnt give a F what anyone says.

so you are ok with this briggs... lets see how you feel when the knicks trade Anthony randolph, gallo and two future first round picks for Rashard lewis, and JJ reddick.... typical Isiah move....

This is overreaction to something that Isiah has no authority for. A consultant does not make the deal. Besides all GMs have a deal where they look bad on even Walsh. How many here are still not over the T-Mac deal.

really? why is he even back when your prez of operations and others in the organization protested him comming back? If walsh quits or retires you can bet this snake becomes GM.. at which point, as a fan of 30+ years.. I am done!


If the reports about Walsh's reaction are true, I'm a bit disturbed, and as I said above- Where there's smoke, there's fire- but how much of what we read is true? Do any people have reasons to put out disinformation? We still have no officially named sources, and I would like to see who the source(s) for the stories are.

It would seem that there is a power play going on in the Knicks organizational hierarchy. Maybe some folks are putting out disinforation in an attempt to preempt an Isiah return to power by stirring up the fan base, since they know Donnie is going to deny everything even if it is the truth.

Then again, maybe the stories are all true, and the sky truly is falling...

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8/9/2010  12:06 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Panos wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:What kills me is all this complaining when Walsh has pretty much did nothing the last 2 years and struck out this summer. Isiah signed guys to deals they didnt deserve. Other than that he wasnt that bad. Now I can only hope he has learned to not to overpay for guys with talent and zero heart.

Are you for real?
First of all "signing guys to deals they didn't deserve" is not the only bad thing he did.
However, that's the only thing he was supposed to do right!
Signing guys to deals they didn't deserve (I'll assume you also include trading away assets for
guys ALREADY signed to deals they didn't deserve, which means he got fleeced in every deal)
is EXACTLY what makes somebody a bad GM.

Isiah overpaid for guys to come here. Walsh overpaid for Amare to come here. When Amare is sitting on the bench rubbing those knees wont be many smiles.

Dolan's goal is to keep fans in the seats every year. No rebuilding. Regardless I will be watching just like the rest.

Amar'es career has gone on perfectly fine, no knee problems, since his surgery.

“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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8/9/2010  12:06 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Well she and I are partaking in a couple of threesomes the next couple of nights, and then she has to be a good girlfriend. After that, I'll give it to her.

surprise dude. jimi's IN your threesome.

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8/9/2010  12:08 PM
Marv wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Well she and I are partaking in a couple of threesomes the next couple of nights, and then she has to be a good girlfriend. After that, I'll give it to her.

surprise dude. jimi's IN your threesome.

Whoa. She said it was with another chick. Jimi, is there something we don't know about you?

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8/9/2010  12:09 PM
AnubisADL wrote:What kills me is all this complaining when Walsh has pretty much did nothing the last 2 years and struck out this summer. Isiah signed guys to deals they didnt deserve. Other than that he wasnt that bad. Now I can only hope he has learned to not to overpay for guys with talent and zero heart.

IT's main flaw was that he absolutely could not build a cohesive team- look, he tried having a backcourt of Marbury and Steve Francis, who are essentially the same player- how the heck could that have remotely worked? Then he tried a front court of Eddy Curry and Zach Randolph- both are front court players who don't play defense and just got in each others way on offense. He was incapable of forming a clear plan and following it through- every time he announced one plan, he suddenly saw some new opportunity and went chasing after it instead. To make matters worse every move he made was a gamble and he had no exit startagy for any move that didn't work- they all involved getting huge contracts that ran for many years. What happened then, was we were either stuck with the cap clogging contract (Jerome james, Jared Jeffries), or we moved them for an even longer contract for an equally dubious aquisition (Steve Francis for Zach Randolph). I appreciate you have to gamble as GM and if it works out you look great and if it doesn't you look like a moron (as Walsh's Lebron gamble demonstrated), but you need some sort of exit strategy or back up plan or way out in case the gamble fails.

Walsh's strength is that he CAN build a cohesive team (hopefully we'll see this, this season!) with players that fit together and play defense, and he CAN stick to plan regardless of any temptations along the way AND he has exit strategies and contingency plans, as this off season showed when we failed to get Lebron or Wade or Bosh. Walsh isn't perfect, his draft record is only average, he wanted to make Chris Mullen our new GM and he wanted to sign Joe Johnson to a ridiculous contract this offseason, which we were only spared because Atlanta offered an even more ridiculous contract.

Even if IT came back having learnt to protect picks, not sign players to ridiculous contracts etc etc, he has no credibility with other GMs or agents- they will all look to screw him and only make unfair offers because they think he'll bite- you can't be a GM once the rest of the league thinks you're a fool.

What worries me is having him as an advisor means he's going to want to prove himself, to justify a promotion. Carmelo would probably come to us regardless, however IT is close to CP, so thats what he's going to focus on this year. What's bad about this is that New Orleans is in a strong bargaining position, so expect IT to broker an IT style trade in which we give up all our young talent galore to get CP (which some of you will be pleased about no doubt)- probably including Gallo, Randolph, Chandler etc.

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