iSergio wrote:You can win an NBA Championship with Carmelo Anthony as your best player. Case closed.

he has done this? when he does, then case closed.

sidsanders wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:why is everyone ragging on melo for not being a bigtime playoff player or a clutch player? yeah denver lost in the playoffs in this year, but what else was melo supposed to do? he averaged 31ppg on 46% shooting along with 9rpg... i mean come on. and oh yeah, i remember reading a stat not long ago that melo led the league in both 4th quarter buzzer beaters as well as shots-made that gave your team the lead within the last 2 minutes of a game.

come on now, let's try and be realistic here.

elite status comes from post season success in my view. thats why jordan/bird/magic/kobe/russell/etc get the most accolades. take away jordans titles and he becomes dominique. "human highlight real" was great to watch, however he ended up outside looking in.

i dont think folks are giving anthony a hard time on stats or reg season games. you gotta do something in the playoffs at some point. even without help, time and folks are not forgiving. will folks compare mcgrady to kobe -- reg season they have some interesting matchups. post season kobe >>> tmac.

every single one of those players you mentioned played with another top20 player of all-time.. who has Melo played with? i'm not raggin on billups because he's a tough player but cmon but who else is melo playing with like those guys have played with?

TMS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Melo hasn't played with another super star ever

whatchootalkinboutwillis?

Don't know if the numbers will bear this out but I wonder if the writer doesn't consider
Iverson to have been an elite player because of all the shots he jacked up over his career?

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Elite Players in the NBA (IMHO):

Timofey Mosgov
Kobe
LeDouche
DWade
Dirk
Durant
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Nash
Dwight Howard
Duncan
KG from a few years back

? marks on: Melo, Rondo, Granger, Pierce, Joe Johnson

I would say it's not crazy to include the ? mark guys in the bottom tier of Elite Players

I think a better discussion would focus on whether a guy is in the top X% at his position or age group or even
top X% in the league.

There are about 400-450 guys in the NBA. As of April 2010 there were 432

Top 1% = top 4-5 guys
Top 5% = top 21 guys

To me, top 5% = elite. Which means Melo is elite cuz i can't name 20 guys better than him in the league. I think...

Corrected.

EwingsGlass wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Elite Players in the NBA (IMHO):

Timofey Mosgov
Kobe
LeDouche
DWade
Dirk
Durant
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Nash
Dwight Howard
Duncan
KG from a few years back

? marks on: Melo, Rondo, Granger, Pierce, Joe Johnson

I would say it's not crazy to include the ? mark guys in the bottom tier of Elite Players

I think a better discussion would focus on whether a guy is in the top X% at his position or age group or even
top X% in the league.

There are about 400-450 guys in the NBA. As of April 2010 there were 432

Top 1% = top 4-5 guys
Top 5% = top 21 guys

To me, top 5% = elite. Which means Melo is elite cuz i can't name 20 guys better than him in the league. I think...

Corrected.

Dammit. How could I overlook Drago? Sorry..I can't think of any other nickname.

I would like him to challenge someone at this point and say "I will break him." with a straight face

nyk4ever wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:why is everyone ragging on melo for not being a bigtime playoff player or a clutch player? yeah denver lost in the playoffs in this year, but what else was melo supposed to do? he averaged 31ppg on 46% shooting along with 9rpg... i mean come on. and oh yeah, i remember reading a stat not long ago that melo led the league in both 4th quarter buzzer beaters as well as shots-made that gave your team the lead within the last 2 minutes of a game.

come on now, let's try and be realistic here.

elite status comes from post season success in my view. thats why jordan/bird/magic/kobe/russell/etc get the most accolades. take away jordans titles and he becomes dominique. "human highlight real" was great to watch, however he ended up outside looking in.

i dont think folks are giving anthony a hard time on stats or reg season games. you gotta do something in the playoffs at some point. even without help, time and folks are not forgiving. will folks compare mcgrady to kobe -- reg season they have some interesting matchups. post season kobe >>> tmac.

every single one of those players you mentioned played with another top20 player of all-time.. who has Melo played with? i'm not raggin on billups because he's a tough player but cmon but who else is melo playing with like those guys have played with?

what are you gonna do though. same can be said for wilkens, barkely, our own in ewing... in the end fair or not, thats the way folks seem to be judged (i realize im doing it and its just my view of how it goes). he still has time though to either play with better guys or just flat out dominate. i think kd may over take him though.

crzymdups wrote:

tj23 wrote:He's effecient enough. Please. This is stupid

agreed. but, hey, if ESPN is already slamming melo, they must think he's coming to the knicks.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's Kobe, Durant, Lebron (Wade as well I guess, just to shut Marv up lol)....and then there's everyone else.

Melo is great, but he's not ELITE.