egelband wrote:what i was trying to say was, i don't see chandler as part of the two guard mix in an ideal situation. i think the knicks also see this and will try to fill out the backcourt with 'buike, mason, and, maybe one of the second rounders. douglas and felton will handle the point. my two cents obviously...

i don't think the Knicks do either, which is why i think he's going to be traded any day now... but give me a choice between playing Wilson out of position at the 2 or a guy like Roger Mason or Kelenna Azabuike, i'd take Wilson every time... he's simply a better player than either of those guys, he defends, blocks shots, can post up smaller defenders, finish with the best of them & excel on the fastbreak, all things we are looking for in any player... i don't see the need for a guy like Mason unless, like i said, a trade is made... i think Donnie must have something in the works cuz otherwise i don't see the point.

TMS wrote:

egelband wrote:what i was trying to say was, i don't see chandler as part of the two guard mix in an ideal situation. i think the knicks also see this and will try to fill out the backcourt with 'buike, mason, and, maybe one of the second rounders. douglas and felton will handle the point. my two cents obviously...

i don't think the Knicks do either, which is why i think he's going to be traded any day now... but give me a choice between playing Wilson out of position at the 2 or a guy like Roger Mason or Kelenna Azabuike, i'd take Wilson every time... he's simply a better player than either of those guys, he defends, blocks shots, can post up smaller defenders, finish with the best of them & excel on the fastbreak, all things we are looking for in any player... i don't see the need for a guy like Mason unless, like i said, a trade is made... i think Donnie must have something in the works cuz otherwise i don't see the point.

Mason is a shooter and a pure SG. Chandler is none of those things.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

TMS wrote:

egelband wrote:what i was trying to say was, i don't see chandler as part of the two guard mix in an ideal situation. i think the knicks also see this and will try to fill out the backcourt with 'buike, mason, and, maybe one of the second rounders. douglas and felton will handle the point. my two cents obviously...

i don't think the Knicks do either, which is why i think he's going to be traded any day now... but give me a choice between playing Wilson out of position at the 2 or a guy like Roger Mason or Kelenna Azabuike, i'd take Wilson every time... he's simply a better player than either of those guys, he defends, blocks shots, can post up smaller defenders, finish with the best of them & excel on the fastbreak, all things we are looking for in any player... i don't see the need for a guy like Mason unless, like i said, a trade is made... i think Donnie must have something in the works cuz otherwise i don't see the point.

Mason is a shooter and a pure SG. Chandler is none of those things.

Anthony Roberson is a shooter too... what's that got to do with anything? i'd rather play the guy who will score more points & be the better player on the floor.

You're comparing Anthony Roberson to Roger Mason?

no... i'm debating your faulty logic of choosing 1 player over a superior one just because he's a "pure shooter" as you labelled him.

egelband wrote:i think the knicks have a little money to spend this year so are trying to catch lightning in a bottle at the sg position. little risk and possibly high reward for a guy with a chip on his shoulder...if it doesn't work out, no worries.

we wasted way too much money on Masgov--what the heck has he done to be paid that much? I think we couldve got a nice player that was proven for the 5+mm instead we got Mosgov and Mason Jr--was that good money spent?

BRIGGS wrote:

egelband wrote:i think the knicks have a little money to spend this year so are trying to catch lightning in a bottle at the sg position. little risk and possibly high reward for a guy with a chip on his shoulder...if it doesn't work out, no worries.

we wasted way too much money on Masgov--what the heck has he done to be paid that much? I think we couldve got a nice player that was proven for the 5+mm instead we got Mosgov and Mason Jr--was that good money spent?

Yes, because Mozgov needed a big deal to buy out his contract with his team. Anyway, his deal is un-guaranteed the next 2 years so who cares? We haven't even seen what he's about so why complain? He could be good. We don't know.

And Roger Mason for that contract is a really good signing.

BRIGGS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

egelband wrote:i think the knicks have a little money to spend this year so are trying to catch lightning in a bottle at the sg position. little risk and possibly high reward for a guy with a chip on his shoulder...if it doesn't work out, no worries.

we wasted way too much money on Masgov--what the heck has he done to be paid that much? I think we couldve got a nice player that was proven for the 5+mm instead we got Mosgov and Mason Jr--was that good money spent?

Yes, because Mozgov needed a big deal to buy out his contract with his team. Anyway, his deal is un-guaranteed the next 2 years so who cares? We haven't even seen what he's about so why complain? He could be good. We don't know.

And Roger Mason for that contract is a really good signing.

I wouldve rather not spent the 5mm to be honest. I couldve been opportunitstic with it

i would have chased Anthony Morrow with that $5M. ah well.

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:we wasted way too much money on Masgov--what the heck has he done to be paid that much? I think we couldve got a nice player that was proven for the 5+mm instead we got Mosgov and Mason Jr--was that good money spent?

didn't you want us to sign up Kyrylo Fesenko to a longterm deal at similar money? (or was that Kostas Koufos?) what has Fesenko or Koufos done to warrant that type of money that Mozgov hasn't?

no i said 3 years 4mm not 3 years 10.7mm

to be fair, it's only one year guaranteed. it's basically 1yr $3M with options to retain him. the second and third year are not guaranteed.

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crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:we wasted way too much money on Masgov--what the heck has he done to be paid that much? I think we couldve got a nice player that was proven for the 5+mm instead we got Mosgov and Mason Jr--was that good money spent?

didn't you want us to sign up Kyrylo Fesenko to a longterm deal at similar money? (or was that Kostas Koufos?) what has Fesenko or Koufos done to warrant that type of money that Mozgov hasn't?

no i said 3 years 4mm not 3 years 10.7mm

to be fair, it's only one year guaranteed. it's basically 1yr $3M with options to retain him. the second and third year are not guaranteed.

so then it was waste

it was a risk that could pay off. how can you call it a waste before he plays? he's the number one rated center in europe and the second or third highest ranked prospect overall. rik smits, sabonis, divac were all pretty decent. not like there haven't been good centers from europe before.

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:we wasted way too much money on Masgov--what the heck has he done to be paid that much? I think we couldve got a nice player that was proven for the 5+mm instead we got Mosgov and Mason Jr--was that good money spent?

didn't you want us to sign up Kyrylo Fesenko to a longterm deal at similar money? (or was that Kostas Koufos?) what has Fesenko or Koufos done to warrant that type of money that Mozgov hasn't?

no i said 3 years 4mm not 3 years 10.7mm

to be fair, it's only one year guaranteed. it's basically 1yr $3M with options to retain him. the second and third year are not guaranteed.

so then it was waste

it was a risk that could pay off. how can you call it a waste before he plays? he's the number one rated center in europe and the second or third highest ranked prospect overall. rik smits, sabonis, divac were all pretty decent. not like there haven't been good centers from europe before.

Livingston 2 years 10mm 1st year locked.