WindsorPl wrote:

martin wrote:

WindsorPl wrote:

martin wrote:

WindsorPl wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Exactly what would the composition of our roster be if we didn't do the T-Mac trade and somehow still managed to sign Amare (Which I don't think would have been possible at all). Amare, Gallo, Chandler, Jeffries, TD, AR, Turiaf, Buike and Jordan Hill?

That is an interesting question, some cap expert can chime in on this, but I think The Knicks could have done every major they made in the offseason without the Hill trade.
Major move: Amare, Felton and trade Lee for Randolph and filler.
Non major move: signing the russian.
The problem with the Hill trade is the assets it took to clear cap space, it was expensive. Especially when we know Chicago cleared more cap space for less.

Jordan Hill and Jeffries enabled us to get a real PG instead of DuDu

That means Felton was worth Hill + 2 picks? You can get a lot more than that for those assets. And 18 Million (Curry and JJ) is coming off next summer.

hey dude, I think you need to research the cap and salary situation a bit more. Hill + Jefferies was worth $10M in cap space. You can't pull off every major move as you had described before and still have Hill and Jefferies.

The filler did not have to be both Buike and Turiaf, it could have been either or.
They are about 3 mill under, the russian is 3.5 mill, Buike is 3.3 mill = 9.8 mill which is JJ + Hill.

I think that Golden State was OVER the cap at the time and took back David Lee. They have to be close in salaries.

That's the part I am not sure about, did the salaries have to match or not (within 25%)

yes they did, at least on the GSW side.

loweyecue wrote:

TMS wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

TMS wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

TMS wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

TMS wrote:he will be traded

Yes, I think Briggs is right that all these contract talks with shannon Brown and then trade speculation means that sooner or later he will be one. I wish it wasn't so, would love to see him at least get in one full year with this roster and w/o injury issues.

IMO Donnie is in amassing young assets & expiring contracts mode & getting prepared for possible blockbuster deals in the next 2 years... i got nothing against that plan, i think it's a solid plan of action & one that i have been advocating we do for quite some time... i just hope he doesn't let Wilson go with the hope of signing Melo next summer, which to me would be a stupid move to make... you don't give up a player w/Wilson's type of talent unless you know for sure you got the star player coming back in the process, whether that player be CP3, Melo or someone else.

I'm not entirely sure, but I think we'll wind up going about this exactly like we did with D Lee --- say Melo commits to the Knicks, then and only then will Wilson either be involved in the S&T to get him OR simply allowed to expire with no QO extended..I would think that, like Lee, he'll remain under our control up until the point where we either trade him or renouncing him in favor of a committed upgrade...If I'm wrong then my bad but it sounds like you might be thinking another Jordan Hill/Jeffries/picks gamble trade where there's the risk of no immediate/big-time pay off in the end...I envision something closer to the way we handled Lee. Right up until the end, Lee remained an option for us to bring back.

the T-Mac trade is exactly what i want NOT to do... that was a horrible idea from the very beginning... if they're gonna be trading Wilson they better damn well make sure they get back a star talent in the process... no more dealing away assets on a hope & a prayer that some superstar is gonna sign here a year down the road.

Exactly what would the composition of our roster be if we didn't do the T-Mac trade and somehow still managed to sign Amare (Which I don't think would have been possible at all). Amare, Gallo, Chandler, Jeffries, TD, AR, Turiaf, Buike and Jordan Hill? And you would be happier with that team over this? I don't think this is the right way to look at it but it seems to be the accepted way of looking at things here. Jordan Hill and Jeffries enabled us to get a real PG instead of DuDu.

i could care less about Ray Felton... he is only here as a stopgap solution in my view... he's obviously a big upgrade over Duhon, but he's only keeping the position warm til the Knicks can go after either Tony Parker or CP3 in free agency, it's pretty obvious... regardless, we had the cap space to sign both Amare & Ray Felton this summer w/o making the T-Mac trade.

IMO having our draft pick in 2012 & not having given up swap rights for our 2011 (both of which people consistently seem to conveniently leave out whenever these discussions arise) along w/Jordan Hill & another expiring contract in Fishlips could have given DW more pieces to work deals with this summer or at the trade deadline.

That was part of my question how would we pay for Felton and Amar'e without the Hill trade? I don't think we could unless someone shows me the math. Secondly there wouldn't be any talk about CP3/TonyP unless we already had that cap space and assets like Felton. So unless you are implying we could have traded Jeffries/Hill/and one pick for CP3, I don't see your point.

i really don't wanna have to go through all the math again, but basically we had $27M in cap space before the trade... that's more than enough to pay for Amare & Felton's 1st year salaries on the contracts they signed this summer.

& again, like i said i could care less that we got Ray Felton this summer, he's not a piece that's going to factor into our longterm future IMO... & sorry but having Felton on the team has no bearing on the CP3 & Tony Parker rumors cuz he wouldn't have been able to have been used in those deals til Dec. 15th to begin with... if we had ownership of our next 2 1st round picks & another young player w/upside like Hill, you have to think those pieces could have been used as possible sweeteners in trade packages we may have offered this summer... regardless, this is a pointless discussion... just don't make it seem like we gave up nothing to dump Fishlips' contract cuz 1st round picks are valuable commodities to rebuilding teams... this discussion is about Wilson Chandler... the point is i don't want us to throw away young assets like him to dump salary anymore with some dumbass hope that a bigname is going to sign here in a year or 2... unless u have the bird in hand, making trades like that is foolishness.