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Allanfan20
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7/23/2010  2:48 PM
I just don't see why people are obsessed about going balls out for a superstar PG, when we already have a very good PG, and have other positions we need to improve, like shooting guard. Just keep Felton and keep your eyes peeled for a SG instead.
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7/23/2010  2:50 PM
BRIGGS wrote:People are looking at Miami and getting a hrd onnn. We are building a team--maybe Chris Paul one day comes here maybe he does not--who knows. I am confidant that D walsh will be patient with the team we have. Absolute common sense tells you he did not pay Ray Felton 8mm+ because he was interested in giving up the farm for Chris Paul. And all of this talk about what NO will take LOL!!!!!

If Im NO I would ask for Chandler Gallo AR fields every pick I can take --why NOT? I have a two year contract--why would I look for a cheesy deal--I can always trade him somewhere else----they are going to ask for a TON--so forget the fantasy stuff---they want the boat--and that would be the cost---you people are living in fantasy world. NO has ALL of the leverage with a two year contract. If you don't understand that go take a business course. The LONGER it goes on--the less NO deals from a position of strength ++++ we get to see what we have over a long sample of time. EVEN if Chris Paul got traded he ONLY has a 2 year contract

AND lastly I dont see where can Chris Paul guarantees anything!!! If we give up the farm--exactly what do we have left??????? Not happening on so many levels--dont get your panties wet.

People might be saying the same thing with you with AR. Adding Cris Paul is equivalent to NJ Nets when they added Kidd. He makes the team better.

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7/23/2010  2:57 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:I just don't see why people are obsessed about going balls out for a superstar PG, when we already have a very good PG, and have other positions we need to improve, like shooting guard. Just keep Felton and keep your eyes peeled for a SG instead.

+111

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7/23/2010  3:05 PM
Panos wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:I just don't see why people are obsessed about going balls out for a superstar PG, when we already have a very good PG, and have other positions we need to improve, like shooting guard. Just keep Felton and keep your eyes peeled for a SG instead.

+111

agree. looking around the league, shooting guard seems to be the hardest position to fill right now.

there's Kobe, Wade, Joe Johnson and not a whole heck of a lot else at the position.

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7/23/2010  3:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2010  3:18 PM
BRIGGS wrote:We have a pro PG who is going to be able to get the most out of Randolph Gallinari Chandler and than we will have a 22-9 guy inside with Amare. I see so many comparisons to what Phoenix had when they won 60 games. Even Steve Nash's numbers were in the same ballpark as felton before he went there.

The only thing we need is to enhance the bench

I see what you're saying there, but lets hold off on comparing Nash to Felton. Nash had seasons at Dallas where he had a better three point field goal percentage than Felton's regular field goal percentage. Nash also averaged more assists (granted, with more turnovers)than Felton did with the Bobcats and was a much better scorer.

Now, take into account that Chris Paul put up better numbers than Nash without the benefit of a seven second or less offense, and that gives you an idea of just how much of an upgrade Paul is over Felton. We're almost talking about the difference between Melo and Gallinari, using the Rooster's stats from last season.

That said, I'm not sure it's worth giving up Randolph or Gallinari and taking on Emeka's contract. I think it's reasonable to expect that both player will make significant jumps this season and I just don't see how we could add another max player with Emeka's contract bogging us down. An Amar'e/Paul combination still isn't enough to take us to the promised land.

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7/23/2010  3:22 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:I just don't see why people are obsessed about going balls out for a superstar PG, when we already have a very good PG, and have other positions we need to improve, like shooting guard. Just keep Felton and keep your eyes peeled for a SG instead.

Right H20. right now--my focus is how can I enhance this bench. I don't mind keeping cap flexibility but what is wrong with trying to win NOW. I think we can be very good with a very more tweaks. If Gallinari Cahndler Randolp Amare is what I think they can be---I do not know if we even need a superstar enhancement --I mean Ill take it if need be--but there is only 1 basketball. I mean if I could get Igudola Williams Speights and Kapono for Curry Jerome Jordan Douglas 2 1s and 2 2's I would do it. I mean Im willing to go for it now without anyone else that has been mentioned if I can get a deal like this.

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7/23/2010  3:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2010  3:31 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:I just don't see why people are obsessed about going balls out for a superstar PG, when we already have a very good PG, and have other positions we need to improve, like shooting guard. Just keep Felton and keep your eyes peeled for a SG instead.

Right H20. right now--my focus is how can I enhance this bench. I don't mind keeping cap flexibility but what is wrong with trying to win NOW. I think we can be very good with a very more tweaks. If Gallinari Cahndler Randolp Amare is what I think they can be---I do not know if we even need a superstar enhancement --I mean Ill take it if need be--but there is only 1 basketball. I mean if I could get Igudola Williams Speights and Kapono for Curry Jerome Jordan Douglas 2 1s and 2 2's I would do it. I mean Im willing to go for it now without anyone else that has been mentioned if I can get a deal like this.

Briggs, let's not get carried away - I think we have a world of talent, but I think our talent maxes out right now at a 50 win team that can get to the second round.

This team reminds me a lot of the Hubie Brown Grizzlies that won 50 games in 03-04.

Gasol ~ Amare
Mike Miller ~ Gallo
Posey ~ Chandler
Jason Williams ~ Felton
Bonzi Wells ~ Azubuike
Stromile Swift ~ AR
Battier ~ Walker
Earl Watson ~ Toney D
Lorenzen Wright ~ Turiaf
Jake Tsakalidis ~ Mozgov


i think we can be very very good... but without a second all-star/super-star it will be hard to get to the ECF with Boston, Orlando, Miami and Chicago in this conference. heck, it will be hard to get to the second round.

maybe we can be better if AR and Gallo do develop a lot... it's the big question mark about this team. Felton could also take a big step up...

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7/23/2010  3:48 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:I just don't see why people are obsessed about going balls out for a superstar PG, when we already have a very good PG, and have other positions we need to improve, like shooting guard. Just keep Felton and keep your eyes peeled for a SG instead.

Right H20. right now--my focus is how can I enhance this bench. I don't mind keeping cap flexibility but what is wrong with trying to win NOW. I think we can be very good with a very more tweaks. If Gallinari Cahndler Randolp Amare is what I think they can be---I do not know if we even need a superstar enhancement --I mean Ill take it if need be--but there is only 1 basketball. I mean if I could get Igudola Williams Speights and Kapono for Curry Jerome Jordan Douglas 2 1s and 2 2's I would do it. I mean Im willing to go for it now without anyone else that has been mentioned if I can get a deal like this.

If that's a realistic deal, sign me up. Ink Iggy into our SL and we look solid at every position.

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7/23/2010  3:53 PM
Marv wrote:gallo and ar are SO far off from being superstars that this discussion is ridiculous. both have huge holes in their games. they’re young and skilled so could both develop into something, but at this point it is pure speculation. they could both easily become nothing more than journeymen.

Just name me one just one journeyman who avged 15 and 5 as a rookie? All while not being a feature in the offense
thanks largely to players trying to up their own value ...... And not to mention WORST starting PG in the L

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
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7/23/2010  4:02 PM
umynot wrote:
Marv wrote:gallo and ar are SO far off from being superstars that this discussion is ridiculous. both have huge holes in their games. they’re young and skilled so could both develop into something, but at this point it is pure speculation. they could both easily become nothing more than journeymen.

Just name me one just one journeyman who avged 15 and 5 as a rookie? All while not being a feature in the offense
thanks largely to players trying to up their own value ...... And not to mention WORST starting PG in the L

Wow how easy you are swayed with stats, all he has to do is make 3 three pointers and that's 9 points, 6 more points 4 can be from the line and one put back. Cmon man

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7/23/2010  4:03 PM
playa2 wrote:
umynot wrote:
Marv wrote:gallo and ar are SO far off from being superstars that this discussion is ridiculous. both have huge holes in their games. they’re young and skilled so could both develop into something, but at this point it is pure speculation. they could both easily become nothing more than journeymen.

Just name me one just one journeyman who avged 15 and 5 as a rookie? All while not being a feature in the offense
thanks largely to players trying to up their own value ...... And not to mention WORST starting PG in the L

Wow how easy you are swayed with stats, all he has to do is make 3 three pointers and that's 9 points, 6 more points 4 can be from the line and one put back. Cmon man

Then why doesn't everyone do that?

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7/23/2010  4:06 PM
As a pattern since he has arrived The Don has been patient!!

He drafted Gallo and in interview after trading for Randolph he said he almost drafted
AR but was glad he drafted Gallo

He seems very high on him

Not saying no way we trade Gallo but come on who on here would be happy if Gallo become
a star anywhere but in NY?...... And he and Anthony Play starting basketball on 30 NBA
teams and combined make half of Paul makes ......

AR makes more sense for both teams IMO he played college ball right there and was loved
down there so would also help with the blow of losing your star player ( Homegrown young talent)
Think him West Okafor front line wont hurt!

Add Wilson and Toney with some picks ........ Keep Curry for Melo add Felton and some picks at deadline and
think Denver should be happy!!

Then we roll out a starting 5 looking like this

CP3
anyone
Gallo or Melo
Melo or Gallo
Amare

Ill do that all day against anyone even Lakers!!

Fuck South Beach!! ( Yet its a great place to visit )

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
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7/23/2010  4:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2010  4:16 PM
Panos wrote:
playa2 wrote:
umynot wrote:
Marv wrote:gallo and ar are SO far off from being superstars that this discussion is ridiculous. both have huge holes in their games. they’re young and skilled so could both develop into something, but at this point it is pure speculation. they could both easily become nothing more than journeymen.

Just name me one just one journeyman who avged 15 and 5 as a rookie? All while not being a feature in the offense
thanks largely to players trying to up their own value ...... And not to mention WORST starting PG in the L

Wow how easy you are swayed with stats, all he has to do is make 3 three pointers and that's 9 points, 6 more points 4 can be from the line and one put back. Cmon man

Then why doesn't everyone do that?

That's his specialty, where have you been bro ? Didn't he lead the league in 3 pt early on and lead the league in made or attempts for the year ? He avg 6 3pt attempts a game only Danny Granger attempted more at 7 a clip

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7/23/2010  4:13 PM
playa2 wrote:
Panos wrote:
playa2 wrote:
umynot wrote:
Marv wrote:gallo and ar are SO far off from being superstars that this discussion is ridiculous. both have huge holes in their games. they’re young and skilled so could both develop into something, but at this point it is pure speculation. they could both easily become nothing more than journeymen.

Just name me one just one journeyman who avged 15 and 5 as a rookie? All while not being a feature in the offense
thanks largely to players trying to up their own value ...... And not to mention WORST starting PG in the L

Wow how easy you are swayed with stats, all he has to do is make 3 three pointers and that's 9 points, 6 more points 4 can be from the line and one put back. Cmon man

Then why doesn't everyone do that?

That's his specialty, where have you been bro ?


I don't understand your argument. So you're saying that his speciality is easily and efficiently scoring 15 points
in his "rookie" year, and is this supposed to be a bad thing? Isn't that contradicting labelling him as a career journeyman?

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7/23/2010  4:14 PM
I wouldn't give up Gallo for anyone except Carmelo Anthony
No layups!
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7/23/2010  4:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2010  4:35 PM
Panos wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Panos wrote:
playa2 wrote:
umynot wrote:
Marv wrote:gallo and ar are SO far off from being superstars that this discussion is ridiculous. both have huge holes in their games. they’re young and skilled so could both develop into something, but at this point it is pure speculation. they could both easily become nothing more than journeymen.

Just name me one just one journeyman who avged 15 and 5 as a rookie? All while not being a feature in the offense
thanks largely to players trying to up their own value ...... And not to mention WORST starting PG in the L

Wow how easy you are swayed with stats, all he has to do is make 3 three pointers and that's 9 points, 6 more points 4 can be from the line and one put back. Cmon man

Then why doesn't everyone do that?

That's his specialty, where have you been bro ?


I don't understand your argument. So you're saying that his speciality is easily and efficiently scoring 15 points
in his "rookie" year, and is this supposed to be a bad thing? Isn't that contradicting labelling him as a career journeyman?

Panos I never called him a journeymen, that was another poster. Also in Danphoney's shoot 1st think later offense last yr 3 open looks with his shooting skills he can easily do that when he shoots. Don't forget Danphoney said he's the best shooter he has ever seen

He shot 38% from down town last yr playing in 81 gms

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7/23/2010  4:20 PM
^ That's a decent analogy. Like you said, we have three guys with a lot of potential upside. I guess the question is also which Amare did we sign-- 1st half Amare or 2nd half Amare? I think the patience matter is the best concept.

However, responding to most people's 2012 thoughts-- Melo in 2011 and Paul in 2012, it should be pointed out that the cap space for Chris Paul in 2012 is not possible while retaining both Randolph and Gallo, who will both be eligible for restricted free agency. We would have to renounce both of them (by my count) to sign Paul.

You know I gonna spin wit it
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7/23/2010  4:21 PM
playa2 wrote:People are talking like Gallo has done more and shown people in the LEAGUE more than Randolph and that's alarming to me.

Some say CP3 if he comes to NY WE HAVE TO GIVE UP Randolph and Chandler ,but never Gallo and Chandler WHY IS THAT ?

In this system if both Gallup and Randolph remain healthy I think Randolph covers more ground(ALL AROUND) for the Knicks than any other player on the team including Amare.

You just want to dump Gallo cause he is a community pick

You know I gonna spin wit it
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7/23/2010  4:22 PM
Caseloads wrote:it'd have to be a 3 team trade mid-december for:

CP3 + to knicks
Felton to team X
Gallo or AR + Chan + sweetner from team X + picks + misc to Hornets

We can do that right now can't we? Didn't QBrick get traded 4 times one summer? If you trade a player straight up you are allowed to do it, no?

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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7/23/2010  4:25 PM
loweyecue wrote:
Caseloads wrote:it'd have to be a 3 team trade mid-december for:

CP3 + to knicks
Felton to team X
Gallo or AR + Chan + sweetner from team X + picks + misc to Hornets

We can do that right now can't we? Didn't QBrick get traded 4 times one summer? If you trade a player straight up you are allowed to do it, no?

Traded players not signed free agents.

You know I gonna spin wit it
Randolph==Superstar Gallinari=Superstar

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