jazz74 wrote:i said time and time again, i like paul just as much as lebum and that doenst change. his injury give cause to pausing but this ia THE best point guard in the league arguably. you have to explore options and if it cost us ar then do it. i hear melo is closer to signing an extension anyway so the flexibility for next year will be for naught unless we want yao ming. this would be a gift that we cant pass up. and i dont think we have to give up BOTH gallo and ar but one or the other and i think it should be ar. they will have to give him a rigorous physical or maybe wait until ray felt can be traded. by then we will see if cp3 is still the man. but we cant, like hahn said, let a team "backdoor" us.

I tend to agree with you. I'm not so sure Melo is going to pass up that money considering the possible lockout next summer. Paul may be our best bet to get that second star, but the knee concerns me a bit.

Nalod wrote:Tommy Dee brings up a good point that we can afford to be patient. We can likley offer the best deal and given CP3 made a list its skewed to being in NY.

Let the old man sleep and be patient.

Its not that I don't want CP3, but I want him at the right price with the right pieces around him. The best teams are deep in talent and we need to acomplish this.

I'll leave the knee to Dr. Calahan's trusted expertise.

Let Walsh build the team, not Marvy Mav Carter!

How freakin awesome would it be to deny Miami a shot at the finals with a deeper, more balanced team.
One can dream! even if its a pipedream!

iSergio wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

iSergio wrote:Anyone who wouldn't trade Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph for Chris Paul is a sick man. We're talking about CP3. A franchise PG. A player who will be an MVP candidate EVERY season. A Amar'e Stoudemire/CP3 pick-and-roll would just be unstoppable. And that PF/PG duo is probably the best since Karl Malone and John Stockton. I'm sorry, I know some of you get hardon's for having young players on the team but when a player like CP3 becomes available, you do everything in your power to get him.

And I think some of you are too unrealistic with Gallo and Randolph. They are not Dirk Nowitzki or Chris Bosh. And some are worried about CP3's knee - what about Gallo's back and Randolph's ankle?

Lets trade Gallo AR Chandler Felton 3 number 1 picks lol

I changed my mind. Let's stay how we are and win 35 games next year.

I don't think the issue with dealing for Chris Paul is his talent so much as the costs to get him. Curry, Chandler, Azubuike and Turiaf (player option) are all on the table as soon as they can be traded because they are either expiring contracts or in Turiaf's case, a player option that is near certain not to be exercised.

But the question is what it would cost above and beyond those players because you may be better off waiting to see if you can pry Melo loose or even sign him outright next season without giving up assets (other than those expiring contracts). Getting Chris Paul now would slam the door on Melo later unless we do a sign and trade to get Melo.

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BRIGGS wrote:If Ray Felton is avg 16-10-3.5 why do we need Chris Paul--I dont get it? And then we give away monumental building blocks standing 7 feet tall. Insane and I doubt D Walsh is anywhere near that stupid.

Raymond Felton is not on the same planet as Chris Paul. It's like saying why we do need Carmelo Anthony when we have Wilson Chandler. CP3 is a SUPERSTAR

Starphucher?

I haven't really seen a lot of Felton's games but I like the idea of a leader who grinds it out, plays D, distributes and knows his role.

I also want to see what we have in Gallo and Randolph this year.

Curry's expiring will be a good piece to have toward Feb.

Nalod wrote:

iSergio wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If Ray Felton is avg 16-10-3.5 why do we need Chris Paul--I dont get it? And then we give away monumental building blocks standing 7 feet tall. Insane and I doubt D Walsh is anywhere near that stupid.

Raymond Felton is not on the same planet as Chris Paul. It's like saying why we do need Carmelo Anthony when we have Wilson Chandler. CP3 is a SUPERSTAR

Starphucher?

I just want to win. And you win with SuperStars. Not a bunch of young guys with potential (mostly that's unrealistic and overrated with Danilo Gallinari).

iSergio wrote:

Nalod wrote:

iSergio wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If Ray Felton is avg 16-10-3.5 why do we need Chris Paul--I dont get it? And then we give away monumental building blocks standing 7 feet tall. Insane and I doubt D Walsh is anywhere near that stupid.

Raymond Felton is not on the same planet as Chris Paul. It's like saying why we do need Carmelo Anthony when we have Wilson Chandler. CP3 is a SUPERSTAR

Starphucher?

I just want to win. And you win with SuperStars. Not a bunch of young guys with potential (mostly that's unrealistic and overrated with Danilo Gallinari).

Starphuchers want to win. No doubt.

As a fan I'd like to see what Gallo has now. No Nate, No hughes, no crap. A young high pedigree PG let off the leash with some firepower around him.

Starphuchers like the stars as they know what they have.

It works somtimes. But somtimes in the pursuit if it you give up too much.

Remember the Yankees 18 year drought? Steinbrenner used to give up his farm to get big name players and it did not work. Those teams were stacked. The Yankee core, still together after 16 years was constructed when George was on suspended from the team.

I you can turn Dlee in his prime for AR and change, and AR becomes special all while under a lower salary its a masterstroke move. If Gallo, after two years (one lost to back injury) blossoms to a 20-7 player with intangables they its wrong.

Wrong if you don't win a championship, and Amare-cp3-melo is not as good as the Virgina Chronicles in Miami. The balance has to be depth.

Maybe cp3 and Amare without Melo is beter because of deeper roster.

Don't know. Thats the fun. What could be vs. paying full retail for what is. Starphuchers pay full retail.

And you might be right!!!!

nyvector16 wrote:Briggs is completely right on this one.

Giving up everything for Paul is a bad mistake, especially when you consider he is coming off an injury.

I wonder if Chris Paul would do what Vince Carter did to get out of out Toronto.
Basically packing it in and playing like crap on purpose. It is a low thing to do, but was obviously effective.

My take on all this:
Felton was drafter right after Chris Paul & Deron in the 2005 Draft.
Those 3 were always projected to be top notch Point Guards.

Felton has been hindered by Larry Brown's half court sloth offense that does not lend itself to Felton's strengths.
His strength being his quickness and ability to attack the basket in transition.

We have to give him the opportunity to show us and the rest of the NBA what he can really do.
It is entirely within the realm of possibility that he is just a few notches below Chris Paul.
In which case I would rather have Felton at 8 million than Paul at 15 million.
It would allow us to beef up another part of the rotation that needs help.(mostly at the SG position)

We are very balanced right now and I would hate to ruin that for the sake of starphuching.
Depth and balance is the one thing we have over a team like Miami, we cannot give that up.

Word. I am with Briggs on this one. I'd love CP3 (if healthy) but I would also be happy to use him as leverage to land Melo. I seriously doubt it would be possible to acquire both (i.e., we lack trade-able assets to get both in trades). I also think we have to see what we have in Gallo and AR. Since adding Melo to the Knicks essentially knocks Gallo from his position, he might have to be considered a trade asset to get Melo. But if we're going the CP3 route, we MUST keep Gallo to spread the floor.