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EwingsGlass
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7/11/2010  1:02 AM
Put the Henny down.
You know I gonna spin wit it
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7/11/2010  1:09 AM
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Paladin55 wrote:So Donnie f'n lied to us? He said he was done with the FA market.

Have we ever had this much beef and length on our front line? This guy sounds like a moose.

Maybe this is the enforcer who is going to give up some hard fouls against the guy whose posse questioned Walsh's virility?


This signing is all about the kind of players Walsh wants on a team. Based on the comments I read about his offensive skills I can't see that MDA would want this guy as a 5. Getting this guy is all Donnie. I think there is some tension going on between him and MDA. I also think the GS trade is one Walsh wanted more than MDA.

We have enough bulk to actually inspire some fear in people who try to drive on our basket. Folks expecting a free ride to our hoop are going to be facing a rude reality this season.

By the way- how does this set back our cap room?

Hey Palladin 55 I don't hide that Im not really a fan of how mDA coaches basketball--maybe it looks snazzy but I prefer the way DW built up the Indiana frontline--hey that was a time when there were many big teams and getting to the basket wasnt easy. We just saw a monsterous Laker team win it all two times in a row. You have to be able to play defense and rebound to win and you need big guys to score easy points and clog the lane on D. If I had my pick for this team--I would go with a Mark jackson--he had good things to say about Randolph and I just see him-=--as a guy who played for a lot of good coaches--he was here when Pitino used 10 guys --I just think a guy like M Jackson would be better for this team. Thats just the way I see it. I see Mark Jackson like a Scotty Brooks like coach.

I am totally in on an MJAX hire. He has tremendous character on and off the court and is a leader. This is a young, rebuilding team that needs a guy that will mentor and coach its young players. I don't think D'Antoni is that guy. He certainly hasn't been the past two years.

Agree

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7/11/2010  1:13 AM
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martin wrote:so Cos, ever seen this dude? ... and you still have a forgone opinion?

I don't think it's far fetched to assume that he's garbage.

Seeing him or not.

Bet ya when I see him my opinion of him will get WORSE. If that's possible. Yeah, it's probably possible.


Come'on now.

Nothing to defend here everything to BASH. THREE YEARS for some hack we've never seen? That nobody has ever seen? I can imagine Sloth from Goonies stepping out onto the court.....

Lol... you been drinkin? I been working on my liquor cabinet tonite... somehow, my fiancee is sleeping and I am here with a spreadsheet open talking about some 7'1 russo and trying to figure out why you dislike him so much. Did he delonte west you or something?

You got me. I am ripped.

Yet even if I were sober.......there is no way I'd be as ecstatic about signing some gigantic pituitary gland factory from Russia as some are.
What is going on here I won't ever understand.

Yet it seems suddenly this guy is a fan favorite destined for stardom who will lift the lowly Knicks to NBA finals contention... or well, something. Although, that is probably the case of beer and bottle of tequila I destroyed with my neighbor tonight talking.

Still, the idea stands: WHO THE HELL? WHY ARE YOU GUYS SO HIGH ON THIS WORTHLESS MEAT BAG?

Wow... we're reduced to this, huh, being excited about someone that probably can't even add 1+1.

Great. I feel good now. Knicks 2011 champs!


My day started with the, You can go south but your mom is riding west shirt and is ending with this. Awesome!
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7/11/2010  1:20 AM
well, when it comes to international talent i do trust walsh. he brought detlef schremph and rik smits? they turned out to be very good. not to say this guy will be that caliber.
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7/11/2010  1:25 AM
jazz74 wrote:well, when it comes to international talent i do trust walsh. he brought detlef schremph and rik smits? they turned out to be very good. not to say this guy will be that caliber.

Both of those guys went to college here. Smits was local and Marist had some other international players when he went there. Walsh definitely has had positive experiences with foreign players and I am sure the Knicks have scouted this guy. 9 million and a 500,000 buyout is a significant amount of money.

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7/11/2010  1:26 AM
They asked Timmay what he thought of lebron and Miami and he ate a chair. He said he eat lebron.
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7/11/2010  1:28 AM
MDA can coach! PERIOD! I can't wait for some of you guys to see what he can do for players that aren't selfish and want to be coached. DW is giving him a team full of balance and options. MDA coached Shaq for goodness sake. He played Jared, Barron and if he had stayed healthy Curry would've played too. He went to the WCF with Diaw and KT. MDA plays guys who can help him win.

What do you think Donnie is just gonna force players down MDA's throat with no regard for how his system works? MDA and DW I have no doubt, are in synch on what the plan is for this roster. Both men realize you need size to compete, but you need GOOD players with size. They'll try to develop these bigs. Some will excel and stay some won't. It's worth a shot to see if we catch lighting in a bottle. I love how Donnie is loading up the bench with high upside young talent. Isn't that what many have been screaming about? Our capspace is being used perfectly by Donnie. We've never had this much raw talent and size since the Ewing era ended. This is what DW does best.

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7/11/2010  1:29 AM
jazz74 wrote:well, when it comes to international talent i do trust walsh. he brought detlef schremph and rik smits? they turned out to be very good. not to say this guy will be that caliber.

Something is up, to sign this guy, out of the blue, that no one seemed to know about. "Mystery Player Come On Down"

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7/11/2010  1:32 AM
trade chips?
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7/11/2010  1:39 AM
Sangfroid wrote:
jazz74 wrote:well, when it comes to international talent i do trust walsh. he brought detlef schremph and rik smits? they turned out to be very good. not to say this guy will be that caliber.

Something is up, to sign this guy, out of the blue, that no one seemed to know about. "Mystery Player Come On Down"

Hey if Donnie wants to make a mega trade for Melo or CP3 he has to have talent to send. This is not to say something is imminent just that it's smart to be prepared for whatever. So not only do we have cap space to absorb salary, Curry's exp but a lot of young cheap talent too.
We need that when you don't have picks to send. So we'll see what this all leads to down the line.

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7/11/2010  1:45 AM
nixluva wrote:MDA can coach! PERIOD! I can't wait for some of you guys to see what he can do for players that aren't selfish and want to be coached. DW is giving him a team full of balance and options. MDA coached Shaq for goodness sake. He played Jared, Barron and if he had stayed healthy Curry would've played too. He went to the WCF with Diaw and KT. MDA plays guys who can help him win.

What do you think Donnie is just gonna force players down MDA's throat with no regard for how his system works? MDA and DW I have no doubt, are in synch on what the plan is for this roster. Both men realize you need size to compete, but you need GOOD players with size. They'll try to develop these bigs. Some will excel and stay some won't. It's worth a shot to see if we catch lighting in a bottle. I love how Donnie is loading up the bench with high upside young talent. Isn't that what many have been screaming about? Our capspace is being used perfectly by Donnie. We've never had this much raw talent and size since the Ewing era ended. This is what DW does best.


I agree with everything that you said about Walsh and I am very excited about what he has done this offseason. I disagree about D'Antoni playing bigs and developing players. D'Antoni took the Knicks to 29 wins last year and let his rookies sit while marginal vets with expirings got minutes. D'Antoni has said that he believes bigs slow down the offense and in the past he has not played them. The reason I am questioning Walsh/D'Antoni is because D'Antoni has always been about three point shooting, athleticism, and speed. Size has always been sacrificed to achieve this for D'Antoni teams. Walsh is putting together a team with tremendous size and many of these guys are not three point shooters and some may slow down the offense some. This is different from past practice with these two. Walsh has catered to D'Antoni as much as possible within the parameters of the salary cap and his plan to clear cap space. That doesn't appear to be the case anymore. The Knicks have a roster with young players and a lot of length. Last year the rookies didn't see any significant playing time until the last quarter of the season. Hill because he was on a different team and Douglas's minutes simultaneously went up during the March road trip when Donnie traveled with the team to scout his players and coaching staff. I don't think Walsh is going to provide D'Antoni with the high character low upside vets that don't need coaching. I think Walsh wants to win and build for the future. He knows how to build a winning team but I think he maybe recognizing that D'Antoni doesn't know how to coach a rebuilding, young team.
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7/11/2010  2:01 AM
Cosmic wrote:
martin wrote:
Cosmic wrote:What in the hell?

Who? Why?

....What the hell is going on.

Really? We killed Max-2011 cap space... on some big gigantic mongoloid that nobody knows about?

Really?????????


Wow....


But, well, give it time, somebody will declare him our starting center for the next 10 years I'm sure.

dude is signed for $3M. you don't think we could dump/trade $3M?

Why did we just sign a complete unknown piece of crap player for 3M per year? To do what? Who wants to trade for him?

This is our power move to fill out the roster? Giving this bum hack nobody knows about a THREE YEAR deal? Really?

Come'on. I must be dreaming....

Cos he has been the number 1 international free agent for 2 years on Draft Express he is not a hack.He is a defensive center something we havent had in years.

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7/11/2010  2:07 AM
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loweyecue wrote:I doubt he will get any burn
He definitely wouldn't have last year. I don't think D'Antoni is going to enjoy the same autonomy that allowed him to play limited vets over young players anymore.

Don't think they would have signed him for 3 if he was not going to have a role. He's obviously one of the guys they saw when they went overseas but they really kept things close to the vest- did anyone ever even here him mentioned in a group of foreign prospects they saw while in Europe?

We seem to have a hell of a lot of flexibility with the kind of players we have on this roster. If everyone is healthy we seem to have players for dealing with most types of situations and teams we'll have to face.

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7/11/2010  2:23 AM
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nixluva wrote:MDA can coach! PERIOD! I can't wait for some of you guys to see what he can do for players that aren't selfish and want to be coached. DW is giving him a team full of balance and options. MDA coached Shaq for goodness sake. He played Jared, Barron and if he had stayed healthy Curry would've played too. He went to the WCF with Diaw and KT. MDA plays guys who can help him win.

What do you think Donnie is just gonna force players down MDA's throat with no regard for how his system works? MDA and DW I have no doubt, are in synch on what the plan is for this roster. Both men realize you need size to compete, but you need GOOD players with size. They'll try to develop these bigs. Some will excel and stay some won't. It's worth a shot to see if we catch lighting in a bottle. I love how Donnie is loading up the bench with high upside young talent. Isn't that what many have been screaming about? Our capspace is being used perfectly by Donnie. We've never had this much raw talent and size since the Ewing era ended. This is what DW does best.


I agree with everything that you said about Walsh and I am very excited about what he has done this offseason. I disagree about D'Antoni playing bigs and developing players. D'Antoni took the Knicks to 29 wins last year and let his rookies sit while marginal vets with expirings got minutes. D'Antoni has said that he believes bigs slow down the offense and in the past he has not played them. The reason I am questioning Walsh/D'Antoni is because D'Antoni has always been about three point shooting, athleticism, and speed. Size has always been sacrificed to achieve this for D'Antoni teams. Walsh is putting together a team with tremendous size and many of these guys are not three point shooters and some may slow down the offense some. This is different from past practice with these two. Walsh has catered to D'Antoni as much as possible within the parameters of the salary cap and his plan to clear cap space. That doesn't appear to be the case anymore. The Knicks have a roster with young players and a lot of length. Last year the rookies didn't see any significant playing time until the last quarter of the season. Hill because he was on a different team and Douglas's minutes simultaneously went up during the March road trip when Donnie traveled with the team to scout his players and coaching staff. I don't think Walsh is going to provide D'Antoni with the high character low upside vets that don't need coaching. I think Walsh wants to win and build for the future. He knows how to build a winning team but I think he maybe recognizing that D'Antoni doesn't know how to coach a rebuilding, young team.

DW didn't inherit MDA. HE PICKED HIM ABOVE EVERY OTHER OPTION for not only the last 2 yrs but for the future! DW NEVER crosses up his coach. They are putting this team together so that MDA has everything he needs to win. Every big Donnie has added can run and finish and play pick n roll. Also more important they all block shots. This team is perfectly suited to MDA's style.

You think Rautins n Fields aren't MDA types? How about AZ and AR? I'm telling you DW and MDA are on the same page!

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7/11/2010  2:25 AM
I agree, 3 yr deal, he's definitely seeing minutes. And he can finish at the basket. I see him catching alot of alley this season. 7'1, 270, 22yrs old. Whats not to like?
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7/11/2010  2:28 AM
We no longer have a max slot next year (short about $2-3M barring any CBA changes for Carmelo), so imo it's pretty important that we try and dump Turiaf's contract for an expiring if we can. I'd definitely prefer having a 7'1 athletic bruiser over an undersized F/C. Might as well try and trade Chandler for a future pick as well.

Even if we plan to trade for Carmelo, having that max slot gives us extra leverage against Denver.

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7/11/2010  2:28 AM
martin wrote:
oohah wrote:
martin wrote:you're becoming the new Isles

Thanks for the insult. I think Viles went around insulting people and was nasty just for the fun of it. I am just expressing my opinion, and it just so happens that I am correct that things don't look good.

I'm very sorry that the ethos of this forum is to decide on a group opinion and disrespect those who express any dissent. I guess to post here (Right now) one has to act like everything is good and if anyone dares to say otherwise then they get jumped on led by the guy who runs the forum. Please let me know when we are allowed to say things are going bad. And then anyone who dares to say different will then be lambasted by "The Herd".

That's some pretty "fair and balanced" moderating there, Martin. Good work!

oohah

how's this for fair and balanced: go **** yourself.

does this mean I'm allowed to add this phrase back into my bag of tricks?

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7/11/2010  2:28 AM
martin wrote:
oohah wrote:
martin wrote:you're becoming the new Isles

Thanks for the insult. I think Viles went around insulting people and was nasty just for the fun of it. I am just expressing my opinion, and it just so happens that I am correct that things don't look good.

I'm very sorry that the ethos of this forum is to decide on a group opinion and disrespect those who express any dissent. I guess to post here (Right now) one has to act like everything is good and if anyone dares to say otherwise then they get jumped on led by the guy who runs the forum. Please let me know when we are allowed to say things are going bad. And then anyone who dares to say different will then be lambasted by "The Herd".

That's some pretty "fair and balanced" moderating there, Martin. Good work!

oohah

how's this for fair and balanced: go **** yourself.

does this mean I'm allowed to add this phrase back into my bag of tricks?

DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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7/11/2010  2:29 AM
as for the signing, this is awesome. I don't see how getting a guy like this would be considered a bad thing. We could use a more dominant 2. MIke Mille rowuld be nice but looks like that ship has sailed. Maybe Raja Bell for a year or something.
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7/11/2010  2:30 AM
Also, $3M sounds like a lot for a relatively unknown undrafted FA. How much was his contract for Khimki?
Another cheap big with upside (Knicks sign Timofey Mozgov 7'1" Russian - 3 year deal)

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