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misterearl
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7/9/2010  12:19 PM
iSergio - Randolph a bum?

I look forward to reading your utterly bitter quote again in November

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7/9/2010  12:27 PM
misterearl wrote:iSergio - Randolph a bum?

I look forward to reading your utterly bitter quote again in November

How good do you think he can be? Marcus Camby? I'd be happy if he's Chris "Birdman" Anderson.

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7/9/2010  12:28 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:Remember Randolph doesnt even turn 21 to later this month. I think that if he did not get hurt--he would not be a Knick. He was out of site out of mind like Gallo year 1. It says he has grown to over 7 feet tall and over the next year or so his body will mature to peak. He has a lot of talent--kind of like a Camby/Odom combo. I like Livingston to be our PG--I think he is the guy who can LEAD + make our guys BETTER--I really believe that. He fits with what we have going on.

Briggs that is the honest truth, if he didn't get hurt and nellie wasn't his coach we would have never had a chance to snag this type of player.

That's a good point. Nellie being Harrington's coach helped us get rid of Crawford's contract. Let's see what else he can do for us.

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7/9/2010  12:30 PM
iSergio wrote:
misterearl wrote:iSergio - Randolph a bum?

I look forward to reading your utterly bitter quote again in November

How good do you think he can be? Marcus Camby? I'd be happy if he's Chris "Birdman" Anderson.

I can tell you have never watched him play his 1st two yrs in the league

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7/9/2010  12:44 PM
iSergio wrote:
misterearl wrote:iSergio - Randolph a bum?

I look forward to reading your utterly bitter quote again in November

How good do you think he can be? Marcus Camby? I'd be happy if he's Chris "Birdman" Anderson.

you are so far off it's not even funny. his ceiling is more chris bosh than it is anything else

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7/9/2010  12:49 PM
Randolph is a great pick up........ Turiaf is a great asset as well ( doubt we plan on keeping him though)

I like this deal a lot!!

Think Randolph will Mature kinda like Tracy did and O'Neil did!!

If healthy he will have a great year along side Amare and Gallo..

Maybe this helps JJ too.... Being around talented bigs cant hurt!!

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
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7/9/2010  1:35 PM
good review of the trade here (after the first two paragraphs):
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/The-Knicks-trade-David-Lee-for-three-Golden-Stat?urn=nba,254883

The Knicks trade David Lee for three Golden State Warriors
By Kelly Dwyer

The joke is that the New York Knicks spent the entirety of the team's post-Isiah Thomas run clearing cap space for the ability to bring in LeBron James(notes) this summer, along with some other max-makin' stud. Ever since Donnie Walsh was brought in to run things in 2008, and Mike D'Antoni was chased down to coach things a few months later, that's been the plan. LeBron, plus some other guy.

Then Steve Nash(notes), oft-mentioned as the "other guy," extended his contract with the Phoenix Suns last summer. And James, not sure if you've heard, agreed to sign with the Miami Heat last night. And the Knicks, those buffoonish Knicks, struck out again.

That's what they'll tell you, at least.

They also, earlier this week, agreed to terms with Amar'e Stoudemire(notes) on a contract. And, I'm sorry, I much prefer Amar'e Stoudemire on my front line should the ball go up to start a seven game series tomorrow night than I would Chris Bosh(notes). For all his faults, for all his history, Amar'e can play. Amar'e can dominate, offensively.

And according to numerous reports, the team just turned a superfluous and signed-and-traded David Lee(notes) into Ronny Turiaf(notes), Anthony Randolph(notes), and Kelenna Azubuike(notes). That's a fantastic deal for New York.

It's not going to win them a championship, any time soon. They still don't have a clear number two for Amar'e, and that's assuming that Stoudemire is a "number one" to begin with. But to grab three quality players who will thrive in D'Antoni's system? Three guys who (mostly) think defense-first, but can also flourish in transition? Getting it all for Lee, who wasn't much help once Stoudemire hit town?

Great deal. Great, great deal.

And I'm writing this whilst not completely smitten with the promise of Randolph, a source of optimism that we all were drinking from a few years ago. Randolph has all the potential in the world, but I'm not making this judgment based on what he could do. What he can do. What he, with a coach that might actually deign to work with him, might do.

No, I'm bringing this up because the Knicks need a center. And Turiaf, though he's shorter than Lee or Stoudemire, can play center. Ably-enough, when healthy (which is, admittedly, a significant caveat for him). He's one of this league's best shot blockers per minute, and he's a sound enough rebounder to get by. Not in Lee's league, mind you, but then again few are.

I'm bringing this up because Azubuike is a fantastic all-around talent when he wants to be, and can sop up big minutes at the shooting guard and small forward position. And both these players actually deign to defend.

And, yes, I'm bringing this up because if D'Antoni doesn't let his frustration and ego get in the way of things, and really, really, really, really, really tries with Anthony Randolph? He could have a game-changer on his hands. It hasn't been the best start with Randolph, but his potential flies through the roof. And the thing that separates a good coach from a great coach is what you get out of a player like Anthony Randolph. And Don Nelson, over the last few years, hasn't been a great or even adequate coach. Especially in Randolph's regard.

D'Antoni? If he works at it, and takes the long view of things, this could be his number two. This could be his guy.
The Warriors just traded three bench guys, essentially, for someone who averaged over 20 and 11 last season, and will help shore up the team's rebounding while still being able to score at will in a D'Antoni-like offense. And yet, I'm not as keen on their end as I am New York's. In getting rid of Azubuike and Corey Maggette(notes), the team is still incredibly thin (and short, while we're at it) at the wing position, and will need to address that. It's still July, though. Early in this particular run.

Lee can play, though. He's no system player, no fluke, and there's no reason why this guy can't put up another 20 and 11 year in Golden State. Unless Nellie messes with him, and that's always an unfortunate possibility. But six years and $80 million to pay this guy until he's 33? He relies mostly on hops and athleticism, but yeah. I'm down. Which means I'm high on it. Because I'm Mr. Hipster.

Sound move for both teams, two squads that still have quite a bit of work to do. I love these sorts of trades, and I hope the respecting coaching staffs on either side of this transaction dig it as much as I do. Because they could do some great things with this deal.

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7/9/2010  1:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2010  1:53 PM
I'm hearing that Randolph might be a bit of headcase. Does anyone here know if the problem was Nelson, who is known to be a little kooky, or if it is just the fact that Randolph is young and immature. It might say something that Nelson decided to keep Brandon Wright over Randolph. Then again, it might mean nothing considering that GSW traded for Lee in the first place.
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7/9/2010  1:48 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:I'm hearing that Randolph might be a bit of headcase. Does anyone here know if the problem was Nelso, who is known to be a little kooky, or if it is just the fact that Randolph is young and immature. It might say something that Nelson decided to keep Brandon Wright over randolph. Then again, it might mean nothing considering that GSW traded for Lee in the first place.

My vote is he gets a clean slate in NY. It'd be nice to bring in some cool headed vets to lead these youngsters.

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7/9/2010  1:58 PM
bigD.. AR is VERY young. He does not have Gallo's mental toughness and maturity. He will need a little coddling in my opinion but the guy really does have star potential, especially in this system. Not sure who said it but if AR is healthy last year there is ZERO chance we can make this trade. This is a great chance for the Knicks to get high caliber talent for below market value.
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7/9/2010  2:16 PM
fishmike wrote:bigD.. AR is VERY young. He does not have Gallo's mental toughness and maturity. He will need a little coddling in my opinion but the guy really does have star potential, especially in this system. Not sure who said it but if AR is healthy last year there is ZERO chance we can make this trade. This is a great chance for the Knicks to get high caliber talent for below market value.

I hope so. The talent is undeniable. Ar's shotblocking and rebounding are already good enough to improve this team.

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7/9/2010  2:37 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:I'm hearing that Randolph might be a bit of headcase. Does anyone here know if the problem was Nelson, who is known to be a little kooky, or if it is just the fact that Randolph is young and immature. It might say something that Nelson decided to keep Brandon Wright over Randolph. Then again, it might mean nothing considering that GSW traded for Lee in the first place.

he comes a from a military background.. i'm going to assume if there were any issues between him and nelson, they were on nelson's side and not his own.

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7/9/2010  2:42 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:I'm hearing that Randolph might be a bit of headcase. Does anyone here know if the problem was Nelson, who is known to be a little kooky, or if it is just the fact that Randolph is young and immature. It might say something that Nelson decided to keep Brandon Wright over Randolph. Then again, it might mean nothing considering that GSW traded for Lee in the first place.

he comes a from a military background.. i'm going to assume if there were any issues between him and nelson, they were on nelson's side and not his own.

remember, nellie is the guy who thought ewing was overrated and decided to run the offense through anthony mason. he's a little loopy.

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7/9/2010  2:48 PM
This trade reminds me of when Donnie stole Jermaine O'Neal from Portland.
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7/9/2010  2:49 PM
scoshin wrote:This trade reminds me of when Donnie stole Jermaine O'Neal from Portland.

+1

and when we stole Camby from Toronto.

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7/9/2010  2:54 PM
crzymdups wrote:
scoshin wrote:This trade reminds me of when Donnie stole Jermaine O'Neal from Portland.

+1

and when we stole Camby from Toronto.


Totally agree. Also, I think you give him a fresh start in NY. He is coming from Don Nelson's team.
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7/9/2010  2:55 PM
fishmike wrote:bigD.. AR is VERY young. He does not have Gallo's mental toughness and maturity. He will need a little coddling in my opinion but the guy really does have star potential, especially in this system. Not sure who said it but if AR is healthy last year there is ZERO chance we can make this trade. This is a great chance for the Knicks to get high caliber talent for below market value.

So are you saying that Randolph has more star potential than Gallanari ?

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7/9/2010  2:55 PM
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fishmike wrote:bigD.. AR is VERY young. He does not have Gallo's mental toughness and maturity. He will need a little coddling in my opinion but the guy really does have star potential, especially in this system. Not sure who said it but if AR is healthy last year there is ZERO chance we can make this trade. This is a great chance for the Knicks to get high caliber talent for below market value.

So are you saying that Randolph has more star potential than Gallanari ?

it was only a matter of time...

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7/9/2010  2:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2010  2:58 PM
Until There Are A Surplus of 6'11 Yoots Who Can Handle On The Break, The Answer Man Requests That Any Reference to Chris "Birdman" Anderson be Immediately Prohibited

Q. iSergio - Marcus Camby?

A. There is a striking resemblance in playing posture, versatlity and willingness to hurl his body into the air at awkward angles. The object of Briggs' affection is a lean, mean elevatin machine...with some spicy Lamar Odom added for seasoning.

Q. iSergio - How good do you think he can be?

A. Good enough to cause Knicks fans miss David Lee less

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7/9/2010  3:18 PM
A GSW Fan Comment - Great Read

by Adam Lauridsen

Anthony Randolph was my favorite Warrior. As a fan-blogger, I’m allowed to have favorites. And as a fan, those favorites don’t have to be entirely logical. Randolph was a raw, frustrating and inconsistent force during his two years with the Warriors. But he was also ferocious, explosive, relentless and gifted. During his brief time on the team he made plays and changed games in ways that left a far bigger mark on my basketball memories than any box score or game log can capture. On a team long known for taking the conservative option and making the safe pick, Randolph was reckless — and I loved him for it.

The wild streak that made Randolph a favorite of some also likely lead him head first into a clash with coach Don Nelson. We will never know whether Randolph’s relationship with Nelson sealed his fate, what transpired between the two as Randolph fought to scrape together two or three games of consistent playing time, or what Randolph could have become if he had lasted until a new coach arrived. But it’s hard to watch the Warriors’ most highly regarded big man prospect since Chris Webber — not just in the opinion of homer fans, but of those around the league — pack his bags without being haunted by those questions. And those questions are just the tip of the iceberg.

Debating the Randolph trade is likely to devolve into a semi-religious exercise. Those who believe Randolph had the skills to be special will complain that we gave up on him too soon, based on their faith that he could have developed with a different coach and more playing time. Those skeptical of Randolph’s future will demand proof and point to the cold, hard, impressive statistics already logged by David Lee. My last post covered these opposing grounds, so I don’t see much point in rehashing them here. I’m in the camp of true believers who saw Randolph developing into a two-way threat, an intense gamer that could provide some fire next to Curry’s icy cool, and a rare mesh of big and small-man talents that could eventually make him an All Star or more. Time will tell whether I had it all wrong.

More interesting to me, now that the deal is done, are the questions concerning where exactly this leaves the Warriors. This is the biggest deal the team has made since the Baron Davis trade — possibly more significant when you consider the talent departing the squad — and it’s likely to produce some dramatic changes. Here’s what it has left me wondering:

Who is the best defender on the team? Pre-trade, that title likely went to Azubuike or Turiaf. When both were down last season, the Warriors’ PR front stressed how much the team missed them on the defensive end. Now they’re gone — permanently and voluntarily. Randolph’s departure also means the loss of an excellent shot blocker and a quality help defender. So the new leader of the NBA’s worst defense is now … Stephen Curry? Monta Ellis? Ekpe Udoh? Charlie Bell? These aren’t names that inspire confidence that we’re any closer to fixing our number one problem from last season (and beyond): the total inability to come up with stops. Given the names left on our roster, it’s hard for me to assemble a line-up where 4 out of 5 players aren’t defensive liabilities. That’s not how you build a team to make the playoffs, let alone compete in them.

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I know Briggs loves this kid but now i might too (Anthony Randolph talk)

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