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djsunyc
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analyze them in a vacuum. forget any other player that may or may not sign with the team.

do you feel amare is an upgrade over david lee?

take skill, health, age, attitude all into account.

amare is big upgrade over lee
amare is small upgrade over lee
they are the same
amare is small downgrade from lee
amare is big downgrade from lee
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SupremeCommander
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7/6/2010  3:08 PM
nyk4ever wrote:i mean honestly, i don't think it's even a question on whether or not amar'e is an upgrade over lee. lee is a fantastic player but cmon he does not have the skills that amar'e has and he doesnt leave his mark the same way amar'e does. i'm sure all this has been said in this thread already, but cmon it's reality. if we're trading lee for amar'e, we're already a better team.

completely agreed.

Lee is in the Odom category. Amare is in the Gasol category.

Goes to show you there's still work to be done, but it's a significant upgrade.

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7/6/2010  3:09 PM
fishmike wrote:So when the Nets sign Lee for $14mm a year is it a bad signing because there is a REASON the KNicks didnt sign him first?

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7/6/2010  3:14 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:i mean honestly, i don't think it's even a question on whether or not amar'e is an upgrade over lee. lee is a fantastic player but cmon he does not have the skills that amar'e has and he doesnt leave his mark the same way amar'e does. i'm sure all this has been said in this thread already, but cmon it's reality. if we're trading lee for amar'e, we're already a better team.

completely agreed.

Lee is in the Odom category. Amare is in the Gasol category.

Goes to show you there's still work to be done, but it's a significant upgrade.

Walsh has said all along what the plan his. He's pretty much spelled it out and still people here are incapable of having any foresight what so ever. We just got a 5 time all star from a perenial playoff team in the prime of his career coming off a great season ending the conference finals and people cant see the potential positives.

Even if we dont get Lebron or Wade it will be good to watch our young guys play around some bigtime talent.

Its been so long for Knick fans, they dont actually remember what its like to have a player of this caliber. Certainly there must be something wrong with it

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7/6/2010  3:15 PM
fishmike wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:i mean honestly, i don't think it's even a question on whether or not amar'e is an upgrade over lee. lee is a fantastic player but cmon he does not have the skills that amar'e has and he doesnt leave his mark the same way amar'e does. i'm sure all this has been said in this thread already, but cmon it's reality. if we're trading lee for amar'e, we're already a better team.

completely agreed.

Lee is in the Odom category. Amare is in the Gasol category.

Goes to show you there's still work to be done, but it's a significant upgrade.

Walsh has said all along what the plan his. He's pretty much spelled it out and still people here are incapable of having any foresight what so ever. We just got a 5 time all star from a perenial playoff team in the prime of his career coming off a great season ending the conference finals and people cant see the potential positives.

Even if we dont get Lebron or Wade it will be good to watch our young guys play around some bigtime talent.

Its been so long for Knick fans, they dont actually remember what its like to have a player of this caliber. Certainly there must be something wrong with it

obviously everyone wants either wade or bron to go with amar'e but in the very least, we added an all-nba player. if we strike out the rest of the FA, that sucks, but it's not the end of the world. we'll still have next year and the ability to make trades with players. getting amar'e is a great start.

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7/6/2010  3:23 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
fishmike wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:i mean honestly, i don't think it's even a question on whether or not amar'e is an upgrade over lee. lee is a fantastic player but cmon he does not have the skills that amar'e has and he doesnt leave his mark the same way amar'e does. i'm sure all this has been said in this thread already, but cmon it's reality. if we're trading lee for amar'e, we're already a better team.

completely agreed.

Lee is in the Odom category. Amare is in the Gasol category.

Goes to show you there's still work to be done, but it's a significant upgrade.

Walsh has said all along what the plan his. He's pretty much spelled it out and still people here are incapable of having any foresight what so ever. We just got a 5 time all star from a perenial playoff team in the prime of his career coming off a great season ending the conference finals and people cant see the potential positives.

Even if we dont get Lebron or Wade it will be good to watch our young guys play around some bigtime talent.

Its been so long for Knick fans, they dont actually remember what its like to have a player of this caliber. Certainly there must be something wrong with it

obviously everyone wants either wade or bron to go with amar'e but in the very least, we added an all-nba player. if we strike out the rest of the FA, that sucks, but it's not the end of the world. we'll still have next year and the ability to make trades with players. getting amar'e is a great start.

Let's assume for a minute that Donnie doesn't get Wade or LBJ, which is within the realm of possibility.

He still could add Mike Miller, Raymond Felton/Luke Ridnour, Tyrus Thomas, and Kurt Thomas to the mix.

Felton or Ridnour/Douglas
Miller/Chandler
Gallo/Chandler
Amar'e/K Thomas
T Thomas/K Thomas

with Walker, Rautins, Fields, and Jordan available

or

You throw a large sum of money to Ray Allen for one year

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7/6/2010  3:26 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
fishmike wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:i mean honestly, i don't think it's even a question on whether or not amar'e is an upgrade over lee. lee is a fantastic player but cmon he does not have the skills that amar'e has and he doesnt leave his mark the same way amar'e does. i'm sure all this has been said in this thread already, but cmon it's reality. if we're trading lee for amar'e, we're already a better team.

completely agreed.

Lee is in the Odom category. Amare is in the Gasol category.

Goes to show you there's still work to be done, but it's a significant upgrade.

Walsh has said all along what the plan his. He's pretty much spelled it out and still people here are incapable of having any foresight what so ever. We just got a 5 time all star from a perenial playoff team in the prime of his career coming off a great season ending the conference finals and people cant see the potential positives.

Even if we dont get Lebron or Wade it will be good to watch our young guys play around some bigtime talent.

Its been so long for Knick fans, they dont actually remember what its like to have a player of this caliber. Certainly there must be something wrong with it

obviously everyone wants either wade or bron to go with amar'e but in the very least, we added an all-nba player. if we strike out the rest of the FA, that sucks, but it's not the end of the world. we'll still have next year and the ability to make trades with players. getting amar'e is a great start.

Let's assume for a minute that Donnie doesn't get Wade or LBJ, which is within the realm of possibility.

He still could add Mike Miller, Raymond Felton/Luke Ridnour, Tyrus Thomas, and Kurt Thomas to the mix.

Felton or Ridnour/Douglas
Miller/Chandler
Gallo/Chandler
Amar'e/K Thomas
T Thomas/K Thomas

with Walker, Rautins, Fields, and Jordan available

or

You throw a large sum of money to Ray Allen for one year

definitely SC.. if we strike out on bron/wade i have no problem going for both miller and felton and then signing a big FA summer like Melo.

felton
miller
melo
gallo
amar'e

that team is dirty...

"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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7/6/2010  3:32 PM

I heard Cowheard this morning all over the Signing as bad. That Amare has not carried them past the semis', and blah blah blah, that Nash is what fed him.

Lets set the record, its been a long time since we been in the playoffs, so losing in the quarters and Semis is a big upgrade from here.

And give Amare some credit for Nash's success. Nash can't do it alone and Amare still the best player.

PHX don't wanna pay. YOu know, they have had good success and may want to rebuild without him.

KNicks did over pay. We had to. This had to be a "shock and awe" kind of signing.

Im sure BOsh had a NY chance and Toronto would do a Sign and trade. So long as DLee was down with it. Bosh is waiting for a package with Lebron. HIs call.

Amare is an upgrade. I like Dlee a lot. I hope he lands well and will Always wish him good success.
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7/6/2010  3:33 PM
Idle thought here.... Anyway we get Nash from PHX?
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7/6/2010  3:44 PM
BasketballJones wrote:Idle thought here.... Anyway we get Nash from PHX?

no... Pho has no reason to do that. He salary is reasonable and he makes them money. He's a cash cow.

CP3 is also a no shot IMO. We dont have the kind of ponies to make that happen.

I think Tony Parker is an option because the Spurs have a cheaper younger guy who played great in front of him.
I think Collison (NO) is an option also because of CP3 and we could offer NO immediate cap relief if we absorb a guy like OK4 or Peja.

I think Collison and his speed (and his cost) is who we should go after.

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7/6/2010  9:22 PM
I'm one of Lee's biggest fans, but Amare can be an intimidating presence and Lee cannot. Amare can consistently draw help defenders and Lee, while improved in the post, can't really do that. I think he brings a few added dimensions offensively.

My biggest problem with Amare is why can't he rebound better? Well, at least he's not Eddy Curry in that department. I am concerned if our frontline is Chandler, Gallo, Amare- that's not nearly enough rebounding.
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7/6/2010  9:25 PM
VDesai wrote:I'm one of Lee's biggest fans, but Amare can be an intimidating presence and Lee cannot. Amare can consistently draw help defenders and Lee, while improved in the post, can't really do that. I think he brings a few added dimensions offensively.

My biggest problem with Amare is why can't he rebound better? Well, at least he's not Eddy Curry in that department. I am concerned if our frontline is Chandler, Gallo, Amare- that's not nearly enough rebounding.

Overblown. Amar'e Stoudemire is a career 9 rpg player.
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7/6/2010  9:29 PM
iSergio wrote:
VDesai wrote:I'm one of Lee's biggest fans, but Amare can be an intimidating presence and Lee cannot. Amare can consistently draw help defenders and Lee, while improved in the post, can't really do that. I think he brings a few added dimensions offensively.

My biggest problem with Amare is why can't he rebound better? Well, at least he's not Eddy Curry in that department. I am concerned if our frontline is Chandler, Gallo, Amare- that's not nearly enough rebounding.

Overblown. Amar'e Stoudemire is a career 9 rpg player.

cowturd on espn was killin the knicks and amare on this very point. sayin amare given his talents, should be getting 14rbs a game, thinks he lacks desire (on d as well). not shocked to hear it from espn/cowturd.

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7/6/2010  9:36 PM
iSergio wrote:
VDesai wrote:I'm one of Lee's biggest fans, but Amare can be an intimidating presence and Lee cannot. Amare can consistently draw help defenders and Lee, while improved in the post, can't really do that. I think he brings a few added dimensions offensively.

My biggest problem with Amare is why can't he rebound better? Well, at least he's not Eddy Curry in that department. I am concerned if our frontline is Chandler, Gallo, Amare- that's not nearly enough rebounding.

Overblown. Amar'e Stoudemire is a career 9 rpg player.

9 isn't that great given his minutes/touches/size/athleticism. His defensive rebounding rate is relatively low. THat has to do with awareness...
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7/6/2010  9:36 PM
LOL, he said cowturd.
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7/6/2010  9:45 PM
My only concern with Amar'e is his overall ability to stay healthy for his contract and tendency to put up meaningless stats and have no impact on a game. Young and pre-injury Amar'e would be a slam dunk signing but there is a reason he was available too. Remember the Suns left the table. A slight upgrade and progress. Amar'e without a Lebron or Wade though is somewhat meaningless as far as real contenders go IMO. And he needs that full point to set him up. He isn't as creative as Lee with the ball in hands as one would think. In the post he would command a double team unlike Lee. Not anywhere on the same level as Lee as passing and rebounding. Amar'e improved his post defense but it still stinks. Like Lee he is capable of playing at a much higher level but refuses to do so at times.

I will say this, that when I brought up Amar'e success in the past, guys on here pointed to MDA as the main reason. So I guess both Amar'e and MDA should succeed by teaming up again. I'm curious to see what Lee does outside of the Knicks offensive schemes.

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7/6/2010  9:49 PM
Silverfuel wrote:LOL, he said cowturd.

thats what his name **should** be. cant stand that guy.

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