martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

rain wrote:Terrance Williams from the Nets has looked really good running the point.

Nate Dominated this league.. you have to consider the level of competition.

Right but Williams has looked very similar to what he was doing end of year in the nBA. I think he just might be able to play PG if he could control the TO's. The bottom line is Lance looks both physically and game like a lottery pick so far. His body and skills are not going to go away--hey if he stayed at Cincy--he was going to be a lottery pick at some point--very likely. His body looks NBA Rautins-not so much--I mean Rautins was only a fair player for his whole career. Never a great consistent jumpshot
--the only thing that got him drafted was his quick release and passing ability--after that he is underwhelming in terms of physical size and skills

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Andy-Rautins-5839/stats/

A lot of his 3point shots were from NBA range. 40% 3PFG%. 57% 2PFG%. Dude was rumored to hit like 80% of his shots during NBA draft tryouts.

I think the knock on the Knicks @ 38 was there were players with more physical talent than Rautins(who may have gone undrafted) I don't know how anyone could say Rautins has more physical talent than LS? Rautins reminds me an awful lot of the decision to sign A Roberson over better players available.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:We have all these threads on Leborn, and then you see a "Lance Stephenson" thread in between all of them.

Just find it funny.

Have to break up the convo

BRIGGS wrote:
Why so focused on jump-shooting--how many jumpers did Magic Johnson hit past 15 feet in his fist 6-7 years? There are many other facets to the game than long distance shooting. Tyreke Evans did not shoot well---how did he play last year?

I gave an honest opinion of Stephenson based on what I saw. We also know that he allegedly got schooled by Hobson. (Yeah- he had more years in college, but maybe Stephenson should have stayed in a few years if he could find a way to deal with the schoolwork.) Hate to say it, but he actually reminds me a bit of Mardy Collins at Mardy's best.

I don't think he is nearly as quick as Evans is going to the basket. He is not going to be quick enough to guard most PGs. He does not have the quickest feet in the world. I saw what I saw, Briggs I saw him take one jumper and he missed it. I saw him make some nice passes. He likes the open floor and the running game- I don't know how he will play against a good defensive team in a half-court situation. He should also be a good rebounder, especially as he gets even stronger, although he is very mature physically at this time.

http://www.nbadraft.net/nba-draft-combine-shooting-drill-results

NBA Combine shooting results:

Final Analysis-

When I first says this I came away from reading this with a few conclusions- I wanted Rautins as an undrafted signee. I was not even thinking of Lance Stephenson, and these results show him to be a poor shooter. Michail Torrance became the guy I wanted us to pick. Good size- all around player- and a good shooter. Knicks favorite Hobson was nothing special, but Armon Johnson did very well, and he was also someone we expressed interest in. Willie Warren's performance also caught my attention.

When I look at this now I see that Charles Garcia, the guy we asked into SL camp, did not do too well. I also see that the Nets kid, Damion James, who they liked, may have shooting issues- something I saw big time in last night's game.

Winners:

Four players shot above 75%: Andy Rautins (77.7%), Willie Warren (76.7%), Mikhail Torrance (75.9), Luke Babbitt (75.7%).

Rautins was absolutely scorching at close to 80%.

Warren made the most shots knocking down a total of 92 (four more than Torrance).

Torrance showed that not only did he belong at the combine after impressing with his versatility at Portsmouth, but he's also one of the best shooters in this year's draft class.

Babbitt continues to impress. First he measured 6-9 in shoes with a 6-11.25 wingspan. Next he measured a 37.5 inch vertical. And then he shows what he's shown all season, he's a dead eye shooter.

Armon Johnson (73.9%) surprisingly was the fifth best overall shooter, after having impressed in both the athleticism tests (38 inch vertical) and measurements (6'3 with a 6'8 wingspan).

Jordan Crawford (71.9%), Sherron Collins (71.3%), Xavier Henry (70.6%), Eric Bledsoe (70.3%), Terrico White (69.8%) all shot extrememly well, above or at 70%.

Lazar Hayward not only shot close to 70% (68%) but got off the most shots with 125, showing a quick release.

Losers:

Charles Garcia had the most dismal shooting performance hitting just 46 of 112 (41.1%),which is a little surprising because his shooting form has looked pretty good.

Damion James shot just 47.4%. This was a little surprising as he has improved his shot from the perimeter over the past few years. Granted he's a forward and many of the other players that shot are guards.

Stanley Robinson had the second lowest percentage at (47.8%), which isn't surprising. He's not a potential first rounder because of his shooting ability.

Devin Ebanks struggled at (51.7%) particularly on his 3 point shots where he hit just 17 of 50 (34%).

Lance Stephenson shot just 55%. He struggled on the NBA 3 pointers and the elbow to elbow 15-18 foot shots on the move.

James Anderson struggled and for a player that is known for his shooting ability, 58% while unguarded is not good enough.

The Knicks had Lance in for a workout, and got to see him go against, and seemingly not do well against, a player with even worse agility results than him, who was only slightly bigger. They saw what they saw, just like I saw what I saw last night.

You may or may not believe that filling out a team with guys who compliment LeBron is the right way to go, but we took smarter, older players who can do a number of things on the court, and some things- like Rautin's shooting and Fields' ability to slash- very well.