crzymdups wrote:^ key difference there - acquiring OK4 for ECurry doesn't hurt our cap room and our chances of getting two maxes this summer. keeping jordan hill did hurt our cap room and our chances of getting two maxes this summer.

pretty simple.

OK4 hurts the NYK future. His contract is aweful. I agree that Hill hurt the Knicks in cap. But adding OK4 is not a smart move. Rather let Curry expire or get something more cap friendly and better than OK4 with Eddy's contract. I would wait next year there will be another crop of FAs available that will be more cap friendly than OK4.

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:^ key difference there - acquiring OK4 for ECurry doesn't hurt our cap room and our chances of getting two maxes this summer. keeping jordan hill did hurt our cap room and our chances of getting two maxes this summer.

pretty simple.

OK4 hurts the NYK future. His contract is aweful. I agree that Hill hurt the Knicks in cap. But adding OK4 is not a smart move. Rather let Curry expire or get something more cap friendly and better than OK4 with Eddy's contract. I would wait next year there will be another crop of FAs available that will be more cap friendly than OK4.

The future for the Knicks is this summer, so OK4 doesn't hurt the future. You want to get players this summer that put you in position to win now, and he's one of those players. Plus it's better to make a move like this now, and address a need with the mid level next summer.

Knixkik wrote:

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:^ key difference there - acquiring OK4 for ECurry doesn't hurt our cap room and our chances of getting two maxes this summer. keeping jordan hill did hurt our cap room and our chances of getting two maxes this summer.

pretty simple.

OK4 hurts the NYK future. His contract is aweful. I agree that Hill hurt the Knicks in cap. But adding OK4 is not a smart move. Rather let Curry expire or get something more cap friendly and better than OK4 with Eddy's contract. I would wait next year there will be another crop of FAs available that will be more cap friendly than OK4.

The future for the Knicks is this summer, so OK4 doesn't hurt the future. You want to get players this summer that put you in position to win now, and he's one of those players. Plus it's better to make a move like this now, and address a need with the mid level next summer.

Next years crop of centers are going to be very decent, why blow your stack on OK4 Mid level isn't going to cut it for some of the talent available.

Knixkik wrote:

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:^ key difference there - acquiring OK4 for ECurry doesn't hurt our cap room and our chances of getting two maxes this summer. keeping jordan hill did hurt our cap room and our chances of getting two maxes this summer.

pretty simple.

OK4 hurts the NYK future. His contract is aweful. I agree that Hill hurt the Knicks in cap. But adding OK4 is not a smart move. Rather let Curry expire or get something more cap friendly and better than OK4 with Eddy's contract. I would wait next year there will be another crop of FAs available that will be more cap friendly than OK4.

The future for the Knicks is this summer, so OK4 doesn't hurt the future. You want to get players this summer that put you in position to win now, and he's one of those players. Plus it's better to make a move like this now, and address a need with the mid level next summer.

agreed. the idea that if the knicks just hold onto curry and let him expire they'll have cap room is a fallacy. factor in raises to every single player on the roster and the cap room they have next summer after curry expires is more like $5M - aka the mid level. best to get something of value for curry now.

crzymdups wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:^ key difference there - acquiring OK4 for ECurry doesn't hurt our cap room and our chances of getting two maxes this summer. keeping jordan hill did hurt our cap room and our chances of getting two maxes this summer.

pretty simple.

OK4 hurts the NYK future. His contract is aweful. I agree that Hill hurt the Knicks in cap. But adding OK4 is not a smart move. Rather let Curry expire or get something more cap friendly and better than OK4 with Eddy's contract. I would wait next year there will be another crop of FAs available that will be more cap friendly than OK4.

The future for the Knicks is this summer, so OK4 doesn't hurt the future. You want to get players this summer that put you in position to win now, and he's one of those players. Plus it's better to make a move like this now, and address a need with the mid level next summer.

agreed. the idea that if the knicks just hold onto curry and let him expire they'll have cap room is a fallacy. factor in raises to every single player on the roster and the cap room they have next summer after curry expires is more like $5M - aka the mid level. best to get something of value for curry now.

I agree. I haven't done the math but remember there is no MLE if you are under the cap at a certain deadline before FA.

It may be simple economics for us to be better off over the cap next year. IF after Curry leaves and after raises we are at $5 million or so left and the MLE is set anywhere around $6 million, in my opinion we would be better off with Ok4 and $6 mil to spend rather than no center and $5 mil to spend.

metra wrote:Naming names: Horford, Noah and Lopez. All good, close if not better than Okafor and 1/3 of the price.

The reason OK4 is being discussed is because he might be available.

Lets hear your proposal to get a cheaper player of similar talent.

The only CHEAP bigmen in the NBA are the ones still in their rookie contracts like the ones you mentioned above, or they just suck. We could also sign Mikki Moore or Marcus Haislip

AnubisADL wrote:Knicks need to be keeping an eye on Washington with the Arenas situation and Golden State with Monta Ellis.

For all we know the teams may be willing to package McGee with Arenas or Biedrens with Ellis depending on who they are getting back. McGee and Biedrens are better options at C than Okafor.

Neither of those players are as good as Emeka Okafor.

iSergio wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Knicks need to be keeping an eye on Washington with the Arenas situation and Golden State with Monta Ellis.

For all we know the teams may be willing to package McGee with Arenas or Biedrens with Ellis depending on who they are getting back. McGee and Biedrens are better options at C than Okafor.

Neither of those players are as good as Emeka Okafor.

Okafors production has been dropping every year since he has been in the league. McGee is 22 yrs old and Biedrens is 23 yr old while Okafor is 27 yrs old with a bad back. Now I prefer to get a young center who we can groom and use for the next 7-8 yrs.

38. New York Knicks

Terrico White | G | Mississippi
Knicks fans don't have a lot to cheer about, but if White falls this far, they can get a little excited. He has lottery-type talent, but his laid-back demeanor has turned off some teams. He should be dynamite in New York's system and could even play a little point guard.

39. New York Knicks (via Clippers)

Greivis Vasquez | PG | Maryland
Vasquez is getting looks in the late first round by both Memphis and Orlando, but he should be a good fit for New York and coach Mike D'Antoni, who has always liked big point guards that can see the floor and shoot the basketball. Vasquez won't be able to guard anyone, but on the offensive end, he's got talent.

JohnWallace44 wrote:I'm more concerned with his agility. If he can't catch tight passes in traffic then its tough to make him a big part of a pick and roll team.

Just as important to catch high and finish in a SSOL I'd venture. after all it's about beating the defense back, taking good shots in rhythym as much as running the offense against a set defense.

Clogging the lanes on defense...(pause)

So how much of SSOL is predicated on the pick and roll? I do notice they try to run it against set defenses from either side and will with either guard.