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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
6/19/2010 12:28 PM
playa2 wrote:BRIGGS THIS IS WHAT i'M TALKING ABOUT playa--that movie is 30 years old. The *Duke's* of Wall Street have long been supplanted by the Gordon Gecko's of the world--who don't give a fck about any other color than green and their treadmill. Believe me my friend--this is not something I would use to make an example of--it's not 1983 its 2010--wake up--it's all about the individual now--ANYONE can make it in this country--you just have to work hard to get it. RIP Crushalot😞
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Nalod
Posts: 70781 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
6/19/2010 2:04 PM
Soul Man? Trading Places? |
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Allanfan20
Posts: 35947 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #542 USA |
6/19/2010 2:32 PM
BRIGGS wrote:playa2 wrote:BRIGGS THIS IS WHAT i'M TALKING ABOUT I don't know Briggs. I agree that anyone can do it, but it seems like in order for a minority to make it, they have to REALLY make themselves stand out by putting forth a superior effort, as opposed to just working hard. Particularly minorities coming from poor areas. Meanwhile, while you're correct that the only color of concern is green, the stereotypes and racial biases STILL stick in the back of peoples minds, which influences plenty of behavior and decision making. I don't agree with Playa AT ALL with his conspiracy theories, but on this he's correct. If we want to continue being the best country in the world, and work towards being an even better best, we have to all hold accountability when it comes to uninstitutionalized racism. Minorities have to hold accountability towards themselves, and white people have to admit that there's a problem, and it's something we all have to work towards together. It's simple and trivial, but truthful. “Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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Nalod
Posts: 70781 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
6/19/2010 3:04 PM
I think Playa's point is white people don't understand the external force such as a stare, an expression of disaproval that can play on ones self esteem. Or in this case a race of people.
Playa don't udnerstand that a dumb ass movie to prove a point is.........pointless! |
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playa2
Posts: 34922 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 5/15/2003 Member: #407 |
6/19/2010 5:45 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:playa2 wrote:BRIGGS THIS IS WHAT i'M TALKING ABOUT Thanks Allanfann I really appreciate your understanding man. FOREAL !
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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Solace
Posts: 30002 Alba Posts: 20 Joined: 10/30/2003 Member: #479 USA |
6/19/2010 11:06 PM LAST EDITED: 6/19/2010 11:09 PM
Well, I think Kam has a point here, although I would've chosen a little bit different wording. I think there's a difference between what you're talking about, TMS, and what playa is talking about. I think playa's version is paranoia, and this was highlighted by the way he chose to present his initial points. What I am concerned about is that there is an element of perceived racism where they might be little or none at all, just some perception. The article highlighted the same paranoia and also showed a hint of the same attitude towards males.
Here's an example. Let's say that you're a minority and your coworker gets a promotion that you think you should've had. I think most people, regardless of race, think one of two things: 1) "What could I have done more/differently?" and/or 2) "Maybe my boss doesn't like me or appreciate my work." I think that these are normal and rational responses. I think most people would not jump to a racist conclusion unless there was some evidence that it may be the case. However, if playa was in the situation, I believe he would, unfortunately, jump to "my boss didn't give me the promotion because I'm black." Playa will believe this until proven otherwise. He has demonstrated this mentality many times with his posts on the forums. The problem I have here is I don't think it's fair to jump to this conclusion without some evidence. This is just a case of jumping the shark. I hope this makes sense. I don't really mean to stoop to playa's level by calling him out, but I did want to point out that while people are seemingly agreeing with playa, I think the motives are quite different. Anyway, I don't think you're going to find a good discussion of this on a sports forum, which is why I agree with Kam that this thread should never have existed here in the first place. Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
6/19/2010 11:38 PM
this is the Off Topic forum so any topic you want to talk about can be talked about as long as you're not offending the other posters here... if BRIGGS can post up threads telling people in Mexico to stay on their side of the border without being made to feel like he'll be banned for discussing it, i don't see why playa can't post a thread like this one... racial discussions aren't exactly uncommon on these forums.
again, i don't think playa posted this thread to offend but to bring these issues to light for discussion... i think people are judging his intentions based on reputation rather than on the actual thread. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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Solace
Posts: 30002 Alba Posts: 20 Joined: 10/30/2003 Member: #479 USA |
6/20/2010 12:22 AM
TMS wrote:this is the Off Topic forum so any topic you want to talk about can be talked about as long as you're not offending the other posters here... if BRIGGS can post up threads telling people in Mexico to stay on their side of the border without being made to feel like he'll be banned for discussing it, i don't see why playa can't post a thread like this one... racial discussions aren't exactly uncommon on these forums. Well, I guess we just don't agree, then. I think this thread was intentionally made to provoke and annoy people. The 50 points were incredibly stereotypical and the article was completely one-sided and biased, so it's no surprise playa posted it. Playa has a reputation, yes, but he lives up to it. His intentions are obvious. This, again, is why the thread should not have been posted. If you're saying you can post anything in the off topic forum, technically, that's true. However, some etiquette and common courtesy would be nice. As for BRIGGS thread, he simply said he was against people crossing the border illegally. I don't think BRIGGS posted with the intention of upsetting people and I didn't find his post offensive. I don't see what that has to do with anything. Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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Markji
Posts: 22753 Alba Posts: -4 Joined: 9/14/2007 Member: #1673 USA |
6/20/2010 6:30 AM
Solace wrote:All interesting points regarding Playa and if this thread should have been allowed.TMS wrote:this is the Off Topic forum so any topic you want to talk about can be talked about as long as you're not offending the other posters here... if BRIGGS can post up threads telling people in Mexico to stay on their side of the border without being made to feel like he'll be banned for discussing it, i don't see why playa can't post a thread like this one... racial discussions aren't exactly uncommon on these forums. The bottom line: As of now, there are 3 pages, with 70 posts and 634 views. People have been civil in their responses. I think it is a good topic. Just Playa's style which comes into question. The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
Tom Clancy - author
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
6/20/2010 1:00 PM
TMS wrote:this is the Off Topic forum so any topic you want to talk about can be talked about as long as you're not offending the other posters here... if BRIGGS can post up threads telling people in Mexico to stay on their side of the border without being made to feel like he'll be banned for discussing it, i don't see why playa can't post a thread like this one... racial discussions aren't exactly uncommon on these forums. Be honest--I said that people coming into this country should do it the right way--whatever the legal way it is. That is what i said--you must work for the media because you twist my words around whenever it fits your point. If people want to come to the US to be a US citizen from any country--I have no problem with that. I DO have a problem with people bum rushing into the country illegally and using it's assets[health care et al]--not paying taxes taking jobs from actual citizens drug smuggling committing crimes and its provides an easy soft target for terrorists to walk right in and set up shop. I can't see why 1 American would not agree with me. Do it the legal way--there is no other view point that is reasonable. RIP Crushalot😞
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Nalod
Posts: 70781 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
6/20/2010 1:08 PM
When you are "illegal", you are more subject to be violated and abused.
Perhaps if you are poor and disadvantaged in Mexico, columbia, etc, the same exists, but thats another story. |
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
6/20/2010 1:32 PM LAST EDITED: 6/20/2010 1:34 PM
BRIGGS wrote:TMS wrote:this is the Off Topic forum so any topic you want to talk about can be talked about as long as you're not offending the other posters here... if BRIGGS can post up threads telling people in Mexico to stay on their side of the border without being made to feel like he'll be banned for discussing it, i don't see why playa can't post a thread like this one... racial discussions aren't exactly uncommon on these forums. the truth is you are just as agenda driven in your posting as playa is regarded to be in his... your "nuke them back to the stone age" threads don't exactly promote brotherly love & tolerance either yet i never see members coming down on you for posting your views on this forum... i don't see why others should be made to feel like they can't discuss certain issues they feel are worthy of discussion, especially when it's dealing with racial topics... the fact that you can't discuss these issues without resorting to corny ass jokes that try to minimalize the seriousness of the topic speaks a lot to how you view these issues. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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Solace
Posts: 30002 Alba Posts: 20 Joined: 10/30/2003 Member: #479 USA |
6/20/2010 2:05 PM
TMS wrote:BRIGGS wrote:TMS wrote:this is the Off Topic forum so any topic you want to talk about can be talked about as long as you're not offending the other posters here... if BRIGGS can post up threads telling people in Mexico to stay on their side of the border without being made to feel like he'll be banned for discussing it, i don't see why playa can't post a thread like this one... racial discussions aren't exactly uncommon on these forums. Do you have a link? I have no idea what thread you're referring to. Maybe I missed it. I had been away for a while. As for the members coming down; it's simply that nobody wants to feel like they're the enemy. I think most people here are good people who try to do their best. When playa makes a thread like this, it undermines that. There's no real way to be accepting of his point of view when he's busy blindly pointing the finger. Some issues exist, sure, and I think most people try to be cognizant and sensitive to those issues when they actually occur. We aren't taught to ignore them, like the article claims. I still don't know what the point of this thread is. Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
6/20/2010 3:33 PM
you're going to have to dig for it, there's been a few instances of the types of threads i'm referring to dealing with North Korea & Iran... anyway, i don't begrudge anyone's right to talk about a topic... if i disagree with someone's views, i'll post my reasons on the thread, but personally i don't think anyone should be telling someone else not to talk about any particular issue... if they don't want to participate, it's easy not to... just pass over the thread.
i agree that no one likes to feel like they're being accused of racist views or selective ignorance... & maybe as a white person sometimes it gets tiresome to always feel like the race card is flashed by minorities... i can understand why you might have felt a thread like this was created to incite rather than debate, but personally i didn't get that inclination just by reading the list that playa posted... maybe speaking from a minority's point of view i can't really understand where you might be coming from on this, but i do know where playa is coming from... i didn't see anywhere that he mentioned that all white people felt the same, he merely pointed out 1 person's realizations about the many privileges they enjoy living in this country that many others of minority descent might not necessarily share... as you can see from some of the comments on this thread, these are real issues that people of varying racial & ethnic backgrounds have varying opinions on... it deserves discussion IMO... everyone's got different life experiences... maybe talking about those varying viewpoints helps people understand where each other is coming from... just my take... you're free to disagree. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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martin
Posts: 75256 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
6/20/2010 3:48 PM
TMS wrote:you're going to have to dig for it, there's been a few instances of the types of threads i'm referring to dealing with North Korea & Iran... anyway, i don't begrudge anyone's right to talk about a topic... There is a way to introduce a thread or article, especially one as sensitive as this one. Having an initial post such as this one is the completely wrong way to go about it; we have already repeatedly asked playa to not post this way. There is context, opinion, etc that could easily be added but has not been. End of story. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Solace
Posts: 30002 Alba Posts: 20 Joined: 10/30/2003 Member: #479 USA |
6/20/2010 3:59 PM LAST EDITED: 6/20/2010 3:59 PM
martin wrote:TMS wrote:you're going to have to dig for it, there's been a few instances of the types of threads i'm referring to dealing with North Korea & Iran... anyway, i don't begrudge anyone's right to talk about a topic... Thank you, martin. I think you may have phrased that better than what I was saying. That basically 100% summarizes my feelings on the topic. I agree with you, TMS, that there is a good discussion to be had, but I don't think it will happen with a thread that started off this way. Perhaps, it would be prudent to lock this thread and start a new one on a better foot? Just my two cents. Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
6/20/2010 4:41 PM LAST EDITED: 6/20/2010 4:42 PM
martin wrote:TMS wrote:you're going to have to dig for it, there's been a few instances of the types of threads i'm referring to dealing with North Korea & Iran... anyway, i don't begrudge anyone's right to talk about a topic... from what i can see there's been some very good discussion going on in this thread aside from the lame jokes some people chose to try & make light of the issue with... you're free to run your forums however you like but sometimes it seems like a very gray area as to where you draw your lines in terms of what content is & isn't appropriate for these forums... personally i found that "bomb North Korea" thread to be pretty ignorant & borderline offensive, but i don't recall you or anyone else ever chiming in about how those types of threads could have been presented in a different fashion. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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