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6/12/2010  1:07 PM
iSergio wrote:It just hit me today. I think I kind of know where Donnie Walsh is going with this Draft - NBA ready players. Meaning someone like Brian Zoubek and Sherron Collins. Two experienced college ballers from winning programs. Neither have Star potential but both can become role players off the bench. I don't see Walsh taking a project here in this Draft.

I'm not sure about Zoubek (Zoubek's more of a back up type, a guy that doesn't standout in any one area except size -- I think they want a shot-blocker at least) but I really believe Sherron Collins is very much in their plans in the 38/39 range.

Tommy Dee has something up on his blog now about Collins possibly getting hurt and disappointing at his recent Knick workout from the other day. I'm curious what he had to say but I can't open the link for some reason. Can someone copy and past what Tommy wrote please. Thanks.

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6/12/2010  2:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/12/2010  2:31 PM
Nevermind. It's working now... Tommy Dee stating Collins "looked about 10 lbs. overweight, apparently due to injury." Huh? What injury? I haven't heard anything. Anyone else hear Collins is injuried?? And as per Chad Ford who attended the Combine, Collins looks deceiving now -- he still looks heavy due to his husky build, something he'll always have. That's his body type. But I remember Ford commenting that once Collins took off his shirt he showed off his new washboard abs. Ford says Collins is built like "a brick house" now... The Combine just took place recently - Collins couldn't possibly have gotten out of shape that quickly...The latest I've heard is that he's actually worked hard on his body since college...Plus listening to Collins talk about his Knick workout from the other day, from what I remember he said it was OK though he could've shot the ball a little better. He never mentioned being injuried. He did say fatigue could've been a factor -- he had just gotten off a plane and went right to the gym for the workout...Tommy also saying Collins subpar showing may be a "smokescreen" -- not sure what he means here. Is he implying Collins dogged it in the Knick workout because he has a gaurantee somewhere higher up? Or that he dogged it to turn off other interested teams because he wants to be a Knick (less likely, though he did talk very favorably about wanting to be a Knick in his post-workout interview the other day).

Looks like the Knicks may be interested in New Mexico SG/SF Darington Hobson. Hobson worked out in NJ the other day where Mike D'Antoni was in attendance. Now Mike is bringing him in for a Knicks workout I believe on Monday...I know he's about 6'7" with a long wingspan and looks skilled in all areas. Someone in attendance told Tommy that they think D'Antoni and co. envison another Tayshawn Prince with this kid. Not overly familar with him myself -- is that comparison to T. Prince accurate?? Anyone see him enough to get a good read?

Based on everything I'm reading now I'd say this is how our draft winds up going:

- we buy one of Memphis' two 1s in the mid to low 20s and take Craig Brackins
- at 38 we take lefty SG/SF Darington Hobson
- at 39 we take the best available shot-blocker, Jarvis Varnado 1st if he's still on the board, Hamady N'Diaye 2nd.
- we purchase another high to mid 2 and take the best available PG (the PG they like the most from all the guys still on the board, probably the one guy who impressed them the most in their own workouts): Collins, Rautins, Torrence, Uzoh, Bobby Maze, Willie Warren, Greivis Vasquez

That's not exactly how I'd approach it (I think there are better wings than Hobson, not sure I'd use a draft pick on N'Diaye) but it wouldn't be a terrible draft I guess.

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6/12/2010  4:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/12/2010  4:05 PM
Finestrg wrote:Nevermind. It's working now... Tommy Dee stating Collins "looked about 10 lbs. overweight, apparently due to injury." Huh? What injury? I haven't heard anything. Anyone else hear Collins is injuried?? And as per Chad Ford who attended the Combine, Collins looks deceiving now -- he still looks heavy due to his husky build, something he'll always have. That's his body type. But I remember Ford commenting that once Collins took off his shirt he showed off his new washboard abs. Ford says Collins is built like "a brick house" now... The Combine just took place recently - Collins couldn't possibly have gotten out of shape that quickly...The latest I've heard is that he's actually worked hard on his body since college...Plus listening to Collins talk about his Knick workout from the other day, from what I remember he said it was OK though he could've shot the ball a little better. He never mentioned being injuried. He did say fatigue could've been a factor -- he had just gotten off a plane and went right to the gym for the workout...Tommy also saying Collins subpar showing may be a "smokescreen" -- not sure what he means here. Is he implying Collins dogged it in the Knick workout because he has a gaurantee somewhere higher up? Or that he dogged it to turn off other interested teams because he wants to be a Knick (less likely, though he did talk very favorably about wanting to be a Knick in his post-workout interview the other day).

Looks like the Knicks may be interested in New Mexico SG/SF Darington Hobson. Hobson worked out in NJ the other day where Mike D'Antoni was in attendance. Now Mike is bringing him in for a Knicks workout I believe on Monday...I know he's about 6'7" with a long wingspan and looks skilled in all areas. Someone in attendance told Tommy that they think D'Antoni and co. envison another Tayshawn Prince with this kid. Not overly familar with him myself -- is that comparison to T. Prince accurate?? Anyone see him enough to get a good read?

Based on everything I'm reading now I'd say this is how our draft winds up going:

- we buy one of Memphis' two 1s in the mid to low 20s and take Craig Brackins
- at 38 we take lefty SG/SF Darington Hobson
- at 39 we take the best available shot-blocker, Jarvis Varnado 1st if he's still on the board, Hamady N'Diaye 2nd.
- we purchase another high to mid 2 and take the best available PG (the PG they like the most from all the guys still on the board, probably the one guy who impressed them the most in their own workouts): Collins, Rautins, Torrence, Uzoh, Bobby Maze, Willie Warren, Greivis Vasquez

That's not exactly how I'd approach it (I think there are better wings than Hobson, not sure I'd use a draft pick on N'Diaye) but it wouldn't be a terrible draft I guess.

What the Knicks could do if they did somehow get a Brackins and Torrance lets say they had to give up one pick to move up with cash is to buy a late 2 for Jeff Foote or Jerome Jordan[if we dont select them] but I think we can get big by actually picking up a later 2.

Hobson is a little more put together than Prince and I think he could play some point guard depending on who is the 2G

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6/12/2010  7:14 PM
I like Hobson's game. He's the type of versatile wing that seems to thrive in the system. Has anyoen here seen Tiny Gallon play? NBADraft.net has us taking him. I rather take a flyer on derrick Caracter, who is overweight but skilled, or Dexter Pittman, who is overweight but has shown a strong work ethic, than a guy who has weight issue and is still learning to play the game.
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6/12/2010  9:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/13/2010  9:41 AM
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Finestrg wrote:Nevermind. It's working now... Tommy Dee stating Collins "looked about 10 lbs. overweight, apparently due to injury." Huh? What injury? I haven't heard anything. Anyone else hear Collins is injuried?? And as per Chad Ford who attended the Combine, Collins looks deceiving now -- he still looks heavy due to his husky build, something he'll always have. That's his body type. But I remember Ford commenting that once Collins took off his shirt he showed off his new washboard abs. Ford says Collins is built like "a brick house" now... The Combine just took place recently - Collins couldn't possibly have gotten out of shape that quickly...The latest I've heard is that he's actually worked hard on his body since college...Plus listening to Collins talk about his Knick workout from the other day, from what I remember he said it was OK though he could've shot the ball a little better. He never mentioned being injuried. He did say fatigue could've been a factor -- he had just gotten off a plane and went right to the gym for the workout...Tommy also saying Collins subpar showing may be a "smokescreen" -- not sure what he means here. Is he implying Collins dogged it in the Knick workout because he has a gaurantee somewhere higher up? Or that he dogged it to turn off other interested teams because he wants to be a Knick (less likely, though he did talk very favorably about wanting to be a Knick in his post-workout interview the other day).

Looks like the Knicks may be interested in New Mexico SG/SF Darington Hobson. Hobson worked out in NJ the other day where Mike D'Antoni was in attendance. Now Mike is bringing him in for a Knicks workout I believe on Monday...I know he's about 6'7" with a long wingspan and looks skilled in all areas. Someone in attendance told Tommy that they think D'Antoni and co. envison another Tayshawn Prince with this kid. Not overly familar with him myself -- is that comparison to T. Prince accurate?? Anyone see him enough to get a good read?

Based on everything I'm reading now I'd say this is how our draft winds up going:

- we buy one of Memphis' two 1s in the mid to low 20s and take Craig Brackins
- at 38 we take lefty SG/SF Darington Hobson
- at 39 we take the best available shot-blocker, Jarvis Varnado 1st if he's still on the board, Hamady N'Diaye 2nd.
- we purchase another high to mid 2 and take the best available PG (the PG they like the most from all the guys still on the board, probably the one guy who impressed them the most in their own workouts): Collins, Rautins, Torrence, Uzoh, Bobby Maze, Willie Warren, Greivis Vasquez

That's not exactly how I'd approach it (I think there are better wings than Hobson, not sure I'd use a draft pick on N'Diaye) but it wouldn't be a terrible draft I guess.

What the Knicks could do if they did somehow get a Brackins and Torrance lets say they had to give up one pick to move up with cash is to buy a late 2 for Jeff Foote or Jerome Jordan[if we dont select them] but I think we can get big by actually picking up a later 2.

Hobson is a little more put together than Prince and I think he could play some point guard depending on who is the 2G

So Hobson can play some PG huh? Interesting. He certainly looks versatile..I tell you what, when you take into account that this past season was actually his first season competing in NCAA D1 ball, statistically he was awesome: in 33.6 mins. per --> 15.9 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 4.6 apg, 1.3 steals, 36% from 3 on 108 attempts and he got to the line 200 times. If he showed even a little improvement next year over those impressive numbers, we're definitely talking 1st round, possibly even lottery material. This is a kid that was essentially a freshman out there this past season for all intent & purposes even though he was techincally a junior... Man I wonder what he would've done for an encore at the college level next year...This guy looks like a real stat sheet stuffer that could be a big-time steal in the 2nd round...I think he may have a 1st round guarantee somewhere however, possibly the Magic at 29 (http://howardthedunk.com/2010/06/12/are-the-magic-focusing-on-darington-hobson/). Makes sense -- he could've easily went back to school next year -- not many players that are capable of putting up numbers like he did stay in the draft unless they get that 1st round guarantee. Yet he's still working out for the Knicks next week so who knows, maybe he hasn't gotten a guarantee. If he shows well in our workout, I wonder if we switch gears and decide to go with Hobson over Brackins with the 1st rounder we plan on acquiring -- or maybe better yet, we get two 1s and grab both guys (you figure one of those 1s would have to be higher than 29 -- looks like the Magic like him there and supposedly he showed really well in his Jersey workout the other day, outplaying Stanley Robinson. Jersey has picks at 27 & 31. If we really like him, we might have to acquire a pick higher than 27..

The more I think about Jerome Jordan, the more attractive he becomes. Measured out over 7', 240+ lbs, he's a lot more skilled than people realize and probably a better player than some people have given him credit for including myself. He's a legit defensive presence that gets a good deal of blocks and alters a ton of other shots, he rebounds and he can score -- he features a nice little hook shot in close with soft touch that's very effective and he can shot from mid-range. Plus he's actually a decent passer out of the post. He needs to continue to fine tune everything but there's really a ton to work with here all around. I'd be OK with this guy..

Another guy I really like is Trevor Booker. Somewhere around 6'7"/6'8", he's got a long wingspan that makes up for the lack of height. This dude's extremely athletic & intense, he can score, rebound and play some defense. Many compare Booker to DeJuan Blair, Carl Landry, Brandon Bass, Paul Millsap -- I think Booker might be better than any of these guys. When thinking about him, one of the first things that comes to mind is the fact that all of these other guys are successful at the NBA level. That bodes well for Booker. A smaller 4 can absolutely make it at the next level as long as they have the physicality and the skill package and this kid does..The Knicks really should be looking at this guy as well. I know they've worked him out already. 6'7"/6'8" isn't really all that undersized when you take into account how long he is. Then when you think about how strong & athletic he is plus the skill he has (this guy was stepping out shooting college 3s last year as well as operating well down low), he's got to be in the mix for us when thinking about frontcourt depth, with or without guys like Lee or Bosh on the team..

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6/13/2010  8:56 PM
we should be looking to take:

- the best shotblocking, defensive frontcourt player left on the board
- the best PG left on the board

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6/14/2010  2:33 AM

Another guy I really like is Trevor Booker. Somewhere around 6'7"/6'8", he's got a long wingspan that makes up for the lack of height. This dude's extremely athletic & intense, he can score, rebound and play some defense. Many compare Booker to DeJuan Blair, Carl Landry, Brandon Bass, Paul Millsap -- I think Booker might be better than any of these guys. When thinking about him, one of the first things that comes to mind is the fact that all of these other guys are successful at the NBA level. That bodes well for Booker. A smaller 4 can absolutely make it at the next level as long as they have the physicality and the skill package and this kid does..The Knicks really should be looking at this guy as well. I know they've worked him out already. 6'7"/6'8" isn't really all that undersized when you take into account how long he is. Then when you think about how strong & athletic he is plus the skill he has (this guy was stepping out shooting college 3s last year as well as operating well down low), he's got to be in the mix for us when thinking about frontcourt depth, with or without guys like Lee or Bosh on the team..
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With you on Booker as well.

He reminds me of Big Baby a bit.

He may not be a perfect fit but he's the type of kid we need to play minutes off the bench.

Outstanding athlete, great motor, relentless style of play.

Has been compared to Milsap, Landry and Baby.

This sure as hell will be an interesting draft night.

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6/14/2010  11:29 PM
Finestrg wrote:
iSergio wrote:It just hit me today. I think I kind of know where Donnie Walsh is going with this Draft - NBA ready players. Meaning someone like Brian Zoubek and Sherron Collins. Two experienced college ballers from winning programs. Neither have Star potential but both can become role players off the bench. I don't see Walsh taking a project here in this Draft.

I'm not sure about Zoubek (Zoubek's more of a back up type, a guy that doesn't standout in any one area except size -- I think they want a shot-blocker at least) but I really believe Sherron Collins is very much in their plans in the 38/39 range.

Tommy Dee has something up on his blog now about Collins possibly getting hurt and disappointing at his recent Knick workout from the other day. I'm curious what he had to say but I can't open the link for some reason. Can someone copy and past what Tommy wrote please. Thanks.

I think Zoubek and Foote will go much higher than people think. If you remember Travis Knight--I think he was the first pick of the 2nd round and Foote is better than Knight. I think NBA teasm see Zoubek as a Chris Dudley type==it may not be attractive to a fan but gives you a really big solid body off the bench. i was watching the Varnado video on DX with Jerome Jordan--and while Jordan looks skilled his body is very off balanced I have to wonder if he can keep position. Who knows we will see soon

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6/15/2010  9:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/15/2010  9:17 AM
Hey you might be right, although I don't take either guy at 39 or before. For the Knicks, no way do I go Zoubek or Foote over Jerome Jordan for example..Briggs, on our own UK draft thread I think you were right to switch your Miami pick from Foote to Jordan. Zoubek and Foote are big dudes and they very well might have NBA futures (I like Foote better than big Z myself) but if given a choice of a few big men I'd have to go with a guy like Jordan who has a very decent skill level in almost every area right across the board (and he will get better -- if we're thinking big man at our spot in the 2nd round and JJ's there, he's got to be the man - can't believe we haven't brought him in for a workout as of yet) OR a guy that has at least one viable skill that should translate to the next level. For example, N'Diaye's a big man who's raw granted, but he's got some decent athleticism to him & he's developing nicely + he's already an elite shot-blocker (I can see the attraction)..AJ Ogilvy from Vandy is another guy I'm very much interested in -- I think this guy might be at least 6'11" (he may even go 7' in shoes) and he definitely has a knack for scoring the ball -- why Ogilvy wasn't at the Combine is anyone's guess -- he really needed to be there to showcase himself imo. Someone may like him and may have given him a guarantee at the end of the 1st round somewhere, maybe that explains his absence....You know what I'm saying -- at least those two guys have that one NBA-ready skill to hang their hats on...That's not how I see Zoubek and Foote necessarily -- Zoubek's a decent rebounder at the college level and he's BIG but he's not very mobile or athletic and that worries me a little (same for a guy like St. Mary's Omar Samhan)...Foote seems a little more mobile to me but again, he doesn't standout to me compared to some other guys I have in mind...I go Jordan or Ogilvy over these other 3 guys myself...I do agree that we will be able to get size late, maybe even after the draft -- if Zoubek and Foote go undrafted and we miss out on these other guys, I'd be interested in bringing them to summer league -- but to draft them at 38/39? I don't know man, there should be better players there...
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6/15/2010  10:26 AM
If we can get Chris Dudley type Center in the 2nd Round, I'll be very happy. All teams need a player like that. Brian Zoubek will never be a Star but he's a big Center who can rebound, especially on the offensive glass, and set mean picks. Remember who plays in Orlando. Regardless of who we sign this summer, we NEED to stack up on Centers and fouls to defend Dwight Howard.
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6/15/2010  12:04 PM
iSergio wrote:If we can get Chris Dudley type Center in the 2nd Round, I'll be very happy. All teams need a player like that. Brian Zoubek will never be a Star but he's a big Center who can rebound, especially on the offensive glass, and set mean picks. Remember who plays in Orlando. Regardless of who we sign this summer, we NEED to stack up on Centers and fouls to defend Dwight Howard.

Chris Dudly....LMAO, are you kidding me, why on earth would we want a chris dudley type, Im sorry maybe i miss his impact on a team during his playing career

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6/15/2010  12:42 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
iSergio wrote:If we can get Chris Dudley type Center in the 2nd Round, I'll be very happy. All teams need a player like that. Brian Zoubek will never be a Star but he's a big Center who can rebound, especially on the offensive glass, and set mean picks. Remember who plays in Orlando. Regardless of who we sign this summer, we NEED to stack up on Centers and fouls to defend Dwight Howard.

Chris Dudly....LMAO, are you kidding me, why on earth would we want a chris dudley type, Im sorry maybe i miss his impact on a team during his playing career

Chris Dudley was one of the greatest backup Centers in NBA history. He was a great rebounder, defender, blocked shots and set great picks.

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6/15/2010  12:49 PM
iSergio wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
iSergio wrote:If we can get Chris Dudley type Center in the 2nd Round, I'll be very happy. All teams need a player like that. Brian Zoubek will never be a Star but he's a big Center who can rebound, especially on the offensive glass, and set mean picks. Remember who plays in Orlando. Regardless of who we sign this summer, we NEED to stack up on Centers and fouls to defend Dwight Howard.

Chris Dudly....LMAO, are you kidding me, why on earth would we want a chris dudley type, Im sorry maybe i miss his impact on a team during his playing career

Chris Dudley was one of the greatest backup Centers in NBA history. He was a great rebounder, defender, blocked shots and set great picks.

curious, what do you base that on? his non starting years he played on some dreadful teams. dude played in 80+ games only 4 times.

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sidsanders wrote:
iSergio wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
iSergio wrote:If we can get Chris Dudley type Center in the 2nd Round, I'll be very happy. All teams need a player like that. Brian Zoubek will never be a Star but he's a big Center who can rebound, especially on the offensive glass, and set mean picks. Remember who plays in Orlando. Regardless of who we sign this summer, we NEED to stack up on Centers and fouls to defend Dwight Howard.

Chris Dudly....LMAO, are you kidding me, why on earth would we want a chris dudley type, Im sorry maybe i miss his impact on a team during his playing career

Chris Dudley was one of the greatest backup Centers in NBA history. He was a great rebounder, defender, blocked shots and set great picks.

curious, what do you base that on? his non starting years he played on some dreadful teams. dude played in 80+ games only 4 times.

True, but he was better than Travis Knight.

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6/15/2010  12:56 PM
sidsanders wrote:
iSergio wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
iSergio wrote:If we can get Chris Dudley type Center in the 2nd Round, I'll be very happy. All teams need a player like that. Brian Zoubek will never be a Star but he's a big Center who can rebound, especially on the offensive glass, and set mean picks. Remember who plays in Orlando. Regardless of who we sign this summer, we NEED to stack up on Centers and fouls to defend Dwight Howard.

Chris Dudly....LMAO, are you kidding me, why on earth would we want a chris dudley type, Im sorry maybe i miss his impact on a team during his playing career

Chris Dudley was one of the greatest backup Centers in NBA history. He was a great rebounder, defender, blocked shots and set great picks.

curious, what do you base that on? his non starting years he played on some dreadful teams. dude played in 80+ games only 4 times.

If I remember correctly, Chris Dudley was good for 5/8/1 in 18 minutes. That's as productive as you'll get from a backup Center.

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6/15/2010  1:53 PM
Sorry , i will take a earl baron type before I even look in a dudleys direction, that guy was a career back up, a stiff, and manage to stay in the league base on.."I Have know idea"... He wasn't even better then Darko
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6/15/2010  4:27 PM
iSergio wrote:

Chris Dudley was one of the greatest backup Centers in NBA history. He was a great rebounder, defender, blocked shots and set great picks.

...And a guy who you would think could have used his Ivy League education and understanding of physics to learn how to shoot the ball.

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6/17/2010  11:39 AM
DX has us taking Crawford and Torrance today 38-39--moved Brackins into the first round[which I think will happen]

I think the Knicks would be happy with Torrance and Crawford--then maybe pick up a second 2 for Foote

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