martin wrote:

ItalianStallion wrote:

martin wrote:

ItalianStallion wrote:Someone has to explain to me how Parker fits into our pick and roll offense. I realize he's a very good player, but he's more of a penetrator and we need someone than can also knock down the 3.

Spurs run a ton of pick and rolls.

I would have to watch enough Spurs games to comment, but one of the keys to D'Antoni's offense is the spread pick and roll. That requires the PG to be able to knock down 3s at a high enough rate to prevent the defense from cheating on him. You want to create a switch that puts the opposing guard on our C or allows the PG to have space to knock down 3s when they don't. But if the PG can't knock down 3s, no one has to switch. The defense can just allow the PG to throw up bricks (see Duhon). Parker is about 30% from beyond the arc. That's not only not good, it's POOR! I don't get this move at all.

how many rings does Tony Parker have?

Experience counts for something, but Parker would have to fit the mould we need for MDA's PG. If he can't hit three's, why are we looking? Unless, perhaps, MDA isn't part of DW's rebuild plans.

Might as well take the cap relief and a nice young player in Tony Douglas. Anything more and they're trippin'. Their championship days are over. No more reloading.

Time to rebuild Forward thinking organizations are able to realize this, rather than hang on by a fingernail to their aging stars.

OasisBU wrote:

martin wrote:

ItalianStallion wrote:

martin wrote:

ItalianStallion wrote:Someone has to explain to me how Parker fits into our pick and roll offense. I realize he's a very good player, but he's more of a penetrator and we need someone than can also knock down the 3.

Spurs run a ton of pick and rolls.

I would have to watch enough Spurs games to comment, but one of the keys to D'Antoni's offense is the spread pick and roll. That requires the PG to be able to knock down 3s at a high enough rate to prevent the defense from cheating on him. You want to create a switch that puts the opposing guard on our C or allows the PG to have space to knock down 3s when they don't. But if the PG can't knock down 3s, no one has to switch. The defense can just allow the PG to throw up bricks (see Duhon). Parker is about 30% from beyond the arc. That's not only not good, it's POOR! I don't get this move at all.

how many rings does Tony Parker have?

I am with Martin on this - I don't understand the hate for TP - the guy can ball, granted he has some mileage on him.

I don't hate him. I actually think he's an excellent player. I'm just not so sure he fits into this system or will excel to the same degree in it.

ItalianStallion wrote:Someone has to explain to me how Parker fits into our pick and roll offense. I realize he's a very good player, but he's more of a penetrator and we need someone than can also knock down the 3.

You know why Parker fits into Knicks system ? its MDA
MDA could care less whether Parker puts pressure on PGs opposition defensively

Its all about what TParker can do in MDA's system.
MDA is out to prove his all OFFENSE systems is a winner in NY as long as he gets pieces to complement what his philosophy is
Go figure!

Finestrg wrote:The more I think about this, the more my gut tells me we're not getting Parker for Chandler, TD and Eddy Curry. Now if we substitute Lee for Curry however, now I think we're talking.

We need to trade all that for Parker who is on the downside of his career? Isiah is that you my brotha????????????????

Childs2Dudley wrote:

sebstar wrote:

Finestrg wrote:The more I think about this, the more my gut tells me we're not getting Parker for Chandler, TD and Eddy Curry. Now if we substitute Lee for Curry however, now I think we're talking.

We need to trade all that for Parker who is on the downside of his career? Isiah is that you my brotha????????????????

First off Parker is 28. Not on the downside at all. And what is all that? Chandler and/or Douglas? Nice role players but they've proven jack thus far. Parker is a proven all-star with 3 rings. He's a guy with cred and we haven't had much of that the last 10 years.

So what, Parker is on the upside?

Duke is an old 28 and is a player that relies on speed and quickness. He's not done completely but his best days are clearly behind him. For this we give up 2 of our few good, young assets and thats not enough?

On top of that ya'll want to give them our only All-Star who is in his prime? Thats redic, especially after Walsh gave away so many of our strong assets this past season. If we get Lebron, I can see overpaying for Parker, but that's a big if and even then I'm not down to give them all that.

nyk4ever wrote:i dont understand the notion that parker has to only be able to hit 3's to thrive in d'antoni's offense. the biggest factors from a PG in d'antoni's system, is speed and court-vision. the fact that nash can hit 3's is an added bonus, but when you watch the games, most times nash pushes the ball into the perimeter and dishes off - rarely is he coming up and jacking 3's and when he does take them, it's because of good ball movement and he's wide open.

Yeah, really in MDA the pg only needs to be able to hit the mid-range jumper. Obviously, any PG needs to be able to make 3's to be effective on the NBA level, but to say that a MDA pg has to be able to hit threes more than other PGs is an overstatement. Parker can hit the mid-range jumper, and he is alot faster than Duhon or Douglas in driving to the hole. He will make teams pay if they play off him.

TheGame wrote:

sebstar wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

sebstar wrote:

Finestrg wrote:The more I think about this, the more my gut tells me we're not getting Parker for Chandler, TD and Eddy Curry. Now if we substitute Lee for Curry however, now I think we're talking.

We need to trade all that for Parker who is on the downside of his career? Isiah is that you my brotha????????????????

First off Parker is 28. Not on the downside at all. And what is all that? Chandler and/or Douglas? Nice role players but they've proven jack thus far. Parker is a proven all-star with 3 rings. He's a guy with cred and we haven't had much of that the last 10 years.

So what, Parker is on the upside?

Duke is an old 28 and is a player that relies on speed and quickness. He's not done completely but his best days are clearly behind him. For this we give up 2 of our few good, young assets and thats not enough?

On top of that ya'll want to give them our only All-Star who is in his prime? Thats redic, especially after Walsh gave away so many of our strong assets this past season. If we get Lebron, I can see overpaying for Parker, but that's a big if and even then I'm not down to give them all that.

To chime in, you only do the Parker trade if you sign Lebron and Bosh because at that point, you are in win-now mode and Parker gives us a better chance to win-now than Douglas, Chandler, and Curry/Lee. You can promote Bill Walker to SG. A team of Parker, Walker, Lebron, Gallo, and Bosh is instantly a top-6 team in this league.

Knicks are also in a get-better-now mode and Tony fits that too, and he is an ending contract, so it's not detrimental to long-term plans.

A lot of the Knicks' struggles is because they don't have a PG that can run MDA's show, and Tony certainly can do that. He would make Gallo and Chandler and etc a LOT better.