nyk4ever wrote:that sucks... i really would have liked to get this kid

From listening to what his brother said-I don't think Fredette was coming out at all--just testing the process. The brother and father encouraged him to go into the draft--and why not--take a look at next years PG draft--Jimmer was probably 2 or 3 in terms of PG on plenty of teams boards this year--next year even with good play he may be 5-6. He did what he wanted to do--cant fault anyone for that.

Aside from Wall who are the PGs in this draft? I think he would have been a first rounder on need alone. Time will tell. Anyone else pull out we were tracking? Wasnt Sat the last day to pull out?

fishmike wrote:for what its worth there was a report the Knicks gave him a guarentee w/ their one of their 2nd round picks.

Aside from Wall who are the PGs in this draft? I think he would have been a first rounder on need alone. Time will tell. Anyone else pull out we were tracking? Wasnt Sat the last day to pull out?

A guarantee with a 2nd rounder is a joke.

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:for what its worth there was a report the Knicks gave him a guarentee w/ their one of their 2nd round picks.

Aside from Wall who are the PGs in this draft? I think he would have been a first rounder on need alone. Time will tell. Anyone else pull out we were tracking? Wasnt Sat the last day to pull out?

A guarantee with a 2nd rounder is a joke.

Spurs gave Blair the same contract that pick 30 in the first round gets. Two guarenteed years and 2 team options after that. Whats wrong with that? If you can play you can play. The guy is a player, not a prospect looking to ensure a couple million bucks in case he's out of the league. Being picked in the first round would have cost Monta Ellis and Gilbert Arenas about $20mm

2nd round draft picks are NOT guaranteed. The team can choose not to tender the player a deal at all.

BRIGGS wrote:

No--draft picks are very little money. If we did get pick 24 with picks 38+39--I think thats roughly 2mm spent [not including funds to purchase the 24] but that 2mm spent out of 36mm. I don't discount any avenue of im proving the club--whether that is FA trades D leagues or the draft. EACH have distinct and important value in the long run. Think John Starks and Anthony Mason were essentially D league players and chris childs before that.
For example--of our draft was similar to NO last year where they picked up Thorton and Collison--and with a deep draft--and our positioning--I think we have a chance to have somewhat similar success. That is a LOT of value that NO drafted right there. I wonder if some people would rather have Collison than say Joe Johnson for example. If we get LBJ and resign Lee----there is still a matter of filling out 8 roster spots or so.

Look, on the one hand I see where you are coming from. On the other hand I see you wanting to fill our roster up 15 strong with walk ons. I can't be on board with the latter.

If we build a great team this summer and say luck out on a Tayshaun Prince type rookie to propel us to the title, then well of course I'm on board with that, yet that's a once in a lifetime situation, so in that I'd rather stay the course, develop the kids we got, add our FA veterans, and go from there. We got a lot of kids on this team. They all need attention. Adding another means less focus on every kid we got. Not a good thing.

And, again, to expect to hit gold with said purchased pick is a weak argument. Maybe you do but probably you DONT. Now you've just cost yourself that extra veteran player and now your rookie is garbage. Randolph Morris garbage. Then what?

Oh, we tried? While we see a FA say "Oh, well, they could have had me, but they decided to draft JJ Reddick instead!". ????????? No thanks.

BRIGGS wrote:

Cosmic wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

No--draft picks are very little money. If we did get pick 24 with picks 38+39--I think thats roughly 2mm spent [not including funds to purchase the 24] but that 2mm spent out of 36mm. I don't discount any avenue of im proving the club--whether that is FA trades D leagues or the draft. EACH have distinct and important value in the long run. Think John Starks and Anthony Mason were essentially D league players and chris childs before that.
For example--of our draft was similar to NO last year where they picked up Thorton and Collison--and with a deep draft--and our positioning--I think we have a chance to have somewhat similar success. That is a LOT of value that NO drafted right there. I wonder if some people would rather have Collison than say Joe Johnson for example. If we get LBJ and resign Lee----there is still a matter of filling out 8 roster spots or so.

Look, on the one hand I see where you are coming from. On the other hand I see you wanting to fill our roster up 15 strong with walk ons. I can't be on board with the latter.

If we build a great team this summer and say luck out on a Tayshaun Prince type rookie to propel us to the title, then well of course I'm on board with that, yet that's a once in a lifetime situation, so in that I'd rather stay the course, develop the kids we got, add our FA veterans, and go from there. We got a lot of kids on this team. They all need attention. Adding another means less focus on every kid we got. Not a good thing.

And, again, to expect to hit gold with said purchased pick is a weak argument. Maybe you do but probably you DONT. Now you've just cost yourself that extra veteran player and now your rookie is garbage. Randolph Morris garbage. Then what?

Oh, we tried? While we see a FA say "Oh, well, they could have had me, but they decided to draft JJ Reddick instead!". ????????? No thanks.

I guess you can't read very well. I said there should be value-weighted on every facet of improving the team--free agency trades etc... the draft is only one part of the process. Obviously for the Knicks we haev a heavy value weighted portion of free agency this year. But that may only be for two spots--you still have to have value and a plan on filling out 8 more! I think the Celtics are showing a team is better than any one individual--like the Pistons the Lakers etc... 12 man strong.

i think draft picks will be extremely important in filling out the roster over the next few years.

but this is a league of stars. the knicks have decided to go the free agency route to build the foundation of that team. once you know what the foundation is, you build up around it.

if the foundation is lebron and bosh, you know how to build around them in the draft.

there's nothing that says donnie won't try to buy a pick come draft time... but those opportunities won't really arise until the draft. they did due diligence on fredette and tried to guarantee him - but he choose to go back to school, even with 4 teams telling him he was the second best PG in this draft.