The difference in Hibatchi's contract and Curry's is $6.5mm, so your using your cap space well.

You ONLY DO THIS if you resign Lee and add a max FA. That takes you out of the market for 2011 so your next steps are to add talent, and Gilbert is a bigtime player.

Say you max Bosh and sign Lee to a very fat 6 year $78mm (starts at $10mm). You still have about $8-$9mm in cap space. Thats enough to pick up Walker's option, trade for Gilbert and give Earl Barron a guarenteed contract.

Your team is:
PG Arenas 6'4
SG Chandler 6'7
SF Gallo 6'10
PF Lee 6'9
C Bosh 6'10
bench: Barron, Douglas, Walker, draft picks

You run that line up out there with one of the best offensive coaches in the league and your going to make a run.

Its not my first choice but if thats what you end up with after whiffing on Lebron, Wade and Amare thats a pretty exciting lineup. Very deep also. Great bench

Juice wrote:Joe Johnson isn't worth the Max

John Salmons is worth the Max

Alright go ahead and argue against these two statements.

Salmons? He's a MLE player. He's Ron Mercer. He's productive in the right situation. I hope your joking max player

fishmike wrote:If we sign a max frontcourt guy like Bosh or Amare and resign Lee I would absolutely trade for Arenas. He's just got exactly what he needed. A nice long rest. Nobody can say he's not a good basketball player. Guy gets tons of assists, tons of steals and is a good rebounder in the backcourt. He's a clutch player and showed he could have a massive impact in the playoffs. He almost outdueled Lebron a few years ago.

The difference in Hibatchi's contract and Curry's is $6.5mm, so your using your cap space well.

You ONLY DO THIS if you resign Lee and add a max FA. That takes you out of the market for 2011 so your next steps are to add talent, and Gilbert is a bigtime player.

Say you max Bosh and sign Lee to a very fat 6 year $78mm (starts at $10mm). You still have about $8-$9mm in cap space. Thats enough to pick up Walker's option, trade for Gilbert and give Earl Barron a guarenteed contract.

Your team is:
PG Arenas 6'4
SG Chandler 6'7
SF Gallo 6'10
PF Lee 6'9
C Bosh 6'10
bench: Barron, Douglas, Walker, draft picks

You run that line up out there with one of the best offensive coaches in the league and your going to make a run.

Its not my first choice but if thats what you end up with after whiffing on Lebron, Wade and Amare thats a pretty exciting lineup. Very deep also. Great bench

he isnt a pg. hes kinda like marbury, gets asst after he gets his shots. he plays zero d. hes a nut job. hes paid like an impact player and he isnt. he is coming off multiple knee injuries. coming off a major suspension due to his nutty behavior. that isnt a bunch of warning flags? this guy should be out of any scenarios.

sidsanders wrote:

fishmike wrote:If we sign a max frontcourt guy like Bosh or Amare and resign Lee I would absolutely trade for Arenas. He's just got exactly what he needed. A nice long rest. Nobody can say he's not a good basketball player. Guy gets tons of assists, tons of steals and is a good rebounder in the backcourt. He's a clutch player and showed he could have a massive impact in the playoffs. He almost outdueled Lebron a few years ago.

The difference in Hibatchi's contract and Curry's is $6.5mm, so your using your cap space well.

You ONLY DO THIS if you resign Lee and add a max FA. That takes you out of the market for 2011 so your next steps are to add talent, and Gilbert is a bigtime player.

Say you max Bosh and sign Lee to a very fat 6 year $78mm (starts at $10mm). You still have about $8-$9mm in cap space. Thats enough to pick up Walker's option, trade for Gilbert and give Earl Barron a guarenteed contract.

Your team is:
PG Arenas 6'4
SG Chandler 6'7
SF Gallo 6'10
PF Lee 6'9
C Bosh 6'10
bench: Barron, Douglas, Walker, draft picks

You run that line up out there with one of the best offensive coaches in the league and your going to make a run.

Its not my first choice but if thats what you end up with after whiffing on Lebron, Wade and Amare thats a pretty exciting lineup. Very deep also. Great bench

he isnt a pg. hes kinda like marbury, gets asst after he gets his shots. he plays zero d. hes a nut job. hes paid like an impact player and he isnt. he is coming off multiple knee injuries. coming off a major suspension due to his nutty behavior. that isnt a bunch of warning flags? this guy should be out of any scenarios.

He's the anti-marbury. Marbury's teammates hated him and everything about him. You wont find a single guy who says "I would never want to play with Gilbert Arenas" after being his teammated.

He's the Plax of the NBA. A decent guy who really had his head up his ass.

Again... I'm not talking about getting him as our main aquisition. BUT if we upgrade our frontcourt and resign Lee and Wash wants to dump his contract, yes... I would take him.

Imagine if we got Lebron? Sign Lebron, resign Lee, sign Earl Barron. You would have Lee, Arenas, Gallo, Chandler, Douglas feeding off Lebron with one of the best offensive coaches

fishmike wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

fishmike wrote:If we sign a max frontcourt guy like Bosh or Amare and resign Lee I would absolutely trade for Arenas. He's just got exactly what he needed. A nice long rest. Nobody can say he's not a good basketball player. Guy gets tons of assists, tons of steals and is a good rebounder in the backcourt. He's a clutch player and showed he could have a massive impact in the playoffs. He almost outdueled Lebron a few years ago.

The difference in Hibatchi's contract and Curry's is $6.5mm, so your using your cap space well.

You ONLY DO THIS if you resign Lee and add a max FA. That takes you out of the market for 2011 so your next steps are to add talent, and Gilbert is a bigtime player.

Say you max Bosh and sign Lee to a very fat 6 year $78mm (starts at $10mm). You still have about $8-$9mm in cap space. Thats enough to pick up Walker's option, trade for Gilbert and give Earl Barron a guarenteed contract.

Your team is:
PG Arenas 6'4
SG Chandler 6'7
SF Gallo 6'10
PF Lee 6'9
C Bosh 6'10
bench: Barron, Douglas, Walker, draft picks

You run that line up out there with one of the best offensive coaches in the league and your going to make a run.

Its not my first choice but if thats what you end up with after whiffing on Lebron, Wade and Amare thats a pretty exciting lineup. Very deep also. Great bench

he isnt a pg. hes kinda like marbury, gets asst after he gets his shots. he plays zero d. hes a nut job. hes paid like an impact player and he isnt. he is coming off multiple knee injuries. coming off a major suspension due to his nutty behavior. that isnt a bunch of warning flags? this guy should be out of any scenarios.

He gets teammates easy shots. Post knee surgury he was an impact player. He doesnt lock down anyone on defense but like Iverson did he over plays passing lanes and creates a lot of turnovers. He makes big plays and big shots. He's a heady player. He's never had a problem with anyone who has coached him. Up until there were legal issues he's never had a problem with a teammate.

He's the anti-marbury. Marbury's teammates hated him and everything about him. You wont find a single guy who says "I would never want to play with Gilbert Arenas" after being his teammated.

He's the Plax of the NBA. A decent guy who really had his head up his ass.

Again... I'm not talking about getting him as our main aquisition. BUT if we upgrade our frontcourt and resign Lee and Wash wants to dump his contract, yes... I would take him.

Imagine if we got Lebron? Sign Lebron, resign Lee, sign Earl Barron. You would have Lee, Arenas, Gallo, Chandler, Douglas feeding off Lebron with one of the best offensive coaches

not to keep going on this, how was he an impact player on a crappy team? i have had to watch the blizzards as the "local" team, i dont recall this occurring. he would have some ok games and others he would basically try and show up saunders --
flip: shoot less please
mr poop shoe: fine (proceeds to hardly shoot at all)

this from the dude who said he dropped the blog and all cuz he wanted to be a better "leader". how did that work out? the stupid tweets during the gun stuff, the gun stuff itself, the post gun finger pix, the stupid pranks. this guy is not someone the knicks need around. he doesnt seem to have the desire to win as much as the desire to show folks he can score or he should be thought of as "elite". those are != to me.

i can think of 1 for the bold -- butler. probably blatche after the poop shoe incident. wouldnt be shocked if jamison wanted nothing to do with him either. what these guys say in pub, not sure its what they really think though.

adding the lbj part is the cure all... i would take back zero if it got lbj to sign.

sidsanders wrote:not to keep going on this, how was he an impact player on a crappy team?

Sorry dude... Arenas is an all star guy who can take over games. His teammates have always liked him as have his coaches. Yes he's dumb and the gun thing is idiotic. He's the farthest thing from Marbury though. The ONLY question is his health. If that knee is solid you get this guy. He and Lee would be better than anything Lebron will play with in Cle. That gives you a 3 all star line up. If his knee checks out its a no brained. He's a good guy. Dumb maybe.

fishmike wrote:

sidsanders wrote:not to keep going on this, how was he an impact player on a crappy team?

because in his 3 full years he was healthy the Wizards were good. They got beat by the Cavs in the first round twice, but once they almost knocked out Lebron's Cavs and if you remember Arenas went nuts and dominated that series. The Wizards lost in 6, the last 2 games were lost on the last shot and Gilbert outplayed Lebron (remember the multiple 40 point games????). They advanced another year beating the Bulls before losing to the Wade/Shaq Heat that won a title.

Sorry dude... Arenas is an all star guy who can take over games. His teammates have always liked him as have his coaches. Yes he's dumb and the gun thing is idiotic. He's the farthest thing from Marbury though. The ONLY question is his health. If that knee is solid you get this guy. He and Lee would be better than anything Lebron will play with in Cle. That gives you a 3 all star line up. If his knee checks out its a no brained. He's a good guy. Dumb maybe.

we would still be paying to pick up someone elses trash... if he is so good and the only worry is his knee, why would the blizzards dump him? they have some decent young guys plus a high pick in all likelihood. if he can be a key part why get rid of him unless you rape some other team in the process...

why hype a lost 1st rd round playoff series? -- marbury v spurs hype folks used to break out seems familiar (marbury outplaying parker). heck, when lbj said something to him on the ft line way back, the guy hasnt been the same (mentally or other). arenas has already played on a team with 3 all stars, and the net result was 1st rd exits and 1 2nd rd exit. the blizzzzz played no d so that didnt help.

the only way it makes sense is if lbj is here and as noted -- thats a cure all. only a few max guys could be here to justify picking this clown up.

fishmike wrote:

sidsanders wrote:not to keep going on this, how was he an impact player on a crappy team?

because in his 3 full years he was healthy the Wizards were good. They got beat by the Cavs in the first round twice, but once they almost knocked out Lebron's Cavs and if you remember Arenas went nuts and dominated that series. The Wizards lost in 6, the last 2 games were lost on the last shot and Gilbert outplayed Lebron (remember the multiple 40 point games????). They advanced another year beating the Bulls before losing to the Wade/Shaq Heat that won a title.

Sorry dude... Arenas is an all star guy who can take over games. His teammates have always liked him as have his coaches. Yes he's dumb and the gun thing is idiotic. He's the farthest thing from Marbury though. The ONLY question is his health. If that knee is solid you get this guy. He and Lee would be better than anything Lebron will play with in Cle. That gives you a 3 all star line up. If his knee checks out its a no brained. He's a good guy. Dumb maybe.

Dude arena'a is on the decline, I've been living in MD for the past 3/4 years, so i see this guy play a ton, and I see allan Houston all over this guy. They gave this dude a allan houston type contract and he is coming off of 2 major operations.

You know your on the decline when rappers start saying rhmyes like " i be hurting them like the knees on arena's and mcgrady..something to the effect..think it was THE LOX..lol

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

sidsanders wrote:not to keep going on this, how was he an impact player on a crappy team?

because in his 3 full years he was healthy the Wizards were good. They got beat by the Cavs in the first round twice, but once they almost knocked out Lebron's Cavs and if you remember Arenas went nuts and dominated that series. The Wizards lost in 6, the last 2 games were lost on the last shot and Gilbert outplayed Lebron (remember the multiple 40 point games????). They advanced another year beating the Bulls before losing to the Wade/Shaq Heat that won a title.

Sorry dude... Arenas is an all star guy who can take over games. His teammates have always liked him as have his coaches. Yes he's dumb and the gun thing is idiotic. He's the farthest thing from Marbury though. The ONLY question is his health. If that knee is solid you get this guy. He and Lee would be better than anything Lebron will play with in Cle. That gives you a 3 all star line up. If his knee checks out its a no brained. He's a good guy. Dumb maybe.

Dude arena'a is on the decline, I've been living in MD for the past 3/4 years, so i see this guy play a ton, and I see allan Houston all over this guy. They gave this dude a allan houston type contract and he is coming off of 2 major operations.

You know your on the decline when rappers start saying rhmyes like " i be hurting them like the knees on arena's and mcgrady..something to the effect..think it was THE LOX..lol

If I can get McGee and a future pick to go along with Arenas then it is a no brainer. Houston 2.0 or not.

Also I dont agree with acquiring Arenas to play PG. I prefer we slide him to SG. A back court of Arenas and Livingston with Douglas off the bench is a solid upgrade.

Hypothetical lineup:

McGee
Lee
Chandler
Arenas
Livingston

Bench:
Gallo
Walker
Mike Miller
Douglas

Without a superstar the only way we are going to beat teams is literally run them out of the gym. Our 2n unit would be almost as deadly scoring wise as the starters.

Childs2Dudley wrote:Arenas would be the ultimate starphuck.

I would quit on this franchise if that happened.

Not to mention that a Bosh/Lee frontcourt would have those two competing for who can more graciously step out of the lane when PGs come waltzing into the paint.

No thanks.

TMS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TMS wrote:

iSergio wrote:Joe Johnson at the MAX and David Lee for $12M is a terrible offseason. We kill a lot of our cap space on two players who won't help us win many games.

you will get a lot of spin doctors around here who will say that would be a very successful outcome after all the moves to clear salary, but you won't get any arguments from me... we better land a real superstar to build around this summer or else we would have been better off not making the T-Mac trade.

thats arm chair QBing. Why stop with the JJ trade? If we dont get a star we should have kept Zach and Jamal. Jamal was scoring 20 a game and playing great under MDA. Lee and Zach were putting up good #s playing together and the Knicks were off to a good start at 6-5. Throw in a healthy Gallo, assume we still draft Douglas, maybe sign a guy like Livingston with the MLE and you have a solid team. CERTAINLY a playoff team:

PG Crawford/Douglas
SG Chandler/Livingston
SF Gallo/Walker
PF Zach
C Lee/Barron
There's your 9 man rotation. Pretty solid group. Lots of rebounding and fire power. That group is going to look pretty good rebounding the ball, pushing it up court and taking the first open look they can. You have Zach and Lee crashing the offensive boards and cleaning the glass.

the point is clearing all the big contracts and giving up stuff to do so has given us a chance to sign 2 max FAs in the best FA class ever. Its the same thing we talked about 7 years ago when Wade, Amare, Lebron, etc were in the best draft class ever. Lets firesell for a CHANCE at these guys. If we miss we miss, but shooting for a CHANCE for that kind of star is the right thing to do.

Either you believe this CHANCE is worth taking or you dont.

All this talk about Joe Johnson or what trades to make if we dont get a star is secondary. That isnt the plan. Thats what to you when what your trying for doesnt work. There are some desirable scenarios and some undesirable ones.

It doesnt really matter. It all comes down to whether or not you think this course of action was worth it.

TMS you were all for dumping Zach and Crawford's contracts. They were bad. But we werent getting a max star to come here with 3 other guys on the roster. We needed to either bring in a 2nd max guy or be able to bring back Lee and some semblance of a supporting cast. The Zach/Crawford/JJ trades all go hand in hand.

Every plan, no matter how good can fail. Its all risk reward. This plan can yield an amazing team and a star. It can yield 3-4 more years of frustration if the plan B isnt managed.

All I can say about Walsh so far is he's done what no other GM has done here in 10 years which is stick to a plan. For me he gets 3-4 years to build the team. He wants to do it through FA. OK, lets see what he gets. His moves have all been for a reason so far and really only one move has clearly been poor (Hill pick).

it ain't armchair GMing, i made my beliefs known from the very beginning... i supported the Zach & Jamal trades because we didn't have to give up any assets to unload their contracts... i thought we finally had a GM who wasn't going to cave in to ridiculous all-in type maneuvers to try & improve the roster & was finally in agreement with the plan to build up through the draft, which btw is the way most successful NBA teams tend to improve themselves over the history of the game, but i was wrong... the T-Mac trade put us all in on a starphuch dream this summer... there's no way you can paint a rosy picture to hide that fact... it's obvious... if we don't land a stud (actually 2) this summer it was a waste of a trade to make... don't give me all these possible failure scenarios & paint them like they're acceptable outcomes, cuz they're not... the only way that trade makes sense is if we land 2 max FA's this summer... that was the whole purpose in making that deal... otherwise we would have been better off holding onto our picks... i've said that from jump, this ain't no hindsight reasoning at play here.