kam77 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

kam77 wrote:For Miami, the entire purpose of trading Beas is to clear enough for a 2nd MAX slot so taking back anything but a draft pick is not happening. We can give them one of our #2 picks this year and a conditional 1 in 2014. I wouldn't offer more than that.

The entire purpose of trading purpose isnt just about a 2nd max slot. It is about moving an asset for a need. Wade's window is now not 2-3 years from now. Regardless of what some think Beasley is a coveted talent. I dont expect Riley to accept garbage for Beasley. You think David Kahn would pass on trading Al Jefferson(PF) for Michael Beasley?

Here is a hypothetical situation. Lets say Bosh gets traded to LA and Amare resigns. Now do you think Riley would prefer to overpay Boozer(29 yrs old) or try to trade for Al Jefferson(25 yrs old). Beasley is a trade asset that can be packaged with a pick depending on who they receive in return.

You dont understand. The NEED is for a 2nd max slot. A trade exception is not garbage either.

The Heat have room to sign

Wade(Max)
Free Agent(Max)
Free Agent($8mil)

Info from Kos and I revised a little here

Dwyane Wade : .....$16,830,000
Michael Beasley :....$04,962,240
James Jones : ........$01,856,000(partial guarantee amount cap hit)
Daequan Cook : ....$02,169,857
Joel Anthony : .......$00,885,120(exercises his PO)
Mario Chalmers :....$00,854,389
Slot Cap Hold : ......$00,400,000(there is 30-40k in change left over on each Slot Cap Hold)
Slot Cap Hold : ......$00,400,000
Slot Cap Hold : ......$00,400,000
Slot Cap Hold : ......$00,400,000
Slot Cap Hold : ......$00,400,000
Slot Cap Hold : ......$00,400,000
TOTAL :..................$27,557,606
SALARY CAP :.........$56,100,000
CAP ROOM :...........$25,000,000

$25mil - $16.8mil = $8mil, If Beasley is traded for non salary the Heat can add approximately $5mil to $8mil totaling approximately $13mil. But they also need to dump their first round pick to avoid 120% cap hit on the 18th pick.

kam77 wrote:If they move Beasley they will move Cook too.

How do you propose they fill out the rest of the roster? You think decent players are going to take the Vet Minimum when plenty of teams have access to the MLE.

AnubisADL wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:moving Beasley right now is selling WAAAY low.

I would say most in the NBA dont believe in him and he isnt a coveted talent. He's the same player he was last year. He just looks like a guy who has monster talent but just isnt driven. If your an NBA exec what are you giving up to trade for a guy who hasnt really improved his 2nd year, doesnt look driven and has drug issues?

Yes he's 21 and yes he's got star talent but I would say the belief leve in him right now is pretty low

Wade is 29 yrs old. Miami cannot afford to wait 2 yrs until Beasley develops. Mortgaging a teams future for the present isn't a new concept in the NBA.

As I have said before they aren't going to give him away. They will move him if they can obtain a piece that can help them win a championship now.

In his 2nd season he did not improve in any area of his game, and don't give me the age excuse. he spen his last off season in a rehab( substance abuse) center, and it shows.

wilson chandler spent last of season rehabing an injury along with Gallo, and both showed vst improvemnt during the course of the season.

What would give you any indication that bease will me much better then he is now..His age...yeah they said that about darko. What you see is what you get..a soild role player, no one's gonna give up anything more then some prospects and late picks.

Gallo played around 20 games last year. So I dont see where you are talking about this vast improvement. Please tell me how Chandler improved from last year. Stats look the same to me. He also is frequently injured. Chandler skill wise needs to work alot harder to get to where Beasley is currently.

Beasley is far from Darko status man.

vast improvement in almost every single catagory including games played
Wilson started the season horrible, by mid season he was playing better then anybody, and you did see improvement.

Im not saying beas his not a servicable player, but don't go selling the horse and carrige to get him, cause he's never going to develope into anything more then a so so player.

The #1 question is what makes you think he's going to amount to anything more then a role playrr

knicks1248 wrote:vast improvement in almost every single catagory including games played
Wilson started the season horrible, by mid season he was playing better then anybody, and you did see improvement.

Im not saying beas his not a servicable player, but don't go selling the horse and carrige to get him, cause he's never going to develope into anything more then a so so player.

The #1 question is what makes you think he's going to amount to anything more then a role playrr

Where is the vast improvement?

AnubisADL wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:vast improvement in almost every single catagory including games played
Wilson started the season horrible, by mid season he was playing better then anybody, and you did see improvement.

Im not saying beas his not a servicable player, but don't go selling the horse and carrige to get him, cause he's never going to develope into anything more then a so so player.

The #1 question is what makes you think he's going to amount to anything more then a role playrr

Where is the vast improvement?

you should know you can never tell a players worth (cough..cough David lee) by there stats.

AnubisADL wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:vast improvement in almost every single catagory including games played
Wilson started the season horrible, by mid season he was playing better then anybody, and you did see improvement.

Im not saying beas his not a servicable player, but don't go selling the horse and carrige to get him, cause he's never going to develope into anything more then a so so player.

The #1 question is what makes you think he's going to amount to anything more then a role playrr

Where is the vast improvement?

you should know you can never tell a players worth (cough..cough David lee) by there stats.

You are 110% correct. The only way you would have seen improvements from Gallo, Chandler, or Beasley would be if you actually watched games. Beasley improved from last year. He didnt make a quantum leap but he improved. Gallo and Beasley are already pretty high skill level guys. I dont expect Gallo to improve by leaps and bounds next year. I want to see consistency which is what Heat fans want to see from Beasley.

Actually I did catch a lot of heat games, if they did not have wade they would be a lottery seed, and the coach would be fired.

what are you giving up for beas??

knicks1248 wrote:Actually I did catch a lot of heat games, if they did not have wade they would be a lottery seed, and the coach would be fired.

what are you giving up for beas??

I would trade Chandler and those 2nd rounders for Beasley.

Do you think Beasley is an NBA PF? I dont think so. It isnt his fault they have Richardson and Wright.

DJMUSIC wrote:Beasley for Chandler +plus Walker ?

you gotta be crazy
Beasley though more offensively talented thant those mentioned it would be worst mistake ever for Knicks organization
He is not a need nor a fit. You cannot build a team around a 1-single dimensional guy like the talented Beasley.
At this stage Beasley isnt C.Anthony,

All in all knicks need unselfish smart players whom has a defensive stance or interests in team defense
Beasley is not a good fit for the Knicks if he cant win With Dwayne Wade what does that say about him?

So now Chandler and Walker are high IQ players? I dont think either are bad players mind you but lets not pretend they are taking this team anywhere but lottery land.

The Heat have forced Beasley to play PF when he is shorter than David Lee. Beasley isn't a bad selfish player. When your #2 pick is forced to guard PF's because you want to give guys like Richardson and Wright minutes at SF there is a problem. This is no different than how Richardson got minutes over Chandler when he was in NY. Clearly Chandler was the superior player yet scrubby Richardson somehow managed to get minutes.

It is funny how guys get labeled when they aren't utilized properly. Beasley isn't going to be a lock down defender but he isn't worse than a Carmelo Anthony was a few years ago.

Peep this. Beasley gets fouled goes to the line tonight sticks his hand out for his team mates and he gets nothing. Richardson sucked yet he played 30+ minutes. I think we know who is coaching this team and it isn't Eric. You have to question what is going on when the "coach" fields a lineup of Joel, Haslem, Richardson, Wade, and Chalmers when they are clearly lacking scoring against the Celticsn't. You telling me Beasley could have help create space for Wade?

Dwayne Wade's first year in the league was spent playing with Caron Butler and Lamar Odom. The 2nd and 3rd years he got to play with Alonzo Mourning and Shaq. Since then his team has done nothing. So of course Beasley is supposed to become Odom, Alonzo, and Shaq all rolled into one.

DJMUSIC wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:So even though Gallo and Beasley are in the same draft class Beasley is Tim Thomas and Gallo can still be DirK. Even though at the same age they put up the same stats only Beasley did it in 10 less minutes per game. Yea that makes perfect sense.

Beasley is as dumb as rocks and plays with 0 effort on the court. Have you ever heard of Derrick Coleman? All the talent in the world and he ended up being a mediocre player because he never grew up. Beasley is heading down the same path. He's not serious about himself and his career.

This whole dumb as rocks thing is getting tired. Brandon Jennings was supposedly dumb as rocks too. Dwayne Wade couldn't even play his first year of College because of his grades and I dont see people complaining about his IQ. Beasley playing with zero effort is comical. Does he coast yes but so do plenty of other young guys.

Beasley is the 2nd best player on that Heat team yet Miami could careless about Beasley's development. I have seen him literally be frozen out of the offense. Yet when the Heat lose Beasley is there whipping boy.

Why even bring up Derrick Coleman? The guy had weight issues due to his poor work ethic. He was a team cancer type of guy. Beasley could become Tim Thomas but so can Gallo so I dont really see the point.

This is dumb
now we are talking about Wade's IQ and mentioning guys like Beasley and Derrick Coleman in same breath as Dwayne Wade
I'm outta this post makes no sense no comparison

Of course it doesn't NOW. We are talking about when he was a rookie since so many can extrapolate Beasley's entire career by 2 seasons.