kam77 wrote:So you say the players aren't giving effort defensively. And you hang it on M'DA. But effort can't be coached. No coach can motivate these dead men walking.

Effort is coach based, coming up with game plans is coach based. It's up to the player to execute. If the player does the first two things then coaches are needed.

Pharzeone wrote:

kam77 wrote:So you say the players aren't giving effort defensively. And you hang it on M'DA. But effort can't be coached. No coach can motivate these dead men walking.

Effort is coach based, coming up with game plans is coach based. It's up to the player to execute. If the player does the first two things then coaches are needed.

Defensive game plans are coach based (look we have nothing to work with since the trades) but playing defense and giving effort comes from the player.

Pharzeone wrote:

kam77 wrote:So you say the players aren't giving effort defensively. And you hang it on M'DA. But effort can't be coached. No coach can motivate these dead men walking.

Effort is coach based, coming up with game plans is coach based. It's up to the player to execute. If the player does the first two things then coaches are needed.

Players who busted their arses enough just to get to the NBA should need to be coached effort. It's not up to the NBA coaches to do that. NBA coaches execute a game plan. Not defending MDA or going against him. However, the effort part is all on the players and on the guy that brought them in.

Allanfan20 wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

kam77 wrote:So you say the players aren't giving effort defensively. And you hang it on M'DA. But effort can't be coached. No coach can motivate these dead men walking.

Effort is coach based, coming up with game plans is coach based. It's up to the player to execute. If the player does the first two things then coaches are needed.

Players who busted their arses enough just to get to the NBA should need to be coached effort. It's not up to the NBA coaches to do that. NBA coaches execute a game plan. Not defending MDA or going against him. However, the effort part is all on the players and on the guy that brought them in.

I understand what you are saying but team effort and motivation has always been attributed to coaches on all levels and in all sports. It's one of the main reasons why they get fired or leave. Just because they are on the professional level it's no different. Even though I agree with what you and kam are saying about them getting paid. If you eliminate the need for them to motivate effort you are taking away from their job function. The coach selects team captain, whose responsibility is to help team motivation. Duhon is team captain and is suppose to deliver the effort message from the coach. Now if the coach chooses unwisely it is on him or her. When there is no team captain or leadership on the team, then the coach has to fill that role.

franco12 wrote:Pat Riley coached effort. As did Jeff Van Gundy. Clearly you weren't Knick fans back then. We had less talented guys, and the reason they won was effort.

D'Antoni has mailed it in. Face it. He is soft.

You talk about guys that are in walk years, and how they aren't motivated because of this.

But a coach, a good coach, would use this to his benefit.

"Larry Hughes, look, you're probably not going to be here next year. But, some team could use a player like you, and the best way for you to get your next contract is not jacking shots, but helping this team win, and that includes the small things and defense. Do that, and you'll get paid. Don't buy in and free lance, and no team is going to touch you- I guarantee it"

But our guy has gotten by with his offensive system and Steve Nash.

Really, I think MDA should probably be an assistant coach - kinda like a Tex Winters is for Phil Jackson.

Jeff and Riley had one of the most well renown workhorses in Patrick Ewing... and you claim they coached effort? Not to mention Oakly, LJ, Houston, who were pretty much all self motivated wherever they were.

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franco12 wrote:Pat Riley coached effort. As did Jeff Van Gundy. Clearly you weren't Knick fans back then. We had less talented guys, and the reason they won was effort.

D'Antoni has mailed it in. Face it. He is soft.

You talk about guys that are in walk years, and how they aren't motivated because of this.

But a coach, a good coach, would use this to his benefit.

"Larry Hughes, look, you're probably not going to be here next year. But, some team could use a player like you, and the best way for you to get your next contract is not jacking shots, but helping this team win, and that includes the small things and defense. Do that, and you'll get paid. Don't buy in and free lance, and no team is going to touch you- I guarantee it"

But our guy has gotten by with his offensive system and Steve Nash.

Really, I think MDA should probably be an assistant coach - kinda like a Tex Winters is for Phil Jackson.

Riley & JVG had these guys running sprints til their legs fell off after a pathetic loss like the one we just had the other night... i remember entire starting rotations being benched during the course of a game & an entire bench rotation being subbed in if the energy was lacking to begin a game, & that included all the veterans whether they were teacher's pet or not... there were no teacher's pets on those teams, they were all accountable for their play as individuals & brought it every night because they knew the head coach would not stand for anything less & they knew their teammates would not stand for anything less... this entire team is made up of excuse makers from top to bottom, from the GM to the head coach to the players... not one of them is accountable for their lousy play... & i'm sorry Gallo, but just coming out in the media saying how upset you are at how you played the other night don't mean jack unless you come out the night after & play like a man possessed... same goes for Toney Douglas, Sergio, D Lee, Al, Duhon & everyone else on this pathetic team... & especially for the head coach who spouts nothing but the same ol' tired BS after every loss about how they need to play with more intensity & energy but you never see the results translate on the court.

Pharzeone wrote:

tkf wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:Not for nothing but Bayless is playing well off the bench.

did you see how many times sergio blew by him?

Sorry I was too busy watching dude throw alley oop passes to the Blazers. He played well off the bench like Sergio did as I mentioned earlier in the thread.

yea, well maybe you should watch him defend, because throwing oops doesn't necessarily mean a guy is playing well, if thaat were the case then jamal crawford never had a bad game with the knicks..... but I guess it is all about perception, because I didn't think bayless played that well, maybe I should have just said that from the start.. LOL

Pharzeone wrote:

tkf wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

tkf wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:Not for nothing but Bayless is playing well off the bench.

did you see how many times sergio blew by him?

Sorry I was too busy watching dude throw alley oop passes to the Blazers. He played well off the bench like Sergio did as I mentioned earlier in the thread.

yea, well maybe you should watch him defend, because throwing oops doesn't necessarily mean a guy is playing well, if thaat were the case then jamal crawford never had a bad game with the knicks..... but I guess it is all about perception, because I didn't think bayless played that well, maybe I should have just said that from the start.. LOL

Yeah, his defense on Sergio was bad but I thought he did a very good job on Douglas and stayed in his face alot. I thought he had a good game as well as Batum who I like even better.

I think batum is the best of the younger players they have.. he and gallo played against each other overseas from what I heard.. Like most young players batum is inconsistent, he can be a good defensive player who can hit the three, but has a lot to work on with his game.. if they develop him properly in portland he can be a real good player.. Not sure what portland has planned for him, but I watch a lot of blazers games and they don't let him do a whole lot at this point...of late it seems as if they have been camping him out at the three point line a bit..