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3/8/2010  12:08 PM
fishmike wrote:its awsome. Pre-trade Hill = massive miskate and bust. Post-trade Hill = player we mismanged and cant live without

I think people werer pretty split on Hill as a choice. The issue regarding him was why wasn't he receiving playing time as a lottery pick on a team going nowhere loaded with expiring contracts.
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3/8/2010  12:11 PM
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Knicksfan wrote:Cosmic, you know that if it was Hill for a chance at Bosh, thats a no-brainer. But when you sum up everything we gave up for that chance at Lebron and Bosh, when nothing is written and if the plan fails we are left extremely empty-handed, things are different. Lebron and Bosh stay put and suddenly this trade will be another horrible one for the Knicks.

The funny thing is that if this team would have drafted Bosh. Cosmic probably be talking about how he is a scrub because he didn't show anything right off the bat so it was ok to just give up on him. So why would should we cry since he have a chance at signing a K-Mart to a max contract instead of developing this lanky kid. I remember when Knick fans were complaining about cap space for crap like that.

Not true.

Bosh actually showed skill as a rookie.

Hill's a bum.

Absolutely amazed at how many people are flat out crying over this turd.

Jordan Hill. This is what we've been reduced to as a result of years of losing. Crying over Jordan Hill. A scruboliscious hack of a bum.

Good GOD we have fallen.

Knicks without Jordan Hill: 20 wins.
Knicks with Jordan Hill starting and playing 40mpg: 20 wins.

But, cry we do, over a bum ass mess of a player. Fascinating. Kind of in an explosive diarrhea kind of way.

Jordan freakin Hill. I just can't believe how much whining and crying is done over a career 9th man....at his peak.

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3/8/2010  12:14 PM
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ROFL at the part in bold... my man cos.. you are on a roll... I understand what you are saying and you have some valid points. I guess fans are tired of us trading assets in what seems to be unecessary or lopsided deals.. Listen we had enough room to sign a max free agent regardless if we got rid of jeffries or not... I know many would have been happy to roll with that, let curry and
jeffries expire next year or trade them at the deadline, and look to add another player from the 2011 FA pool.... I am sure most would rather do that, than give up a player i hill, who was our 8th pick before we saw what he could really do. And the picks on top of that just seemed like a bit much.. that's all....

Yeah dumping assets is never a good thing...and we paid a high price in that last trade. But it may prove to have been essential.

All we can do is hope for the best. If we get the best nobody is going to care about the 2011 swap or Jordan hill.

If we DONT score? Well, there will be an uproar, but I am in the thinking that regardless we had to try. We did so poorly the past decade we had to try. And dumping Jeffries/Hill and their nearly 10M salary might prove to be the difference.

If it is, nobody will have anything to say about it.

If it isn't, then, yeah in HINDSIGHT it was a bad move.

But we HAD TO TRY. And for that I'm fine with it regardless of the outcome.

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3/8/2010  12:17 PM
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Cosmic--when you watch that video--does he look like a guy who could possibly be pretty darn good one day? He looks big athletic he's got good body control touch active looks like he knows how to play --how does someone come to conclusion this guy scks before he is given a chance? I mean watch the tape

Still looked like the same backup player we dumped to me.

Do we know what he will be in the end? No, we don't. Yet we do know one thing: He will never be a star in this league. We know another thing: This team has been a mess for years because it had no star....and dumping Hill gave us the chance to land star players.

We had to try and we did.

If we fail miserably I don't see how anyone would go back and think "OMG we dumped Hill." as if he were to be our savior. Like he was Patrick Ewing all over again.

Dude's a mediocre player. You drop mediocre players at a chance to sign franchise cornerstones.

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3/8/2010  12:18 PM
What is it about Jordan Hill for you to just write him off. He wants to play in the post, he wants to defend in the POST and get rebounds. I just don't get it. Oh and there were Knick fans complaining about not having cap space to give guys like K-Mart a max contract. Early on Bosh was described as an athletic lanky kid that can shoot from the outside. But he was given a chance much like Alderman is now going to give Hill a chance to prove his worth in the league.
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3/8/2010  12:23 PM
Pharzeone wrote:What is it about Jordan Hill for you to just write him off. He wants to play in the post, he wants to defend in the POST and get rebounds. I just don't get it. Oh and there were Knick fans complaining about not having cap space to give guys like K-Mart a max contract. Early on Bosh was described as an athletic lanky kid that can shoot from the outside. But he was given a chance much like Alderman is now going to give Hill a chance to prove his worth in the league.

Cause he's nothing special?

That's why I wrote him off.

What is the fascination with him? What did he do that I missed that has a couple of fans ready to punt babies into traffic over his being traded?

I just don't see it.

You'd think we just gave up on a rookie Michael Jordan for christ sake.


ITS JORDAN F'IN HILL. It's not WILT CHAIMBERLAIN. ITS NOT TIM DUNCAN. But you'd think it was.

I just don't get it...and I don't see it...and it confuses me to see people irate over dumping the bum and his potential NON-MAX-FA-LURING contract.

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3/8/2010  12:25 PM
I dont know, I didnt see anything in that highlight package that was terribly impressive. A healthy chunk of his points were point black dimes from Brooks that anybody with a pulse could have scored with. His skill set to this point still screams role player.

That said, I just dont know what to think of D'ivatoni and Walsh. Why did they park Hill on the bench and essentially throw in a lottery pick in a deal? Did they maximize their asset? Did they evaluate and develop this raw talent? Are they comfortable with the job they did with the 8th pick and the player selected?

THEY BETTER PULL SOMETHING OUT OF THEIR ASS THIS OFFSEASON. AND IT BETTER BE GOOD. I'M NOT TRYING TO HEAR THIS B.S ABOUT 2011 OR BEYOND. ITS PUT UP OR SHUT UP. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

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3/8/2010  12:31 PM
Cosmic wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:


Cosmic--when you watch that video--does he look like a guy who could possibly be pretty darn good one day? He looks big athletic he's got good body control touch active looks like he knows how to play --how does someone come to conclusion this guy scks before he is given a chance? I mean watch the tape

Still looked like the same backup player we dumped to me.

Do we know what he will be in the end? No, we don't. Yet we do know one thing: He will never be a star in this league. We know another thing: This team has been a mess for years because it had no star....and dumping Hill gave us the chance to land star players.

We had to try and we did.

If we fail miserably I don't see how anyone would go back and think "OMG we dumped Hill." as if he were to be our savior. Like he was Patrick Ewing all over again.

Dude's a mediocre player. You drop mediocre players at a chance to sign franchise cornerstones.

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Repeating it over and over is not going to make it a fact.
Fact: Houston insisted on Hill being part of the trade. I trust Morey's talent judgement on big men over anybody else.

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3/8/2010  12:31 PM
Seb. Doesn't it bother you that the guy got his career highs on the team that he was just traded to? If you listen to MDA you would think the guy was taking the short bus to games because he couldn't do this or he couldn't do that. He wasn't running around the three point line trying to hoist up 17 footers like he was on this team. It's amazing what a player can do with real coaching.
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3/8/2010  12:39 PM
Pharzeone wrote:Seb. Doesn't it bother you that the guy got his career highs on the team that he was just traded to? If you listen to MDA you would think the guy was taking the short bus to games because he couldn't do this or he couldn't do that. He wasn't running around the three point line trying to hoist up 17 footers like he was on this team. It's amazing what a player can do with real coaching.

I am very disturbed by this regime. Straight up, I dont like Walsh or D'ivatoni and the job they've done. Yeah, the situation they entered wasnt ideal, but have they really done anything since they've been here that could be considered a success? Maybe one or two things, but the mistake/success ledger is looking ugly.

Hey. This is a results-oriented business. I want high-impact, big time talent on this team next year. No bullshyt, no excuses, no throwing players under the bus, no naps....none of it. I WANT A SQUAD THAT I AND THE CITY OF NY CAN BE PROUD OF IN THE 2010/2011 SEASON!

That loss to the Nets was my lowest point as a sports fan in as long as I can remember. These a-holes, better get it together.

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3/8/2010  12:49 PM
Cosmic wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:What is it about Jordan Hill for you to just write him off. He wants to play in the post, he wants to defend in the POST and get rebounds. I just don't get it. Oh and there were Knick fans complaining about not having cap space to give guys like K-Mart a max contract. Early on Bosh was described as an athletic lanky kid that can shoot from the outside. But he was given a chance much like Alderman is now going to give Hill a chance to prove his worth in the league.

Cause he's nothing special?

That's why I wrote him off.

What is the fascination with him? What did he do that I missed that has a couple of fans ready to punt babies into traffic over his being traded?

I just don't see it.

You'd think we just gave up on a rookie Michael Jordan for christ sake.


ITS JORDAN F'IN HILL. It's not WILT CHAIMBERLAIN. ITS NOT TIM DUNCAN. But you'd think it was.

I just don't get it...and I don't see it...and it confuses me to see people irate over dumping the bum and his potential NON-MAX-FA-LURING contract.


Cosmic--do you ever make posts like this before the move is made---in retrospect--does it sound like I know a little bit about what I am talking about? I never killed Jordan Hill--it was fair pick from my perspective--not my pick but not a bad pick--a guy who deserved PT.

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I don't think we are getting Curry--and I still think the absolute best plan of action is take Tyreke Evans 8 and do what we can to get a second pick for B J Mullens. It might not be the most popular plan with some people here--but I think it's the best plan--I really do. If Curry and Evans are gone--I think I would be concentrating on trading down and getting rid of Jefferies.

I *would* be willing to MOVE up to get EITHER Evans or Curry if the price is right with Washington.

To me Tyere is one of the most ready players in this draft--when they moved him to PG at Memphis they won 25 games in a row and while he is not a pure PG--hes easily the BP possibly available at 8 or maybe even 5--and what do we need most? Good players.

Jordan Hill Holiday or whoever else--these guys arent in Evans class. Evans is a legit 6-5+ 221 with long arms and a great handle

I think use just have to use common sense some times when doing these things . To me Evans --after watching that Memphis Mizz game cemented in my mind just how good this kid could be in up tempo.
If people dont like him because he is not a pure PG--the Knicks should take advantage of him being the best player BY FAR who could be available at 8 or possibly 5. And it will become APPARENT right away--day 1 SL just how good Tyreke Evans is.
And using common sense I go to Mullens next--if everyone thinks this draft scks---lets do what we can to get this kid with a second draft pick. Im not worried about developmental time--Im focused on talent--this is a 7-1 260 athletic C who can run the floor with some xcellent offensive skills who can play off the bench NOW--I don't want a 6-9 215 pound pseudo C--I want a C after 10 frikin years.

Id be a buyer in this draft if I could get what I wanted--if I could get Evans Mullens and Derrick Brown--to me I think we wouldve had a coup. Id spend the money if Im the Knicks.

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3/8/2010  12:59 PM
Cosmic wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:What is it about Jordan Hill for you to just write him off. He wants to play in the post, he wants to defend in the POST and get rebounds. I just don't get it. Oh and there were Knick fans complaining about not having cap space to give guys like K-Mart a max contract. Early on Bosh was described as an athletic lanky kid that can shoot from the outside. But he was given a chance much like Alderman is now going to give Hill a chance to prove his worth in the league.

Cause he's nothing special?

That's why I wrote him off.

What is the fascination with him? What did he do that I missed that has a couple of fans ready to punt babies into traffic over his being traded?

I just don't see it.

You'd think we just gave up on a rookie Michael Jordan for christ sake.


ITS JORDAN F'IN HILL. It's not WILT CHAIMBERLAIN. ITS NOT TIM DUNCAN. But you'd think it was.

I just don't get it...and I don't see it...and it confuses me to see people irate over dumping the bum and his potential NON-MAX-FA-LURING contract.


hahahahaha.. cos, you crazy man... LOL....

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3/8/2010  1:12 PM
i would have liked to have seen more of the kid when he was here. same for td. if hill fails in hou --> walsh messed up by drafting him. if hill is a guy who can give you 20mins, mike screwed up, and walsh did cuz you would hope for more from a lotto pick.
still, the point isnt hill, its 7/1/2010... i sure hope the table they have set gets the dinner guests they really want.

who doesnt already know all this though? if they get lbj, all the trades leading up to this point wont be looked at poorly (well maybe a few folks will). if the score some lame talent, folks will be bringing torches to msg. this has been the case since the trade deadline (heck, i said it that night).

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3/8/2010  2:17 PM
Add a block and those are the numbers Camby will put up next year for the 60 games he plays.
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3/8/2010  2:19 PM
morey said he expects some FA's to go to teams via sign and trade. even tho the rockets are playing decently, putting hill into the rotation right now could be done for the sole purpose of pumping up his value in a potential sign and trade in the summer. rockets have to engineer an S&T to get guys this summer, so building up an asset can only help them despite them wanting to win games as well.
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3/8/2010  2:23 PM
djsunyc wrote:morey said he expects some FA's to go to teams via sign and trade. even tho the rockets are playing decently, putting hill into the rotation right now could be done for the sole purpose of pumping up his value in a potential sign and trade in the summer. rockets have to engineer an S&T to get guys this summer, so building up an asset can only help them despite them wanting to win games as well.

That was the rumor before the trading deadline about them and Toronto for Bosh. I just couldn't think of what they would have to offer Toronto.

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3/8/2010  2:35 PM
morey is going to make a major push for bosh. so if he wants to sign there, hill and those knicks picks will be going back to toronto in the package.
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3/8/2010  2:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/8/2010  2:40 PM
BRIGGS wrote:


Cosmic--do you ever make posts like this before the move is made---in retrospect--does it sound like I know a little bit about what I am talking about?


Yes, I do and probably did.

If I end up wrong, fine, I end up wrong, and got not problem owning up to it. This isn't a pride thing.

It's about a mediocre player that gets so much air time you'd think we traded a three time champion. That's all.

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3/8/2010  2:39 PM
tkf wrote:

hahahahaha.. cos, you crazy man... LOL....

I'm nuts. No debating that.

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djsunyc wrote:morey is going to make a major push for bosh. so if he wants to sign there, hill and those knicks picks will be going back to toronto in the package.

That would be the ultimate scrw job.

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